That doesnt even make sense.

 

yeah, but me personally.. i just sit in the car for 3 mins and call it a day

 

water cooled turbo's vs oil cooled turbo's.. it was one of the selling points that won over some owners instead of the Greddy Kit

 

Oh. well for me that's a moot point. my alarm has a intergrated turbo timer. press a button and them arm the alarm and you're off. car shuts off in 2 minutes. no more waiting around.

 

From a former owner of one HELL NO! APS makes decent stuff but until they get competent customer service in the states I suggest no one buying anything from them. TN has its issues but the for make up for this in CS

 

I'm happy with my Single Turbo setup. At the time, a TT kit was totally out of the question which had me looking at supercharger setups. When the ST kits hit the market they were a perfect medium. Now I realize that I dont' really NEED more power in my car as I'm not a hardcore racer type. As long as my motor holds up, I'm totally happy with around 400 to the wheels.

 

That isn't the reason why these other kits are water cooled. The real reason is that on a dual ball bearing turbo, it would totally melt down/self destruct without some sort of water cooling. On traditional turbochargers and ceramic ball bearing turbos, this is not a problem.

No cooldown required and higher water temps are just a biproduct of the necessity of water cooling on these dual ball bearing turbos.

 

I dont understand why ppl get pissed at APS for "poor customer service." Perhaps some manufacturers excel at this, but why would you expect customer service from the product maker? If I have issues with my APS setup, I would call GRD and have THEM figure out the problem and do my legwork. There is no way I would call the actual manufacturer for ANYTHING unless I bought directly from them. I never even would consider it. When I had issues with some wheels a few years ago, I contacted the vendor who helped me resolve the issue, not the company in Japan. Anyways, this is just my opinion.

 

true i agree 100% with that. however when your shop or tuner can not get in touch with them, or parts take 3 years to get delivered then it can be a pain in the ***

 

Well, if you look at it from another standpoint of "Why shouldn't we expect this from a product manufacturer" it might make a little sense. Overseas companies have us trained pretty well, eh?

The big difference between, APS, Greddy, etc and Turbonetics is that one is located here in the US. This makes it a lot easier to warranty parts directly. It's also a good reason to buy from them as your money is staying here in the good ole US of A.

And no, I'm not trying to make this an APS vs TN thing. As long as the problem is fixed in either case, for either kit, it doesn't really matter who did the leg work.

 

again i agree with you. it is always an aps vs the world thing

 

So which TT kit do you suggest? If the APS ST isn't so good, can their TT kit be better?

 

IMO the APS TT kit is the only way to go turbo...be it single or twins

I fully agree with Phunk....go TT or don't go turbo at all

The ST kits seem to cause more problems than anything else

 

I'll have to disagree with you there. Mine has worked with basically no strings attached. For what I paid for this setup compared to a TT kit, I am more than happy with my results.

 

LOL! the JWT twins have it all over the aps setup. The JWT setup looks better, spools faster, and the customer service is far better.

 

APS Kit is only good if you wanted an out of the box no modification twin turbo kit..

after you start buying other EMS, down pipes, fuel systems.. the Greddy Kit puts the APS Kit to shame...

 

i am just telling you what the fan boys told me why they went with APS over Greddy

 

Thanks for everyone's imput

i did not mean to start a heated conversation. just asking everyones honest opinion that i take into consideration

yes i am college student..that doesnt have alot of $$$$$$
so i thought APS kit, sound reasonably expensive. and good kit with add ons here and there..

i did look at the APS TT kit..kind of pricey, but still keeping it in mind

i dont want too much power, since its a daily driver, 400 will be plenty fine..

 

you say that now...I've heard many people say that they'd be happy with 350-380whp, but then they later start talking about spending big bucks to reach 500+ pretty soon

 

heated conversation always follows any questions regarding FI options here.