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Thanks for the response guys :thumb up: Im a noob at this and was wondering how some of the guys get by in places requiring smog.
If anyone has a picture of the ss box to see if or what is labeled on it, I would appreciate it
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That's backwards. The more load you have the higher the boost you can develop. In a s/c system though it's based on RPM anyways so load doesn't affect it like a turbo. So the numbers should be the same. Maybe it's getting too hot on the dyno because of the lack of airflow thus causing slip.
I did notice you have a goodyear gatorback belt on there. No matter how tight i had the good year it always slipped. I had zero slip on the gates belt.
I did notice you have a goodyear gatorback belt on there. No matter how tight i had the good year it always slipped. I had zero slip on the gates belt.
yeah I cant call it man.
very strage. But its like the car grips (the belt) once its warmed up.
either way this is in work!
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No, it says the warranty is void. Nothing about street legal. Just remove the whole sticker and don't leave pieces of it on. All it does is void you from putting in one of those warranty claims to vortech.
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Anyways can someone explain to me why is it that on this clip this guys Vortech setup sounds so much more diffenent compared to many other Votrechs, besides the actual blower sound/bpv it seems that its having compression surge as well as whats sounds to be a GReddy Type S BOV and not a BPV... Or is this in fact what they sound like? Sorry know a good bit about ATI not so with Vortech.
http://www.streetfire.net/video/vid-...ttle_87992.htm
http://www.streetfire.net/video/vid-...ttle_87992.htm
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quick question for the Cali guys.
Im in Cali and need to be able to pass smog. Those that run the ss box, is there anyway to tell it has been tuned or modified? From my understanding, if it is modified it is no longer considered CARB legal.
Also, is the box labeled for a 350z? I think I saw one that said "G35." So that would mean that if it doesn't say 350Z than it wouldn't pass smog or a smog reff?
Im in Cali and need to be able to pass smog. Those that run the ss box, is there anyway to tell it has been tuned or modified? From my understanding, if it is modified it is no longer considered CARB legal.
Also, is the box labeled for a 350z? I think I saw one that said "G35." So that would mean that if it doesn't say 350Z than it wouldn't pass smog or a smog reff?
I in the SF Bay area so they put it on rollers to check the emissions. They can't see the spacer or headers, but they do check to make sure you have the cats on. I had it smogged once with the SS box and the second time with another piggy back..no problems. I'm running 8# boost. The emissions are about the same as when it was stock. The only thing they asked about during the visual was the oil catch can and that was not a problem when I told them why it was there. If it is tuned right and has the CARB plate on the S/C you should not have any problems.
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I have passed smog with my vortech 2 times...every other year after 5 years.
I in the SF Bay area so they put it on rollers to check the emissions. They can't see the spacer or headers, but they do check to make sure you have the cats on. I had it smogged once with the SS box and the second time with another piggy back..no problems. I'm running 8# boost. The emissions are about the same as when it was stock. The only thing they asked about during the visual was the oil catch can and that was not a problem when I told them why it was there. If it is tuned right and has the CARB plate on the S/C you should not have any problems.
I in the SF Bay area so they put it on rollers to check the emissions. They can't see the spacer or headers, but they do check to make sure you have the cats on. I had it smogged once with the SS box and the second time with another piggy back..no problems. I'm running 8# boost. The emissions are about the same as when it was stock. The only thing they asked about during the visual was the oil catch can and that was not a problem when I told them why it was there. If it is tuned right and has the CARB plate on the S/C you should not have any problems.
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Here's a couple of questions for you..... (there's 3 of us looking to step into the Vortech world at once and a few questions have popped up)
Based on a non-revup engine using a Vortech V3 SCi Trim using the stock pulley.
1) What is the max amount of boost the OEM MAF can handle, word has it in the UK it's 6psi??
2) Is a Fuel Return System necessary? I've read through and clearly no seems to be the answer, especially using the stock pulley. The understanding here is that when coming off boost the unused fuel will fluctuate the fuel pressure in the fuel rails and will back up the system?
Now I on the other hand will be running the same charger but for the ReVup, and will be using the 3.12 pulley. As far as I can see the requirement of a MAF or FRS is not require?
The question really sits with how safe is it without the uprated MAF (if required) and the FRS? Of course having ALL of the additional mods will make it safe as houses, but really if running a stock pulley and 3.12 on the revup is it really necessary?
Based on a non-revup engine using a Vortech V3 SCi Trim using the stock pulley.
1) What is the max amount of boost the OEM MAF can handle, word has it in the UK it's 6psi??
2) Is a Fuel Return System necessary? I've read through and clearly no seems to be the answer, especially using the stock pulley. The understanding here is that when coming off boost the unused fuel will fluctuate the fuel pressure in the fuel rails and will back up the system?
Now I on the other hand will be running the same charger but for the ReVup, and will be using the 3.12 pulley. As far as I can see the requirement of a MAF or FRS is not require?
The question really sits with how safe is it without the uprated MAF (if required) and the FRS? Of course having ALL of the additional mods will make it safe as houses, but really if running a stock pulley and 3.12 on the revup is it really necessary?
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Gents, I have a question. I'm buying a Vortech V3 SCi for my 06 RevUp. However, while I want to just jump straight to the 2.87" pulley upgrade and skip that whole part where I get dissatisfied with the stock 3.12" pulley, I'm looking at the math of the impeller speeds and I'm left somewhat bothered.
Originally, the step up gear ratio on this thread was reported to be 3.54. However, Vortech's website has it down as 3.6. Substituting the number from Vortech into the formula below, this is what I get:
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[5.75/SC pulley] x [upper cog pulley teeth/lower cog pulley teeth] x [3.6 x redline rpm] = impeller speed
** 5.75" = crank pulley diameter
** SC pulley = 3.33, 3.12, 2.87, 2.62 pulley etc
** REVUP kit: upper cog pulley = 34, lower = 32, jackshaft pulley = 3.12
3.6 = step up gear ratio
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## Going with the above calculations and a V3 SCi Trim, the RevUp blower will hit 49345.0 rpm at the car's 7000 rpm redline.
## Substituting in the community-recommended 2.87" pulley for the stock 3.12", the blower then hits 53643.3 rpm at redline.
The problem with all of this is that the V3 SCi Trim maximum impeller speed is 53000, which would have the 2.87" setup pushing a bit over that accepted limit if the 3.6 number is correct. I know that a lot of people here have made the 2.87 jump, and for good reasons. However, I'm left a little confused.
- Are these people just pushing beyond the limits of their superchargers in order to get the extra power?
- Or is my math up there somehow wrong?
Originally, the step up gear ratio on this thread was reported to be 3.54. However, Vortech's website has it down as 3.6. Substituting the number from Vortech into the formula below, this is what I get:
---
[5.75/SC pulley] x [upper cog pulley teeth/lower cog pulley teeth] x [3.6 x redline rpm] = impeller speed
** 5.75" = crank pulley diameter
** SC pulley = 3.33, 3.12, 2.87, 2.62 pulley etc
** REVUP kit: upper cog pulley = 34, lower = 32, jackshaft pulley = 3.12
3.6 = step up gear ratio
---
## Going with the above calculations and a V3 SCi Trim, the RevUp blower will hit 49345.0 rpm at the car's 7000 rpm redline.
## Substituting in the community-recommended 2.87" pulley for the stock 3.12", the blower then hits 53643.3 rpm at redline.
The problem with all of this is that the V3 SCi Trim maximum impeller speed is 53000, which would have the 2.87" setup pushing a bit over that accepted limit if the 3.6 number is correct. I know that a lot of people here have made the 2.87 jump, and for good reasons. However, I'm left a little confused.
- Are these people just pushing beyond the limits of their superchargers in order to get the extra power?
- Or is my math up there somehow wrong?
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Here's a couple of questions for you..... (there's 3 of us looking to step into the Vortech world at once and a few questions have popped up)
Based on a non-revup engine using a Vortech V3 SCi Trim using the stock pulley.
1) What is the max amount of boost the OEM MAF can handle, word has it in the UK it's 6psi??
2) Is a Fuel Return System necessary? I've read through and clearly no seems to be the answer, especially using the stock pulley. The understanding here is that when coming off boost the unused fuel will fluctuate the fuel pressure in the fuel rails and will back up the system?
Now I on the other hand will be running the same charger but for the ReVup, and will be using the 3.12 pulley. As far as I can see the requirement of a MAF or FRS is not require?
The question really sits with how safe is it without the uprated MAF (if required) and the FRS? Of course having ALL of the additional mods will make it safe as houses, but really if running a stock pulley and 3.12 on the revup is it really necessary?
Based on a non-revup engine using a Vortech V3 SCi Trim using the stock pulley.
1) What is the max amount of boost the OEM MAF can handle, word has it in the UK it's 6psi??
2) Is a Fuel Return System necessary? I've read through and clearly no seems to be the answer, especially using the stock pulley. The understanding here is that when coming off boost the unused fuel will fluctuate the fuel pressure in the fuel rails and will back up the system?
Now I on the other hand will be running the same charger but for the ReVup, and will be using the 3.12 pulley. As far as I can see the requirement of a MAF or FRS is not require?
The question really sits with how safe is it without the uprated MAF (if required) and the FRS? Of course having ALL of the additional mods will make it safe as houses, but really if running a stock pulley and 3.12 on the revup is it really necessary?
Gents, I have a question. I'm buying a Vortech V3 SCi for my 06 RevUp. However, while I want to just jump straight to the 2.87" pulley upgrade and skip that whole part where I get dissatisfied with the stock 3.12" pulley, I'm looking at the math of the impeller speeds and I'm left somewhat bothered.
Originally, the step up gear ratio on this thread was reported to be 3.54. However, Vortech's website has it down as 3.6. Substituting the number from Vortech into the formula below, this is what I get:
---
[5.75/SC pulley] x [upper cog pulley teeth/lower cog pulley teeth] x [3.6 x redline rpm] = impeller speed
** 5.75" = crank pulley diameter
** SC pulley = 3.33, 3.12, 2.87, 2.62 pulley etc
** REVUP kit: upper cog pulley = 34, lower = 32, jackshaft pulley = 3.12
3.6 = step up gear ratio
---
## Going with the above calculations and a V3 SCi Trim, the RevUp blower will hit 49345.0 rpm at the car's 7000 rpm redline.
## Substituting in the community-recommended 2.87" pulley for the stock 3.12", the blower then hits 53643.3 rpm at redline.
The problem with all of this is that the V3 SCi Trim maximum impeller speed is 53000, which would have the 2.87" setup pushing a bit over that accepted limit if the 3.6 number is correct. I know that a lot of people here have made the 2.87 jump, and for good reasons. However, I'm left a little confused.
- Are these people just pushing beyond the limits of their superchargers in order to get the extra power?
- Or is my math up there somehow wrong?
Originally, the step up gear ratio on this thread was reported to be 3.54. However, Vortech's website has it down as 3.6. Substituting the number from Vortech into the formula below, this is what I get:
---
[5.75/SC pulley] x [upper cog pulley teeth/lower cog pulley teeth] x [3.6 x redline rpm] = impeller speed
** 5.75" = crank pulley diameter
** SC pulley = 3.33, 3.12, 2.87, 2.62 pulley etc
** REVUP kit: upper cog pulley = 34, lower = 32, jackshaft pulley = 3.12
3.6 = step up gear ratio
---
## Going with the above calculations and a V3 SCi Trim, the RevUp blower will hit 49345.0 rpm at the car's 7000 rpm redline.
## Substituting in the community-recommended 2.87" pulley for the stock 3.12", the blower then hits 53643.3 rpm at redline.
The problem with all of this is that the V3 SCi Trim maximum impeller speed is 53000, which would have the 2.87" setup pushing a bit over that accepted limit if the 3.6 number is correct. I know that a lot of people here have made the 2.87 jump, and for good reasons. However, I'm left a little confused.
- Are these people just pushing beyond the limits of their superchargers in order to get the extra power?
- Or is my math up there somehow wrong?
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Had to double post, but that information regarding the FRS....
Here is the post I was referring to:
https://my350z.com/forum/7062353-post15.html
And the thread:
https://my350z.com/forum/product-ann...-0-system.html
I hope this helps you make a decision!
Here is the post I was referring to:
https://my350z.com/forum/7062353-post15.html
And the thread:
https://my350z.com/forum/product-ann...-0-system.html
I hope this helps you make a decision!
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Thanks for the response - so in basic terms with low boost it's not essential, but with using a FRS it will eleviate any potential issues that 'could' arise but as said if funds are available to go for it.
Any further info on the MAF would be helpful.
Any further info on the MAF would be helpful.
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Its less than a second in most cases! Even with me running my car to 7350 rpms, I am still under 2 seconds each time im redlining the car. I dont redline it all the time, so the time spent in over spin mode is VERY low. But because my engine has an 8200 rpm limit, i did upgrade to High Speed Bearings! I am also running the upgraded Ttrim, not the true Ttrim so the 928 bearings will fit on the bottom side. Stuck with Vortech not Heavy Duty but heavier than OEM set up bearings on the outside.
Some tires rated at 120mph. I have hit that plenty of times. Does that mean they are going to explode? Not if I hit it for a second then go back down to acceptible temps.
its all about how long with the blower/bearings be in overdrive!
not much for most cars....even on 3rd gear track days. I am well under redline when running 3rd gear all day. lol.
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I believe your answer is partially correct. The impeller is trim specific. It was designed to fit a S-Trim volute. V2 and V3's, amongst other blowers, come/came in S-Trims.
So to answer the original question, the 928M impeller will work with a V2 blower, if and only if it has a S-Trim volute.
See my answer above.
So to answer the original question, the 928M impeller will work with a V2 blower, if and only if it has a S-Trim volute.
See my answer above.
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