BamBam's Update: The Boost is Loose at Forged Peformance!
10-25-2006 | 07:37 PM
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Bambam, Congrats bro you are a very lucky man. I will have my car around the time you are picking yours up so we should all go cruising together (me, you, and alberto). My car is also at Forged as you probably know. Too bad we cant put the top down.
Sharif, awesome job you are very good at what you do.
Sharif, awesome job you are very good at what you do.
Last edited by projectsherv; 10-25-2006 at 07:44 PM.
10-26-2006 | 12:03 AM
#122
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Since Brent is still on a working vacation in South East Asia (yeah right), he wanted me to post an update on his car.
BamBam's engine tuning is finally done. First, I want to give a special thanks to Sam@GTMotorsports. As a new FCON tuner, I had about 100 or so questions that needed answering, and Sam really helped me to learn the ins and outs of the FCON software and hardware.
If you live in the Western half of the USA, you owe it to yourself to take your car to GT Motorsports, or just stop in for a visit.
To back up a little bit, Brent's car arrived with a blown headgasket, and Chris and Devon worked for about 24 hours straight to completely disassemble and reassemble his engine engine and turbo kit. After putting it back together, we saw 5 psi oil pressure on the gauge. We tried to get BamBam back on the road, so he could attend his rally, but it never happened due to the oil issue. Actually, it turns out that we had oil pressure all along, and it was just a bad in-cabin oil pressure gauge (not a bad oil pressure sensor).
Here is a partial recap of his current setup:
Sleeved Shortblock 3.5L
JE Pistons 9.0:1 CR
Pauter Rods
GTM Stage III heads with oversized head studs
HKS Head Gasket
Rear Cylinder Cooling Modification
AAM Stage I and Stage II Fuel System
HKS FCON VPro with Knock Amp
HKS 1000cc Injectors
Greddy TT with upgraded TD06-60-1 Turbos
AAM 3 Inch Exhaust and AAM 3 inch Downpipes with Dumps
HKS EVC Boost Controller, HKS Navigator Pro
Final numbers on C18 Race fuel at 23psi
666whp Dyno Dynamics STD Correction
742whp Dyno Jet STD Correction
All 5th gear pulls, and the dyno comparo was done just a couple hours apart.
At this power level, you get basic ONE SHOT at a peak power number due to engine heat soak. On the first pass at the DynoJet, the clutched slipped for a split second near 6000rpm, and then grabbed again...causing their weird power drop. On the second run, the engine was too heat soaked and the power dropped off about 20whp. This Dyno has one tiny fan.
Next time...a little heat in the clutch would have prevented that slip at the end.
The Dyno Jet down the Street:
Our in House Dyno Dynamics Dyno
BamBam's engine tuning is finally done. First, I want to give a special thanks to Sam@GTMotorsports. As a new FCON tuner, I had about 100 or so questions that needed answering, and Sam really helped me to learn the ins and outs of the FCON software and hardware.
If you live in the Western half of the USA, you owe it to yourself to take your car to GT Motorsports, or just stop in for a visit. To back up a little bit, Brent's car arrived with a blown headgasket, and Chris and Devon worked for about 24 hours straight to completely disassemble and reassemble his engine engine and turbo kit. After putting it back together, we saw 5 psi oil pressure on the gauge. We tried to get BamBam back on the road, so he could attend his rally, but it never happened due to the oil issue. Actually, it turns out that we had oil pressure all along, and it was just a bad in-cabin oil pressure gauge (not a bad oil pressure sensor).
Here is a partial recap of his current setup:
Sleeved Shortblock 3.5L
JE Pistons 9.0:1 CR
Pauter Rods
GTM Stage III heads with oversized head studs
HKS Head Gasket
Rear Cylinder Cooling Modification
AAM Stage I and Stage II Fuel System
HKS FCON VPro with Knock Amp
HKS 1000cc Injectors
Greddy TT with upgraded TD06-60-1 Turbos
AAM 3 Inch Exhaust and AAM 3 inch Downpipes with Dumps
HKS EVC Boost Controller, HKS Navigator Pro
Final numbers on C18 Race fuel at 23psi
666whp Dyno Dynamics STD Correction
742whp Dyno Jet STD Correction
All 5th gear pulls, and the dyno comparo was done just a couple hours apart.
At this power level, you get basic ONE SHOT at a peak power number due to engine heat soak. On the first pass at the DynoJet, the clutched slipped for a split second near 6000rpm, and then grabbed again...causing their weird power drop. On the second run, the engine was too heat soaked and the power dropped off about 20whp. This Dyno has one tiny fan.
Next time...a little heat in the clutch would have prevented that slip at the end.The Dyno Jet down the Street:
Our in House Dyno Dynamics Dyno
10-26-2006 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by projectsherv
Bambam, Congrats bro you are a very lucky man. I will have my car around the time you are picking yours up so we should all go cruising together (me, you, and alberto). My car is also at Forged as you probably know. Too bad we cant put the top down.
Sharif, awesome job you are very good at what you do.
Sharif, awesome job you are very good at what you do.
10-26-2006 | 07:50 AM
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From: Germantown, MD
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Depending on your setup, the ECU might try to hunt for the idle at times. The only thing that the FCON doesn not control, is the idle. Idle speed and the DBW throttle is still controlled by the ECU.
You guys are right. The best way to describe the FCON experience, is a total OEM, and seamless powerband...just like a factory turbo car. No glitches or hickups, regardless of RPM or throttle position.
You guys are right. The best way to describe the FCON experience, is a total OEM, and seamless powerband...just like a factory turbo car. No glitches or hickups, regardless of RPM or throttle position.
10-26-2006 | 08:11 AM
#125
Sharif-
From a cost perspective, I'm trying to understand the differences between UTEC and FCON Pro. Price difference between the units aside, is there a difference in the amount that you charge for tuning between the two units?
I was unsure, as I know that FCON Pro allows you a greater level of control during tuning.
Thanks.
Rob
From a cost perspective, I'm trying to understand the differences between UTEC and FCON Pro. Price difference between the units aside, is there a difference in the amount that you charge for tuning between the two units?
I was unsure, as I know that FCON Pro allows you a greater level of control during tuning.
Thanks.
Rob
10-26-2006 | 01:27 PM
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From: Marietta, GA
Originally Posted by BobbyRitz
Sharif-
From a cost perspective, I'm trying to understand the differences between UTEC and FCON Pro. Price difference between the units aside, is there a difference in the amount that you charge for tuning between the two units?
I was unsure, as I know that FCON Pro allows you a greater level of control during tuning.
Thanks.
Rob
From a cost perspective, I'm trying to understand the differences between UTEC and FCON Pro. Price difference between the units aside, is there a difference in the amount that you charge for tuning between the two units?
I was unsure, as I know that FCON Pro allows you a greater level of control during tuning.
Thanks.
Rob
We almost always spend more time on the dyno, than we actually bill for.
10-26-2006 | 01:31 PM
#127
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Not sure if you noticed on BamBam's dyno chart, but we made over 90 passes on the dyno, and spent a good 8 to 10 hours on the dyno fine tuning everything.
10-26-2006 | 02:38 PM
#128
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
We charge $675 for UTEC tuning, and the cost for FCON tuning is $750. Our tunes are very unique. Not sure if you noticed on BamBam's dyno chart, but we made over 90 passes on the dyno, and spent a good 8 to 10 hours on the dyno fine tuning everything. Our tuning fees reflect the time, and energy we put into generating perfect and safe tunes. Some tuners might make a few passes and call it a day....not Forged Performance.
We almost always spend more time on the dyno, than we actually bill for.
We almost always spend more time on the dyno, than we actually bill for.
so you saying 675 is for about 8 hours of tunning?.. THAT IS A DEAL!!!!!1
10-26-2006 | 02:42 PM
#129
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
We charge $675 for UTEC tuning, and the cost for FCON tuning is $750. Our tunes are very unique. Not sure if you noticed on BamBam's dyno chart, but we made over 90 passes on the dyno, and spent a good 8 to 10 hours on the dyno fine tuning everything. Our tuning fees reflect the time, and energy we put into generating perfect and safe tunes. Some tuners might make a few passes and call it a day....not Forged Performance.
We almost always spend more time on the dyno, than we actually bill for.
We almost always spend more time on the dyno, than we actually bill for.
Thanks for the response Sharif...and I concur with the above post, for 8 to 10 hours the charge is more than reasonable.
10-26-2006 | 03:41 PM
#132
Not sure if you noticed on BamBam's dyno chart, but we made over 90 passes on the dyno, and spent a good 8 to 10 hours on the dyno fine tuning everything. Our tuning fees reflect the time, and energy we put into generating perfect and safe tunes. Some tuners might make a few passes and call it a day....not Forged Performance.
10-27-2006 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by InjectedPerf
MIAPLAYA,
I think I am pretty close to what you have in mind.
AEBS 4.3L stroker
GT42R single turbo (hoping to fit a GT47-80 eventually)
3.5" Downpipe/Midpipe with electronic cutout (note the turndown isn't installed in the picture)
I think I am pretty close to what you have in mind.
AEBS 4.3L stroker
GT42R single turbo (hoping to fit a GT47-80 eventually)
3.5" Downpipe/Midpipe with electronic cutout (note the turndown isn't installed in the picture)
Thanks
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10-27-2006 | 08:44 AM
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GT42 with a 4.3L stroker motor, 1600cc injectors, Magnetti Marelli ECU.
Originally Posted by 350Zzzz
3.5" Downpipe/Midpipe....huh......please tell me more and what is it connected to?
Thanks
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G
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