great numbers ....glad to hear your "loose ends " are dialed in....

 

thanks guys

it's really kind of a relief to know the car is really pretty much "done" for the foreseeable future until the engine gets hurt

now that everything is working great, looking back at all the money and hassle spent on the car, it feels worth it now

 

Although Im sure your belt FIX helps TimRod . Sentry said he is only making 11psi .

Sentry
Do you tihnk you could get Sam back on here to explain the Huge gain in whp from the in the door dyno and the out the door dyno that WASNT a hail mary run ? I like how you tend to keep repeating that .

Also..do you plan on putting your car back on the dyno you started with ? To see your REAL gains ? The Dynojet you just dynoed on looks to be rather generous if Sam seems to think he can get it to 500whp . Remember Derek from DSport mag had a totally built motor with tricked out heads , cams , huge IC and pipes and an F-con . And barely made over 500whp on 20 something psi of boost . And you are claiming of getting almost there on half . Go figure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sentry
You seem to be a very maticulous guy . Very good at figuring it ALL out and keeping track of every nut and bolt that goes into your car . You seem to be able to figure out exactly the HP each of your mods is going to bring . How come you cant remember why or cant remember details about the in the door dyno's that showed you got 97whp less than when you went out the door . You were already tuned to 430whp on a LOAD BASE DYNO . WHich you said would have made 470 to 480whp on a DynoJet . How can you do a before dyno ...on a DynoJet...that reads less than the 430whp you claimed on a LOAD BASE dyno . You said the 430whp was tuned , but was just going lean up top .

You aslo have shown us all that you are great at making , overlaying , changing graphs and charts . So did you make your own 430whp dyno ? Change the dyno graphs you have now ? With you not remmbering whats going on with your car while at the shop . Changing dyno numbers [ 435whp one day 430whp the next ] Lower in the door dyno numbers on a DynoJet than you stated the car had on a LOAD BASE dyno . And Im sure Im forgetting some other misleading info you have given . So its getting hard to keep track of your story here . It getting hard to believe your story with your car . Do you see where Im coming from ?

Im sure your car is a beast . Thats not in question here ! But you not being able to keep track of your stories might be . It sure is confusing to try to figure it out .

 

have Sam on the phone right now...all the questions will be answered in a second

 

ok here's the deal:


Sam says I should switch back to the OEM brembo pads because my Axis Ultimate pads are not that great and will fade much faster than the OEM pads. I will probably take his advice since I've tracked with the stock brembo pads before when I was NA with no issues.


When he dynoed my car initially, he took it easy because obviously he didn't quite know what he was dealing with as far as the tune and fuel pressure. He wanted to see for himself.

He did a first pull in 3rd gear and another pull in 4th gear

he said the car made 378 and 380 whp pretty much on both runs except for a dyno/throttle SPIKE at the end of the dyno where it spiked up to 425whp. So it never truely made 425whp on his dyno when I first came in

his dyno is using STD correction. He says they're fairly close to sea level so his dyno doesn't really artifically add any high numbers to his charts due to correction

In just a bit, Sam is going to email me an overlayed dyno of my before dyno, the 91 and 96 octane runs - so we'll all see what happened and what GTM did to my car





YES I am planning on taking my car back to Dynocomp and run on their Dyno Dynamics dyno just once to see what it does there since that has been my ultimate benchmark dyno all along that I've logged over 220 dyno pulls on


I've never made a dyno sheet and claimed it to be mine other than putting some dots where I theoretically SHOULD have been if my fuel pressure wasn't dropping or what my dyno might look like if it was dynoed on a dynojet - and guess what? I was pretty much right on the money give or take some small differences. I have in the past made some graphs attempting to factor in my shorter 3.9 gearing to visually show what the "artificial" torque curve looks like in comparison to a normal 3.5 final drive from my car to another car, but never claimed that was my actual torque curve that the engine itself is making


psi doesn't equal power. I'm actually thrilled I'm making the power I am at "only" 11 psi. If it was the same power but 20psi that would be a lot harder on my engine because that means it's having trouble getting the air through the engine and there's more pressure on the internals

You've said it yourself, if the psi number is high, the blower has a harder time getting the air into the engine



are we all satisfied now?

 

You are tell us that you have over 220 pulls on a DYNO ????? that seems rediculous and stupid...sorry...but it is .

Your motor isnt near the motor Derek put into his car . Im sure if you look up his original post about his motor . It is a fully tricked out motor capable of FLOWING much more air than your motor and your IC and pipe system .

And if your in the door dyno , was at 380 and spiked to 420 [ oh now its 425 ] the pull shouldnt even be taken as a pull . Something went wrong wouldnt you think ? And it still isnt the WHP you claimed on a LOAD BASE dyno...430-435whp

Showing us your overlayed graphs from Sams shop will only show that his dyno is very generous...generous indeed .

 

wasn't Derek's dyno done at GTM? Maybe you forgot that GTM was partially responsible for designing the cog system you now have on your car. They picked up the project after Vortech gave up after the first two or so designs that failed. GTM I think made the one that worked which you now own

My car has been on the dyno a lot yeah. It's gone through a lot and it's been worked on hard. This is why I'm so big on cooling and quality gas. 200+ dyno runs is probably the equivalent to ten 20 minute road course sessions - or 2 days worth, only there isn't as much load or heat soak as on a real road.

Most of Dynocomp's dynos did not have a high load. Half of them had really light loads - the equivalent to driving downhill, and not ALL of them were to redline. And a portion of them were from when I was NA. If my car can't handle 200+ dynos spread out over a year and a half, my car has NO BUSINESS being tracked


and hey booger, stop being such a jerk. Sam left me a message on my cell phone a few days ago when he did the first dyno and said it did 380 but then hit 420 or so. I might not have fully understood what he was saying about the spike. After talking with him, I understand it was a dyno spike. Now that he's standing right in front of the chart, he can see that it was 425 so don't act like I'm changing my story from 420. I'm reporting back to YOU what happened....not like I have to you know.

Anyway there's no pleasing you. I'll go to dynocomp when I get around to it and dyno - mainly because I'm curious, but I'll post it for you to see too. Maybe that'll shut you up
I await your next post...
bear in mind you arguing with me is partially arguing with what Sam, a highly respected and knowledgable tuner is telling me that I'm relaying back to you

 

AHHHH...I knew you could !!!!!! you finally got mad and posted your frustration ...cool !!!!
I stand by what I said..your stories keep changing and things dont add up .

NOW !
The original reason for me being such an A$$ in this thread is to pay you back for the last two threads I have started , and YOU decided to be the A$$ in thoughs threads . You have been pissed off at me for a while now because you keep trying to down play the huge difference between the power that can be made on a turbo and a SCer and I keep pointing out there is a huge difference . The power that can be made with 11psi on a turbo is far greater than the power that can be made with 11psi on a SCer . I keep pointing that out and you dont like it . So you decided to be as big of A$$ as you possibly could in my threads even after I asked you to stop . So...isnt it a pain in the A$$ to have someone keep going on and on with question after question doubting every thing you say ? You now know how it feels !!!!!


And if Dereks car was dynoed at GMT then something really shady is going on over there . What...do you think you have this SUPER HIGH FLOWING FREAK MOTOR FROM THE FACTORY ? Come on !!!!!

 

booger, you're irritating, that is all.

If I disagree with you, I explain why.

I don't do it for the sake of doing it like you've just done in this thread

 

Then why did you keep making an A$$ out of your self over and over in two of my threads . When I asked you to stop in both ???????

Again you dont have this FACTORY FREAK motor thats able to make with in 45whp of a car that can flow far more air than yours at almost twice the psi .

You have this need to be top dog SCer or something....it really is getting pretty funny to read your posts on how this SC of yours is making turbo power on the same motor that every one else here has .

 

You aslo had this need to be the last one to post in the two threads of mine . I got tired of it and let you have the last post...were you happy about that ?

 

booger, I've never done this to anyone, but I'm going to have to put you on my ignore list. Good luck with everything, but I don't see how our knowledge will benefit each other any more

 

I remember that... I can't believe your car still ran after that whole ordeal.


In any case, CONGRATS on your recent results / numbers. Did Sam give you any trouble or concerns with putting the vortech on a stock block? I was under the impression that GTM doesn't like to do "risky" installs. I'm not trying to say I think your numbers are "risky", just that I'm somewhat ignorant and I'd like to know what Sam thought about your project as a whole.

-Mike (ignores the bickering)

 

Booger,



are you wanting to be banned for a second time?? From what I remember, your on borrowed time! wtf?? Why dont you go to GTM and get an FCon, tuned by Sam and be happy with your setup??

Maybe you should call Sam and tell him his Dyno is a POS and you arequestioning his tuning on the motor because that is what it seems like to me..

 

Sam told me (and in this thread) that he thought I'd reach 500whp and felt safe with taking it to that level. He also said he'd never take a customer's car to the very edge even if they wanted it because even then they end up a little sad when their car is down for a few weeks and reality sets in with the bill of a built engine.

I think the big key is I'm absolutely for running race gas and have a race gas pump near my house

I'd also guess he doesn't want to be known for blowing customer cars up cause word gets around and negative rumors spread

He's actually very pro-vortech since it's one of the few CARB legal FI kits in CA and generally reliable with the engine and he's gotten pretty good results out of them. He thought the gradual torque curve was easier on the stock engine than some of the turbo kits

 

That's kind of how I feel too, but when I was piecing together my vortech build (a project I have dropped due to being poor ) I was still factoring in a basic built shortblock, as well as an upgraded fuel system and FCON Vpro. Of course, this is where my project started to slip beyond my grasp.

Now if I can get away with FCON only and no built block, I might open this can of worms up one more time.

Of course I'm a Vortech fan because of the CARB # as well.

 

the guy I talked to with the vortech G35 sedan went through a lot of hassle because he got pulled over and the cop saw his fuel pressure regulator and you can't mess with the fuel system really at all in CA so that was an instant fix it ticket.

The guy spend a lot of money working through that. Like $7k in the end. Anyway something to keep in mind - keeping all aftermarket fuel components out of plain sight. I don't live in CA so stuff like that is newer news to me

 

sweet numbers very nice car

 

I take it pretty easy on the street and highways. I don't even like to do canyon runs because I've seen too much crazy **** already in my life. I've never been pulled over (except for public urination LOL) in 9+ years of driving.

 

the vortech is noisy though, I mean you really can hear it. So it's possible cops might hassle you just from hearing the car and wanting to make sure nothing illegal is on the car