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Old 08-20-2009 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
i'm not taking sides here.. but OP seriously? a qt of oil a day? and you still driving it around? when my car was leaking PS Fluid.. i drove that b!tch back to NJ and Matt found it was the Greddy Turbo against the PS Line and fixed it... when my car was leaking oil.. not even a 1 qt a day.. maybe a little puddle a day.. i brought it back to NJ and Matt found the main seal had a leak.. Julian and Matt offered to put my gf and i up in a hotel for the weekend while matt fixed it.. but i declined and had Julian drop us at the bus station and we took the bus back to NYC and the train back to CT... I don't understand how you were putting in 1 qt a day in the car and didn't bring it back to Dave.. i woudl have drove it down to FT nad left it there.. and told them to call you when your car stops leaking oil... however if i missunderstood anything i have commented on i appologize
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I stopped driving my Z as soon as I saw Mist out of my BPV dude to vortech blown seal..and that was NOWHERE! near 1 qt a day.

The OP should know better for next time.. mechanic or not.. 1 qt a day is a lot and definitely shouldnt be driven .
Old 08-20-2009 | 07:05 PM
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it's called: read the ****ing thread and you will find your answer.

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Old 08-20-2009 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Motormouth
it's called: read the ****ing thread and you will find your answer.

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Old 08-20-2009 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by djamps
This is the main reason I quit posting this morning. No matter how many times I lay down actual facts and timelines, they get distorted and turned around and lost by hurt feelings and other non-relevant comments.

the fact is that it MUST HAVE been losing oil that quickly based on simple math.

8 days before d-day the oil level was slightly low and dave was informed. After at least 2800 miles and only 0.5 - 1 qt down I'd say it was doing alright in terms of OC.

Sometime between then and d-day (7 days) only 1 qt remained.

Therefore the actual consumption rate is anything 0.571 qts of oil per day or more (depending on when it started).

No visible smoke, no puddles, nothing out of the ordinary from what I could see on the actual day of the blowup when we were out for a drive and I was following.

That's all...not bashing...just facts.

If anyone has any specific questions please ask the OP instead of speculating.

As the OP is working directly with Dave again I am backing out of this.

Sorry Tech if I messed things up for you and your dealings with Dave.
Originally Posted by XKR
Then its My mistake...not Dougs.....I thought in the PM I recieved 1 qt a day was mentioned....I will re-read it.

BTW....If the OP is working with Dave...thats good news.....so how could you have messed things up for the OP??...You will always get people on here with their own opinions....Just trying to find out what went wrong.
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+1000000

I stopped driving my Z as soon as I saw Mist out of my BPV dude to vortech blown seal..and that was NOWHERE! near 1 qt a day.

The OP should know better for next time.. mechanic or not.. 1 qt a day is a lot and definitely shouldnt be driven .
Ummm... read much???
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ummm yes. sorry.. missed that one.

back on topic.
Old 08-20-2009 | 07:39 PM
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seems like some people dont stay on topic lol
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can we go back on topic please
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Yes. Back on topic about a warranty that seems to be subjective and arbitrary... as an FT customer has recently found out the hard way.
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damn this thread is runing
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Originally Posted by r0mey
Its always something. I never understood why shops would say "x person drove the car hard" well what do you buy a Turbo system for to drive the car like you are driving miss daisy come on guys. Really?
Originally Posted by Jay'Z
The "warranty" is bs IMHO..... Ill call it how I see it..

I think the "warranty" program should be removed....

If there wasnt any warranty promised there prob wouldnt be any questions asked or threads..
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Old 08-21-2009 | 02:38 AM
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Stock block warranty... LMFAO what a gimmick

LOL @ shops saying "you drove the too car hard" No **** idiot why do you think I modded it in the first place?
Old 08-21-2009 | 04:24 AM
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Warranty program ran for while. So has anyone coverd under warranty? Or never had blow motor?
Old 08-21-2009 | 04:43 AM
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There was no oil issue expressed or implied by the customer whatsoever.

There was a fuel leak issue that g35keys and djamps corrected because the customer lived 1.5 hours away. I expressed to him that he should bring it to the shop but that driving with a fuel leak might be dangerous.

The oil was checked at the time of the fuel leak (no oil leak).

djamps - I can guess what happened and anyone with VQ experience will say this is well within the realm of possibility. Actually in my phone conversations with g35keys he accepted this as a possibility.

When checking a fuel leak that car is started because pressure is lost in the fuel system with a RFS (most of it) and you need the car running to generate consistant pressure. The oil was most likely checked close to the time after the car was started. On a VQ you MUST wait 5 to 10 minutes for the oil to fall of the dipstick. I actually check the oil 3 to 5 times over a period of a few minutes to see if I note small decreases in level.

Here is a synopsis:

  1. NO OIL LEAK Expressed or implied by the customer
  2. Fuel Leak - Diagnosed by customer, unsafe to drive with fuel leak, customer 1.5 hours away
  3. Oil level checked after motor was run to check fuel leak
  4. Time period between start and level check unknown but short
  5. Possible mis-read of oil level due to recent start
  6. Warranty covers the stock pistons and rods
  7. I have verbal confirmation from a good friend of g35keys who was there the day this happened. He expressed under no undue stress or questioning from me that g35keys has never checked the oil himself since the original install on 6/5/09. The comment from the other customer was made in an off-handed manor and in a totally "by mistake" way.
  8. All this information is supposition. All I can know as fact is that we took a little more then 1 qt of oil out of the motor.
Old 08-21-2009 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveFunction2ND
He paid nothing extra for the warranty. We only require that the customer use the recommended mix of parts and have us install and tune the system. This is to insure that all parts are installed properly and that tuning is done by me. I do not even require that the parts are purchased from us. All labor and tuning charges are the same if a customer was to install only certain parts or do a full warranty coverage install.

I actually went above and beyond for g35keys and covered him at a higher then normal boost level. This was our agreement. He would put headers and test pipes as quickly as possible to lower the effective boost level. The install was completed 6/5/09. It took him almost 1.5 months to get the test pipes (which are not installed). Although I still don't think he has the headers, only the test pipes.
XKR - Do you plan to continue to ignore this post? My recommended mix of parts is the same that you would tell anyone with FI to use. I provide a warranty on the stock pistons and rods if they install the kit and use these parts at NO ADDITIONAL COST. Where do you stand on this issue now that you understand that fact?
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Originally Posted by Chef-J
Warranty program ran for while. So has anyone coverd under warranty? Or never had blow motor?
There was one motor covered under warranty. This was the 2nd motor originally put into our test mule. Our test mule is the one that made 563 DD HP which we promptly blew up. I then continued less publicized testing on that car with 12 psi. It ended up damaging the motor. When driving the customer bent a rod...please note that the rod did not exit the block it only bent. Technically this is a significant accomplishment.

Please see this thread:

https://my350z.com/forum/mid-atlantic/430981-need-your-feedback-whos-got-a-f-t-fi-tune-or-tune-install-thats-blown-up.html
Old 08-21-2009 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by r0mey
Its always something. I never understood why shops would say "x person drove the car hard" well what do you buy a Turbo system for to drive the car like you are driving miss daisy come on guys. Really?
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Originally Posted by DaveFunction2ND
XKR - Do you plan to continue to ignore this post? My recommended mix of parts is the same that you would tell anyone with FI to use. I provide a warranty on the stock pistons and rods if they install the kit and use these parts at NO ADDITIONAL COST. Where do you stand on this issue now that you understand that fact?
Here is what I said before...and this covers the entire subject...

1) The OP has a warranty from your shop....(both you and the OP agree to that)
2) The OP stated that he was losing oil from the get-go.Also had a fuel leak.

Now those are the facts that were presented to us. If the above is correct....you should honor the warranty. If its found out that after the OP discovered the rapid lose of oil..and he kept beating on the car without checking it.....well what can I say??....maybe he had plans for a built motor

You are saying that ..Yes....there is a warranty...but there was no oil leak. You stated that you were told that the OP drives the car hard....which mean nothing at this point. Neglect after driving hard is more the point and i agree that would void the warranty.

Now that both side are speaking up.....I told the OP its at the point where only you 2 can settle this. The OP said the car was bleeding oil.....but your findings say the opposite. What else can be said Dave ?? This has now become a toss up....Heads you pay....Tails he pays.

Now my personal opinion.....Giving a car with that much boost with a warranty on a STOCK BLOCK is asking for more drama in the future.. Let me repeat....I am not on the OP's side or Dave's side.......I received the facts...and that's what I was going by.

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Old 08-21-2009 | 06:08 AM
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This is the last post I'll make about this since I'm trying to get this resolved with Dave on pressing forward verbally as the forums have just sullied the contact. We're talking possible options for moving forward as we spoke for a good while yesterday.

I never stated my car was loosing oil from the day I got it back, if there's some confusion about that than I apologize but I went back and looked at my post and don't recall saying it. I'm not sure if JB said I never checked the oil but the oil def had been checked before (I know I've said it's hard to check our oil and I feel our stupid dipstick makes it hard to get a reading, I also said I'v never changed my oil"maybe this is what your refering to" but I meant in that phrase, that I always take it to the dealership as I don't have the time in my line of work) But this is irrelevant at this point. ANythingthat's said do go back and make sure that it's me who said it.

The oil issue as I noticed happened in the said 8 days prior of me noticing the fuel leak, but as Dave said we did talk about the possiblity of missing it from the car being on for 1-2 minutes not sure but I'm willing to entertain the idea as it ddiin't seam far fetched.

Thank you to the other guy for point out the quotes and facts so I didn't need to go back and answer that.

All and all we're trying to get something worked out between pricing and tweaking my setup but anything from this point will be back in direct contact with Dave and from now on Triple A will be my friend if something seams wrong even minor. As he stated I'm a good bit aways so swinging by is not an option so I call him soon as I hear or smell anything to see if serious, if I don't get a response I leave a message for input; call another boosted person explain and then the car will sit until I get a response if possible. I don't look to make Dave look like a fool or someone flame him to death. I will get this resolved and once I'm back up and running I'll be more careful of checking things more often, it's really all you can do is look forward. Thanks again for good knowledge if your an indivdual that bought some to the table.
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It is unfortunate what happened to you motor. Some lessons are expensive.

Dave is a good, fair, COMPETENT guy...you are making the right decision. Don't let the people who have diagnosed your motor without ever even seeing what color your car is tell you what to do and where to go.
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Originally Posted by Cass007
Not that I have any business in this thread at all, but it seems the question that should be being asked is "where did all the oil go?"

No big plumes of smoke under throttle
No oil all over the underside of the car
No huge oil puddles under the car when parked

Is the intercooler filled with 4-5qts of oil? Was there a catch can, if so, is it full? If the intercooler is full of oil, that seems that the rings would be shot. Is that covered?

If a motor is eating a quart per day you would have to see it out the exhaust right?
Or thE T-trim oil seals went and dumped oil into the I/C?


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