*** JWT BB530's and BB700's side by side ***
11-16-2006, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Hahaha. Nice. I love the doubters. Good, you keep believing whatever it is you believe, and we will just keep making the numbers that we do, over and over again, on severall cars, on a few different dyno's. Are you trying to say that JWT, "The Dyno Shop", Stillen, etc. are all involved in some kind of conspiracy to make all their dyno's read consistantly higher numbers repeatedly just for our VRT cars?? 
PM, Thanks for posting the pics, never thought to do it myself. I am sure you guys will find the JWT BB700 kit to be great, I know we have.
PM, Thanks for posting the pics, never thought to do it myself. I am sure you guys will find the JWT BB700 kit to be great, I know we have.
Same goes for the APS turbos..They claim on the standard kit to be able to achieve 800CHP worth of airflow, in theory of course.Yet APS themselves have never been confirmed to do such nor has anyone on the boards, been able to achive over the 600whp range on their standard turbos.
Thus far, all the heavy hitters that have been confirmed and tested to make 600+ hp on Dynojets are the Greddy Twins. Which is ironic cause they are the company which makes ZERO HP claims on their kits and turbos
Bottom line, I dont believe dick that a manufacturer markets about their kits..Regardless of who it is..Cause the bottom line is, they are all in the business of selling their turbo kits to the public...But until a completely independant source, completely divorced from personal profit and notoriety, tests all of these turbos back to back, and published true and accurate results, I will forever have my doubts.
As for your cars making 700hp on stock fuel rails with a "booster" pump at 20 psi and a split second box as tuning..LMAO, no comment.....And Im not the only one who questions your achievements...Its all in good fun however, Im not hating on you guys.
11-16-2006, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 350Zzzz
In the beginning we had no idea what the hp approximations were derived from; am I to understand, now you are basing your assumptions from that of a 300ZX; interesting.
Might I ask at what compression ratio, valves per cylinder, etc., etc that these approximations were based upon?
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Might I ask at what compression ratio, valves per cylinder, etc., etc that these approximations were based upon?
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11-16-2006, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
No problem man, just stating it the way I see it. Not one car out of your shop has backed up its Dynapack numbers with a Dyno Jet or independant dyno, from a company that has nothing to profit from the sale of their turbos. Dont take this as a flame on JWT either, cause its not.Im sure on paper and in theory their 700bb turbos flow enough air flow to support 700chp.But as you know, 700CHP and 700WHP are two different things, completely..
As for your cars making 700hp on stock fuel rails with a "booster" pump at 20 psi and a split second box as tuning..LMAO, no comment.....And Im not the only one who questions your achievements...Its all in good fun however, Im not hating on you guys.
As for your cars making 700hp on stock fuel rails with a "booster" pump at 20 psi and a split second box as tuning..LMAO, no comment.....And Im not the only one who questions your achievements...Its all in good fun however, Im not hating on you guys.
Secondly, Since you're the last person in America that doesn't know, Jewlian.......JWT does all VRT's tuning. JWT sets up the fuel system, and does all the tuning. So, as I've said before, those of you that question the info, call JWT. Because I'd like to meet the person that calls out JWT thinking they know more and actually DO. Because there are probably fewer people than frequent the FI section daily that know more or as much as Clark and Jim at JWT about turbos/cams, let alone Nissans and tuning them.
11-16-2006, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
okay, they have dyno'd at stillen and other places and still made the same power.
Secondly, Since you're the last person in America that doesn't know, Jewlian.......JWT does all VRT's tuning. JWT sets up the fuel system, and does all the tuning. So, as I've said before, those of you that question the info, call JWT. Because I'd like to meet the person that calls out JWT thinking they know more and actually DO. Because there are probably fewer people than frequent the FI section daily that know more or as much as Clark and Jim at JWT about turbos/cams, let alone Nissans and tuning them.
Secondly, Since you're the last person in America that doesn't know, Jewlian.......JWT does all VRT's tuning. JWT sets up the fuel system, and does all the tuning. So, as I've said before, those of you that question the info, call JWT. Because I'd like to meet the person that calls out JWT thinking they know more and actually DO. Because there are probably fewer people than frequent the FI section daily that know more or as much as Clark and Jim at JWT about turbos/cams, let alone Nissans and tuning them.
(cough hack, Koji..cough hack, Jham...cough hack)
11-16-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
I can think of a couple that know as much... (cough hack, Koji..cough hack, Jham...cough hack)
(cough hack, Koji..cough hack, Jham...cough hack) I'm pretty sure Clark and Jim know more bout turbos and cams than Kojima.....but then again, that doesn't really show how smart Kojima is, either, heh. I remember at PRI last year Kojima telling me he was going to team up with TN to design the GT-Ks.
11-16-2006, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
I'm pretty sure Clark and Jim know more bout turbos and cams than Kojima.....but then again, that doesn't really show how smart Kojima is, either, heh. I remember at PRI last year Kojima telling me he was going to team up with TN to design the GT-Ks.
11-16-2006, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
I think you'd be surprised when it comes to turbos bro. Kojima knows a LOT more then you think...hell you know him
At least they're cool enough to educate me!
11-16-2006, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
No problem man, just stating it the way I see it. Not one car out of your shop has backed up its Dynapack numbers with a Dyno Jet or independant dyno, from a company that has nothing to profit from the sale of their turbos. Dont take this as a flame on JWT either, cause its not.Im sure on paper and in theory their 700bb turbos flow enough air flow to support 700chp.But as you know, 700CHP and 700WHP are two different things, completely..
Same goes for the APS turbos..They claim on the standard kit to be able to achieve 800CHP worth of airflow, in theory of course.Yet APS themselves have never been confirmed to do such nor has anyone on the boards, been able to achive over the 600whp range on their standard turbos.
Thus far, all the heavy hitters that have been confirmed and tested to make 600+ hp on Dynojets are the Greddy Twins. Which is ironic cause they are the company which makes ZERO HP claims on their kits and turbos
Bottom line, I dont believe dick that a manufacturer markets about their kits..Regardless of who it is..Cause the bottom line is, they are all in the business of selling their turbo kits to the public...But until a completely independant source, completely divorced from personal profit and notoriety, tests all of these turbos back to back, and published true and accurate results, I will forever have my doubts.
As for your cars making 700hp on stock fuel rails with a "booster" pump at 20 psi and a split second box as tuning..LMAO, no comment.....And Im not the only one who questions your achievements...Its all in good fun however, Im not hating on you guys.
Same goes for the APS turbos..They claim on the standard kit to be able to achieve 800CHP worth of airflow, in theory of course.Yet APS themselves have never been confirmed to do such nor has anyone on the boards, been able to achive over the 600whp range on their standard turbos.
Thus far, all the heavy hitters that have been confirmed and tested to make 600+ hp on Dynojets are the Greddy Twins. Which is ironic cause they are the company which makes ZERO HP claims on their kits and turbos
Bottom line, I dont believe dick that a manufacturer markets about their kits..Regardless of who it is..Cause the bottom line is, they are all in the business of selling their turbo kits to the public...But until a completely independant source, completely divorced from personal profit and notoriety, tests all of these turbos back to back, and published true and accurate results, I will forever have my doubts.
As for your cars making 700hp on stock fuel rails with a "booster" pump at 20 psi and a split second box as tuning..LMAO, no comment.....And Im not the only one who questions your achievements...Its all in good fun however, Im not hating on you guys.
I am here to unravel the truth about VRT's dyno numbers. They pay all of their customers to keep their mouth shut, which is why you never hear any VRT customers complaining about their "real" numbers being lower than the ones that VRT claims. I am telling you this because Mr. A cut me short on his last payment and I am upset. And Jim Wolf...geez, that guy is a real piece of work, like a sleezy car salesman. All he cares about is making a quick buck, even if its at the expense of others. This is the reason that so many shops sell his kits. He doesn't care, the more people he has selling the kit, the more $$$ comes rolling in. Oh, and don't forget about the money he saved not including a fuel return system in his kits, that alone pays for his hooker & blow addiction. He runns his buisness like the mob. If he feels that you will post on the forums about one of his crappy turbo kits, he will have you killed before you can log on. As I type, there are three henchmen on their way to my office with silenced 9mms and a body bag. JWT + VRT = Biggest Conspiracy since Area 51!!! Everybody buy APS!!!
11-16-2006, 11:34 AM
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Wow, this thread got out of hand quickly.
350Zzzz: Not sure what you meant by this comment. I had no intention of discrediting anything that you, 1G, or Vinny are doing. Vinny is an amazing guy, and I met him last year at SEMA. I have a lot of respect for his ability to build some crazy fast drag cars. I did not post one iota of negativity or criticism towards him, you, or anyone on this thread. Just wanted to make that clear.
All good. The JWT is a well designed kit for its intended purpose. The stock kit is designed for stock engines at moderate boost and power levels. Jim Wolf himself told me about 520whp max efficient power (with a built motor of course). Beyond that, he suggested the 700BB that you posted above, which is rated at about 700whp. As MIA and MRC posted, theoretical valves are just that...theory. Actual user power levels are going to vary, based on more variables that one can list. So it would not be unusual for someone to achieve, more OR less power with these kits.
Hope that clears it up.
Originally Posted by 350Zzzz
And, Sharif, you surprise me, of all people to even think that someone like Vinny Ten, with his experience and knowledge would even consider such a cheap short cut.
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350Zzzz: Not sure what you meant by this comment. I had no intention of discrediting anything that you, 1G, or Vinny are doing. Vinny is an amazing guy, and I met him last year at SEMA. I have a lot of respect for his ability to build some crazy fast drag cars. I did not post one iota of negativity or criticism towards him, you, or anyone on this thread. Just wanted to make that clear.
All good. The JWT is a well designed kit for its intended purpose. The stock kit is designed for stock engines at moderate boost and power levels. Jim Wolf himself told me about 520whp max efficient power (with a built motor of course). Beyond that, he suggested the 700BB that you posted above, which is rated at about 700whp. As MIA and MRC posted, theoretical valves are just that...theory. Actual user power levels are going to vary, based on more variables that one can list. So it would not be unusual for someone to achieve, more OR less power with these kits.
Hope that clears it up.
11-16-2006, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 350ZNV
LOL, I honor your persistance in standing by your beliefs. Like a capitain that sinks with his ship...
I am here to unravel the truth about VRT's dyno numbers. They pay all of their customers to keep their mouth shut, which is why you never hear any VRT customers complaining about their "real" numbers being lower than the ones that VRT claims. I am telling you this because Mr. A cut me short on his last payment and I am upset. And Jim Wolf...geez, that guy is a real piece of work, like a sleezy car salesman. All he cares about is making a quick buck, even if its at the expense of others. This is the reason that so many shops sell his kits. He doesn't care, the more people he has selling the kit, the more $$$ comes rolling in. Oh, and don't forget about the money he saved not including a fuel return system in his kits, that alone pays for his hooker & blow addiction. He runns his buisness like the mob. If he feels that you will post on the forums about one of his crappy turbo kits, he will have you killed before you can log on. As I type, there are three henchmen on their way to my office with silenced 9mms and a body bag. JWT + VRT = Biggest Conspiracy since Area 51!!! Everybody buy APS!!!
I am here to unravel the truth about VRT's dyno numbers. They pay all of their customers to keep their mouth shut, which is why you never hear any VRT customers complaining about their "real" numbers being lower than the ones that VRT claims. I am telling you this because Mr. A cut me short on his last payment and I am upset. And Jim Wolf...geez, that guy is a real piece of work, like a sleezy car salesman. All he cares about is making a quick buck, even if its at the expense of others. This is the reason that so many shops sell his kits. He doesn't care, the more people he has selling the kit, the more $$$ comes rolling in. Oh, and don't forget about the money he saved not including a fuel return system in his kits, that alone pays for his hooker & blow addiction. He runns his buisness like the mob. If he feels that you will post on the forums about one of his crappy turbo kits, he will have you killed before you can log on. As I type, there are three henchmen on their way to my office with silenced 9mms and a body bag. JWT + VRT = Biggest Conspiracy since Area 51!!! Everybody buy APS!!!
Some people just don't want to believe what is being done outside of their own world (thier box, or paradyme) I actually understand.
Let me know if you live through the night, after that post.... hahaha.
FYI we have consistantly made 700+ WHP with the 700BB kit, and 500+WHP with the 530BB kit on several independent companies dyno's on Dyno Jets, Dyno Packs, Dyno Dynamics, etc.
Lets not thread jack here anymore, back to P.M. and the pics they took of the turbo's
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11-16-2006, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 350ZNV
Yep, and the F/I forum usually isn't the best place to go when you are in a bad mood lol.
What a liar, You should be ashamed of yourself (or ourselves)
11-16-2006, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
350ZNV, You are one of the biggest liars in the VRT group, I don't believe your/our dyno numbers. You say you made 550+ WHP and 590+ WHP on the JWT TT 530BB kit with a basically stock fuel system, returnless?
What a liar, You should be ashamed of yourself (or ourselves)
What a liar, You should be ashamed of yourself (or ourselves)
11-16-2006, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 350ZNV
It was 690wtq d*ck. Like I said before, Mr. A pays me to fabricate such truths. He even taught me photoshop so I could make a dyno chart. I don't even have a 350Z. I drive a Tiburon and a RAV-4.
This is one thing all of us agree on, and heck, I dont even get along with Sharif & Miaplaya that much and yet we still agree on this subject.
And on a side note, I also never said "buy APS" as you so posted in your first reply. This was a classic case of you reading what you want, and misquoting me and adding what YOU felt like adding as my words. I also ripped apart APS's claims of HP output at the same time, go back and re-read it, youll see..
Anyhow, Im fed up with the MY350Z.com, My c ock is bigger than your
co ck typical off topic debates of the turbos..Theory is just that until applied, THEORY... Im respectfully withdrawing from this debate before it turns into its typical MRC Bashing witch hunt...
To the OP, Nice big AS S snails, howe they make the power you want, good luck with the project, your in good hands with Vinny..
11-16-2006, 01:22 PM
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^^^I will add myself to that list if/when I have any problems with my fuel system.
As far as the APS thing goes, that wasn't directed at you. In fact only the first part was directed at you. The rest is directed at the overall group of JWT VRT skeptics. Besides, I have no clue how big your c*ck is ...
As far as the APS thing goes, that wasn't directed at you. In fact only the first part was directed at you. The rest is directed at the overall group of JWT VRT skeptics. Besides, I have no clue how big your c*ck is ...
