APS single TUrbo? yes or no
10-17-2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Same can be said for the APS kits. One big reason why they haven't had as many blown motors is that they regulate who is actually doing the install work.
10-17-2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
thats funny... JWT blew up Loren's SuperCharged Maxima because they tuned his ECU for N/A instead of his 3.12 Pulley Setup
Cause there was some really good exmaples of JWT ECU tuning in Shaggy's 200SX
I just can not understand how every single turbo thread turn into the ols TN vs APS vs JWT thread..Its really getting lame..
10-17-2006, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by zman1910
Wow! That I did not know...interesting to say the least
Careful doug, you're dangerously approaching APS-fan levels of hate.
10-17-2006, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Not true, ther kits can be purchased and installed by ones self..
10-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
It's all a part of the APS quality control process that makes perfect sense from a marketing standpoint.
10-17-2006, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
doug is a new breed of hardcore Greddy fanboys. I'm sensing some sincere hate towards everyone with a non-greddy setup lately.
Careful doug, you're dangerously approaching APS-fan levels of hate.
Careful doug, you're dangerously approaching APS-fan levels of hate.
the JWT Kit despite what VRT and their hamsters are doing to them... once you start going over 400 rwhp.. i dunno..
the Greddy Kit to ME .. is the best Tuner Twin Turbo Kit on the market.. look at some of the owners? BamBam, Berto, Phunk, Sharif, Jeremey and a couple other names i can't remember who are pushing big numbers... I remember the silver Z from TX that is pushing over 600.. he has that animated sig.. that other guy with the black Z w/ black rims pushing high hp...
Greddy Kit w/ Built Motor and corresponding upgrades is just ****ing amazing
10-17-2006, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
some of you guys forget or don't know i have been around VQ engines since 1997 when i first bought my 95 Maxima..
10-17-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
And how many APS kits that were shop installed VS self installed had issues..Very very few..You can not argue that APS's engineering goes above and beyond what is included in every other kit on the market, including the $7800 JWT kit that uses stock injectors and a Kenny Bell style booster pump for fuel..keep in mind the sole purpose of that shortcut is to pass carb, not to be designed to actually work flawlessly for years..
If you want to talk true completeness, then any tuner kit on the market is more complete than the APS kit because the buyer can match their own quality fuel system and EMS to match their needs. Basically, this term "complete" is a marketing tool invented by APS and their dealers to give people the false impression that all other kits are sub-par. That, and the idea of a "complete" turbo kit is ultimately flawed unless there is absolutely no expense spared (the aps extreme kit actually achieves this from what I've seen).
You, as an APS dealer, shoudln't even be taking part in these discussions, as you have a personal monetary stake in the image of APS marketing hype and reputation. You really have no place in these forum discussions which should remain objective, as your paycheck relies on the kit you're hyping up.
JWT is not about taking shortcuts. They're about building a kit to meet certain standards and goals, and they have achieved that. You should quit trying to downplay this, you're only making yourself look like an elitist jerk in the process.
10-17-2006, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
You, as an APS dealer, shoudln't even be taking part in these discussions, as you have a personal monetary stake in the image of APS marketing hype and reputation. You really have no place in these forum discussions which should remain objective, as your paycheck relies on the kit you're hyping up.
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and i never heard the word APS come out of his mouth once
10-17-2006, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
he installed and tuned my Greddy TT and i never heard the word APS come out of his mouth once
and i never heard the word APS come out of his mouth once
10-17-2006, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
At that point your money was already spent, no reason scaring you off by pushing APS if there was install money to be had. I can guarantee if you were still deciding on a kit to buy you would have heard "APS" many times.
or are you implying that i bought the kit and brought it there? the Greddy Warehouse is 5 mins from the Shop... he bought the kit i never saw the kit until it was installed in the car..
So if Julian wanted to "push" APS or persude me to buy APS he had more than enough time to do so.. and the day i drop my car off.. there were two cars in the shop.. and both of them had TN kits... amazing huh? There is also a guy from NYC with a TN Kit i think his name is Vantage.. its a Redline Z with black rims.. he has a TN kit... i am pretty sure Julian didn't push APS on him either
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10-17-2006, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
I can argue that. Slapping an archaic EMS, quasi-fuel return system, on an internal wastegate setup and then adding a self-proclaimed "most complete" marketing tag on the system is hardly what I call superior engineering. Don't get me wrong, it does serve its purpose.
If you want to talk true completeness, then any tuner kit on the market is more complete than the APS kit because the buyer can match their own quality fuel system and EMS to match their needs. Basically, this term "complete" is a marketing tool invented by APS and their dealers to give people the false impression that all other kits are sub-par. That, and the idea of a "complete" turbo kit is ultimately flawed unless there is absolutely no expense spared (the aps extreme kit actually achieves this from what I've seen).
You, as an APS dealer, shoudln't even be taking part in these discussions, as you have a personal monetary stake in the image of APS marketing hype and reputation. You really have no place in these forum discussions which should remain objective, as your paycheck relies on the kit you're hyping up.
JWT is not about taking shortcuts. They're about building a kit to meet certain standards and goals, and they have achieved that. You should quit trying to downplay this, you're only making yourself look like an elitist jerk in the process.
If you want to talk true completeness, then any tuner kit on the market is more complete than the APS kit because the buyer can match their own quality fuel system and EMS to match their needs. Basically, this term "complete" is a marketing tool invented by APS and their dealers to give people the false impression that all other kits are sub-par. That, and the idea of a "complete" turbo kit is ultimately flawed unless there is absolutely no expense spared (the aps extreme kit actually achieves this from what I've seen).
You, as an APS dealer, shoudln't even be taking part in these discussions, as you have a personal monetary stake in the image of APS marketing hype and reputation. You really have no place in these forum discussions which should remain objective, as your paycheck relies on the kit you're hyping up.
JWT is not about taking shortcuts. They're about building a kit to meet certain standards and goals, and they have achieved that. You should quit trying to downplay this, you're only making yourself look like an elitist jerk in the process.
Second, the APS TT kit, or ST kit is by far the most comprehensive and complete all in one kit on the market, and the number of blown engines and logged problem free miles speak for my argument..Do some research and you will find that Greddy,TN, Procharger,and Vortech have probably claimed more motors thus far, than APS kit's..This track record speaks for itself..
Greddy, comes with an archaic EMS system, and not even a Quasi return fuel system as does Turbonetics, that includes a Baind aid reflash of an ecu and undersized injectors and not even a Quasi Return fuel system at that!!
Your argument is flawed and your facts are incorrect, do some more research..
10-17-2006, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
Silly Boy..
Sorry couldn't resist...
Originally Posted by doug
i had to call him first and talk to him before i knew where to send the money... he listened to what i wanted and got what i wanted..
or are you implying that i bought the kit and brought it there? the Greddy Warehouse is 5 mins from the Shop... he bought the kit i never saw the kit until it was installed in the car..
So if Julian wanted to "push" APS or persude me to buy APS he had more than enough time to do so.. and the day i drop my car off.. there were two cars in the shop.. and both of them had TN kits... amazing huh? There is also a guy from NYC with a TN Kit i think his name is Vantage.. its a Redline Z with black rims.. he has a TN kit... i am pretty sure Julian didn't push APS on him either
or are you implying that i bought the kit and brought it there? the Greddy Warehouse is 5 mins from the Shop... he bought the kit i never saw the kit until it was installed in the car..
So if Julian wanted to "push" APS or persude me to buy APS he had more than enough time to do so.. and the day i drop my car off.. there were two cars in the shop.. and both of them had TN kits... amazing huh? There is also a guy from NYC with a TN Kit i think his name is Vantage.. its a Redline Z with black rims.. he has a TN kit... i am pretty sure Julian didn't push APS on him either
But, you'll never convince me that a dealer can spend tens of thousands of dollars to become an authorized dealer for the turbo kit with the highest profit margin in the business and not be biased towards that particular setup. I don't care how friendly they've been in their person, they're in it to make money and that's what comes first (which I totally understand).
10-17-2006, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Sorry couldn't resist...
Thanks for that story, but these guys CERTAINLY push these kits hard here on the site. Its good to know that they aren't so pushy in person (I've heard they aren't so bad in person), but in any case I think it would be bad for business to attempt to push another kit on someone who has already made up their mind which route they want to go. I'm assuming these people came to the shop with their mind set on a particular setup, and MRC does have the piece of mind not to drive away the customer by being TOO pushy in person.
But, you'll never convince me that a dealer can spend tens of thousands of dollars to become an authorized dealer for the turbo kit with the highest profit margin in the business and not be biased towards that particular setup. I don't care how friendly they've been in their person, they're in it to make money and that's what comes first (which I totally understand).
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
You seem to have an obvious contempt for me so my reply will be brief... First off We sell APS, Greddy, Turbonetics,Procharger, ect ect..Basically we sell the customer what THEY want, unlike most shops that sell them stuff they do not need.
Second, the APS TT kit, or ST kit is by far the most comprehensive and complete all in one kit on the market, and the number of blown engines and logged problem free miles speak for my argument..Do some research and you will find that Greddy,TN, Procharger,and Vortech have probably claimed more motors thus far, than APS kit's..This track record speaks for itself..
Greddy, comes with an archaic EMS system, and not even a Quasi return fuel system as does Turbonetics, that includes a Baind aid reflash of an ecu and undersized injectors and not even a Quasi Return fuel system at that!!
Your argument is flawed and your facts are incorrect, do some more research..
Second, the APS TT kit, or ST kit is by far the most comprehensive and complete all in one kit on the market, and the number of blown engines and logged problem free miles speak for my argument..Do some research and you will find that Greddy,TN, Procharger,and Vortech have probably claimed more motors thus far, than APS kit's..This track record speaks for itself..
Greddy, comes with an archaic EMS system, and not even a Quasi return fuel system as does Turbonetics, that includes a Baind aid reflash of an ecu and undersized injectors and not even a Quasi Return fuel system at that!!
Your argument is flawed and your facts are incorrect, do some more research..
Give me a friggin break. My facts are "correct" as I was never making a comparison between kits, but somehow with you thats how any conversation ALWAYS turns.
You never fail to fall back on the same old rhetoric by insulting anything and everyone around you who does not play into your pocket.
I'm done with this conversation, as I can find better things to do with my time (perhaps beat my head on a brick wall).
10-17-2006, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Sorry couldn't resist...
Thanks for that story, but these guys CERTAINLY push these kits hard here on the site. Its good to know that they aren't so pushy in person (I've heard they aren't so bad in person),).
Second, the JWT nuthugger posted up in like the 3rd or 4th post, when all this original posted did was ask for advice..Pretty ironic huh?
10-17-2006, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
I don't have contempt for you, only your extremely large attitude and condescending posts.
Originally Posted by taurran
I'm done with this conversation, as I can find better things to do with my time (perhaps beat my head on a brick wall).
10-17-2006, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
You never fail to fall back on the same old rhetoric by insulting anything and everyone around you who does not play into your pocket.
