APS single TUrbo? yes or no
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Originally Posted by taurran
I'm happy with my Single Turbo setup. At the time, a TT kit was totally out of the question which had me looking at supercharger setups. When the ST kits hit the market they were a perfect medium. Now I realize that I dont' really NEED more power in my car as I'm not a hardcore racer type. As long as my motor holds up, I'm totally happy with around 400 to the wheels.
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Thanks for everyone's imput
i did not mean to start a heated conversation. just asking everyones honest opinion that i take into consideration
yes i am college student..that doesnt have alot of $$$$$$
so i thought APS kit, sound reasonably expensive. and good kit with add ons here and there..
i did look at the APS TT kit..kind of pricey, but still keeping it in mind
i dont want too much power, since its a daily driver, 400 will be plenty fine..
i did not mean to start a heated conversation. just asking everyones honest opinion that i take into consideration
yes i am college student..that doesnt have alot of $$$$$$
so i thought APS kit, sound reasonably expensive. and good kit with add ons here and there..
i did look at the APS TT kit..kind of pricey, but still keeping it in mind
i dont want too much power, since its a daily driver, 400 will be plenty fine..
To be said maybe you should def. wait till after college before taking the plunge into boost. I look back and wish I wouldn't have waited till my Z was paid off before boosting.
And spend the time searching/reading/learning from all the available threads... There is alot of good info and experience within the threads.
Also I have seen the APS single in person, and have read/heard the issues with the kit. I was not impressed by the kit, and even more turned off by the problems (holding boost, oil collecting in strange places, and terrible customer service).
While the Turbonetics Kit is very nice looking and you can get the Tuner Kit with supporting mods (fuel pump, injectors, Engine Management) and be in really good shape along with great customer service.
When you have some time I would suggest you give Sharif@Forgedperformance a visit. He has done set-ups for customers like yourself still in school and wanting to have a safe reliable boosted car (APS, Greddy, HKS, Vortech, Turbonetics, JWT, etc)
-Jonathan-
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Originally Posted by chimmike
LOL! the JWT twins have it all over the aps setup. The JWT setup looks better, spools faster, and the customer service is far better.
As much as I love the JWT kit it is clearly lacking a few things. Unless I add those things to the setup I wouldn't feel safe driving around with the kit
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Originally Posted by doug
APS Kit is only good if you wanted an out of the box no modification twin turbo kit..
after you start buying other EMS, down pipes, fuel systems.. the Greddy Kit puts the APS Kit to shame...
after you start buying other EMS, down pipes, fuel systems.. the Greddy Kit puts the APS Kit to shame...
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Originally Posted by taurran
I'll have to disagree with you there. Mine has worked with basically no strings attached. For what I paid for this setup compared to a TT kit, I am more than happy with my results.
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Originally Posted by zman1910
LOL!! your gonna get a kit bc it looks better!(stupid statement) Not to mention no fuel return, using stock injectors, and an outdated fuel management system. Thats actually kinda funny and it shows just how much you know. Sure it spools faster and I dont know how you can judge customer service when there aren't that many kits out there to begin with. Once again the APS TT is the most complete kit you can get out of the box - that is all I'm trying to say.
Besides, this "complete kit" BS that is so popular is almost unheard of in the aftermarket FI world. Most people that don't own 350z's would be more comfortable building their own setup than leaving it to a manufacturer to put in the lowest cost components and calling it "complete". This is just another fallacy perpetuated by certain manufacturer marketing schemes in this community.
I have no doubt that JWT knows more about these cars than any other shop in the US, if not abroad. Saying that the JWT kit is not complete is just ignorant. It serves its purpose well, and to my knowledge still is the "safest" TT kit on the market with no blown motors to date (that we've heard of, at least).
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Originally Posted by zman1910
Couldn't be happier for you and I hope your kit continues to provide many years of enjoyment
The turbonetics kit just happens my goals and budget just right.
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Originally Posted by taurran
This is just another fallacy perpetuated by certain manufacturer marketing schemes in this community.
Lots of smart sounding words in that there sentance.
Taurran, what mods do you have other than the TN single and exhaust? I've read alot of your threads, and I can't recall any other bolt-ons. You're making really good power for the reflash from what I have seen.
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Originally Posted by zman1910
LOL!! your gonna get a kit bc it looks better!(stupid statement) Not to mention no fuel return, using stock injectors, and an outdated fuel management system. Thats actually kinda funny and it shows just how much you know. Sure it spools faster and I dont know how you can judge customer service when there aren't that many kits out there to begin with. Once again the APS TT is the most complete kit you can get out of the box - that is all I'm trying to say.
As much as I love the JWT kit it is clearly lacking a few things. Unless I add those things to the setup I wouldn't feel safe driving around with the kit
As much as I love the JWT kit it is clearly lacking a few things. Unless I add those things to the setup I wouldn't feel safe driving around with the kit
I dwouldn't down JWT's kit
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Originally Posted by taurran
Actually, I'd be willing to bet Chimmike knows much more about this than most here. He's actually very knowledgable when it comes to turbochargers.
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Originally Posted by taurran
I have no doubt that JWT knows more about these cars than any other shop in the US, if not abroad. Saying that the JWT kit is not complete is just ignorant. It serves its purpose well, and to my knowledge still is the "safest" TT kit on the market with no blown motors to date (that we've heard of, at least).
Given this guys scenario I think if you want an out of the box solution the APS TT's are the way too go, without having to upgrade anything. You don't have to do what I will be doing to the JWT kit but as I said before I wouldn't feel safe leaving it be
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Originally Posted by zman1910
And I dont doubt that he does....however I dont think good looks is at the top of most peoples list
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Originally Posted by dutchboy
Lots of smart sounding words in that there sentance.
Taurran, what mods do you have other than the TN single and exhaust? I've read alot of your threads, and I can't recall any other bolt-ons. You're making really good power for the reflash from what I have seen.
Taurran, what mods do you have other than the TN single and exhaust? I've read alot of your threads, and I can't recall any other bolt-ons. You're making really good power for the reflash from what I have seen.
That's about as far as I want to take it with the reflash. I'll be looking at the 1.5 kit, a custom tune, and a clutch/flywheel setup to run a more conservative street tune in the near future.
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Originally Posted by doug
water cooled turbo's vs oil cooled turbo's.. it was one of the selling points that won over some owners instead of the Greddy Kit
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Originally Posted by DMK
Which kit comes more complete, faster spooling, reliable and has more potential - TN ST or APS ST? Which kit has blown more motors?
Faster spooling - I'd say about the same
Reliability - thats a toss up - lots of factors come into play(tune, install)
Blown motors - TN but they have also sold many more kits. Just do some research and see why any of these kits have failed. 99% of the time its due to some type of negligence on the owners behalf
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Originally Posted by taurran
I have no doubt that JWT knows more about these cars than any other shop in the US, if not abroad. Saying that the JWT kit is not complete is just ignorant. It serves its purpose well, and to my knowledge still is the "safest" TT kit on the market with no blown motors to date (that we've heard of, at least).
i bet you any money in the world if JWT opens up his kit to every Tom dick and harry in the US you will find more blown kits..
Look at Noah's car.. poor work done and his motor was almost blown... you guys keep buying into that whole JWT bullsh!t..
let me tell you something.. a survey can provide you with whatever results if you control the test bed to how you want your results to reflect..
and the JWT Kit getting CARB approval.. yeah.. hold your breath on that one
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
While I agree that looks aren't the only thing to factor in some people do think about their investment and what it looks like under the hood. If I produced a part that made 150 WHP and did a wonderful job at it but looked like a complete POS would everyone buy it? Prolly not. As far as the JWT argument I agree with taurran that a lot of people simply repeat what someone else told them. The fact remains that no other company on the market (aside from Nismo Japan) has been making parts for Nissans longer then Jim Wolf. The guys has decades of time doing Nissan development and is far smarter then any of us on this board. Hell I remember a time when JWT introduced ECU controlled Nitrous injection for the older Nissans. Everyone doubted them then but as usual the system worked like a charm and is still what I would use if I had an older Max. While it may not be conventional his fuel system works and aparentely works well. Several track cars can attest to that. Jim Wolf is not in the habit of producing products that blow up peoples car or are incapable of the target parameters they are designed for. I would put him and Clark up against Peter and George any day of the week. For those new to Nissans JWT may just be another name. For those that have been around for a while JWT is almost a household brand. Granted there are things I personally don't like about the kit but those are my opinions and I'm sure if I brought them up to Jim or Clark I'd get my @ss handed to me in a well versed engineering reply. My personal perference should be obvious by now to everyone. I think Jhame and Turbonetics are topnotch engineers and know their stuff. Fmax was also a pretty common name before Turbonetics bought them out. My main point is that just because someone departs from the beaten path doesn't mean their choice is unsafe or won't work. These guys know what they are doing and have been doing it for a very long time with great success.
thats funny... JWT blew up Loren's SuperCharged Maxima because they tuned his ECU for N/A instead of his 3.12 Pulley Setup
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Originally Posted by doug
of course its not.. its only offered by the top Tuners and installers in the country..
i bet you any money in the world if JWT opens up his kit to every Tom dick and harry in the US you will find more blown kits..
Look at Noah's car.. poor work done and his motor was almost blown... you guys keep buying into that whole JWT bullsh!t..
let me tell you something.. a survey can provide you with whatever results if you control the test bed to how you want your results to reflect..
and the JWT Kit getting CARB approval.. yeah.. hold your breath on that one
i bet you any money in the world if JWT opens up his kit to every Tom dick and harry in the US you will find more blown kits..
Look at Noah's car.. poor work done and his motor was almost blown... you guys keep buying into that whole JWT bullsh!t..
let me tell you something.. a survey can provide you with whatever results if you control the test bed to how you want your results to reflect..
and the JWT Kit getting CARB approval.. yeah.. hold your breath on that one
As far as the JWT debate, I was mainly pointing out the fact that comparing its "completeness" vs the APS kit is arguable. Both kits handle power quite well and are aimed at slightly different target audiences.
I'm afraid you missed the point of my last post. You're very much preaching to the choir here...
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Originally Posted by doug
thats funny... JWT blew up Loren's SuperCharged Maxima because they tuned his ECU for N/A instead of his 3.12 Pulley Setup