Performance Factory saves you guys money (stock block boosted cars)
05-30-2007, 05:45 AM
#201
Originally Posted by doug
i thought he was running 435 whp with about 11 PSI.. when i thought of his times i thought of berto's car.. he ran 11.8 @ 114 mph.. but he only had 400 whp..
a part from berto i don't remember seeing any times for any other TN cars
a part from berto i don't remember seeing any times for any other TN cars
Numbers above were 38Xwhp SAE corrected best trap of 116mph in summer.
I launched conservative as I did not have a shop backing me with my racing, car had more in it.
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05-30-2007, 05:57 AM
#202
Originally Posted by taurran
Your point? That's exactly what I said. .
Originally Posted by doug
you said so yourself..
Originally Posted by taurran
The fact is you said that AJ's car made the "most" power out of any Turbonetics ST car. That statement was wrong. Even Jetpilot's car was making more power. Lets move on.
05-30-2007, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by doug
peak numbers don't mean **** .. you said so yourself.. who cares if the car made 1000 whp at 7000 rpms when it was at 300 by 6000 rpms.. any car with a healthier power band is going to be faster
05-30-2007, 07:07 AM
#205
Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
while i agree in principle with what you say.... with out being so radical as saying @ 6000rpms i could also argue with you with this dyno sheet... not the smooth all the way power of twis but this car is way way way faster on the drag with a power curve like this vs other cars with same similar whp #s
05-30-2007, 07:50 AM
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AJs car ran that 11.5 with 10 pounds of boost, it made around 400 sae hp with that so its about the same as albertos for the most part, if alberto would have had a few more runs i am sure he would have bettered his times. especially if he took some lessons in launching from the pros 
that was on 10 pounds of boost, we are now running 11 to 12 on his car all day, it will boost higher in 5th gear closer to 2 more psi but i told him not to floor it in 5th and just keep it in 1st through 4th for safety reasons.
we are going to the track this friday on race gas and see what we can get it to do. should be fun!!
that was on 10 pounds of boost, we are now running 11 to 12 on his car all day, it will boost higher in 5th gear closer to 2 more psi but i told him not to floor it in 5th and just keep it in 1st through 4th for safety reasons.
we are going to the track this friday on race gas and see what we can get it to do. should be fun!!
05-30-2007, 10:16 AM
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The argument/s of a fuel return system vs. one, which is deadheaded, has been interesting but there is no consensus. From my understanding a return system provides one clear advantage, which is that it helps keep air bubbles out of the rail. Bubbles are created by turbulence around fittings and heat. If enough are present in the rail vapor lock may be the outcome. If less their effect is only to alter the A/F. As heat, pressure and flow volume increase so does the potential for their creation. There is no hard and fast rule that I know of as to when a return system should be employed except that they are considered to be the best system available for DFI.
The other argument often expressed is that a re-circulating system provides a more constant fuel pressure at the individual injectors. This, while possible in theory, may only account for pressure differences too small to measure with commercial gauges. Fuel entering a rail at X pressure supplies multiple injectors so it reasonable to expect that some pressure drop however small will occur at the last injector but I believe that would be the case regardless if the rail was dead heated or open for return to the tank IMO.
The other argument often expressed is that a re-circulating system provides a more constant fuel pressure at the individual injectors. This, while possible in theory, may only account for pressure differences too small to measure with commercial gauges. Fuel entering a rail at X pressure supplies multiple injectors so it reasonable to expect that some pressure drop however small will occur at the last injector but I believe that would be the case regardless if the rail was dead heated or open for return to the tank IMO.
05-30-2007, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Who's the one bragging now?
Good for you. I too have retirement (401K and IRA's), 2 kids with a 3rd on the way, pre-paid college funds, two mortgages, 3 car payments, but I never brought them up until now that you decided to call me out.
What's your point? I never bragged about my money. All I said is I can afford to do chit the right way right off the bat. I am sorry you can't go big with your car like you would like too.
Good for you. I too have retirement (401K and IRA's), 2 kids with a 3rd on the way, pre-paid college funds, two mortgages, 3 car payments, but I never brought them up until now that you decided to call me out.
What's your point? I never bragged about my money. All I said is I can afford to do chit the right way right off the bat. I am sorry you can't go big with your car like you would like too.
I just see you talking about how much money you've spent on your car, post after post, and it gets old. Would I love to have your car? Absolutely. But I've got other responsibilities that will likely prevent me from ever going forced induction.
I know you don't care about anything I say, but I've got a recommendation. Spend less time talking about your money and ******* others for not doing it your way, and spend more time talking up your car. Your car is good enough that you don't need to hold it up with your money as a prop.
05-31-2007, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
No bragging here slick. I didn't say I had all that crap taken care of, I just listed them as responsibilities.
I just see you talking about how much money you've spent on your car, post after post, and it gets old. Would I love to have your car? Absolutely. But I've got other responsibilities that will likely prevent me from ever going forced induction.
I know you don't care about anything I say, but I've got a recommendation. Spend less time talking about your money and ******* others for not doing it your way, and spend more time talking up your car. Your car is good enough that you don't need to hold it up with your money as a prop.
I just see you talking about how much money you've spent on your car, post after post, and it gets old. Would I love to have your car? Absolutely. But I've got other responsibilities that will likely prevent me from ever going forced induction.
I know you don't care about anything I say, but I've got a recommendation. Spend less time talking about your money and ******* others for not doing it your way, and spend more time talking up your car. Your car is good enough that you don't need to hold it up with your money as a prop.
I didn't say anywhere that those things were taken car of either only that I have them too. You're not the only one with responsibilities. You think you are special?
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06-06-2007, 02:02 PM
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So I just fininished reading the whole thread. Lots of great information in the first half, a bunch of useless posts in the second half 
Regarding the subject, STOCK BLOCKS running moderate to low hp (~350~410whp)... I actually seem to agree with most of the vendors here.
I agree with Jeremy on not *needing* a RFS on a stock block with, lets say 400 whp.
(On a built block, or even a stock block, running high hp (more than 430whp), I agree with Jeremy, Shariff, Sam, etc. I would definately run a RFS on such a built high hp engine . It just seems as if many were taking Jeremy's words out of context. This isn't the main topic anyhow)
It sucks because many seem to be disregarding the main reason for this thread: Performance Factory trying to save money for customers running stock blocks with low to moderate hp.
As for me, in the future
, I plan on doing the Vortech Tuner Kit (revup), UTEC, DW 550c Walbro 255 fuel pump, on stock block running about low 400whp. I think as long as the tune is fine, I will be on the *safe* side (not that FI is safe to begin with).
(If I end up having the cash at the time of installation, I will do the RFS at once since I plan on going with a built engine with higher HP... in the far away future, atleast a year after running on the stock block. )
Eh, well I still have a while left until I face the issues regarding FI
Can't wait!
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Regarding the subject, STOCK BLOCKS running moderate to low hp (~350~410whp)... I actually seem to agree with most of the vendors here.
I agree with Jeremy on not *needing* a RFS on a stock block with, lets say 400 whp.
(On a built block, or even a stock block, running high hp (more than 430whp), I agree with Jeremy, Shariff, Sam, etc. I would definately run a RFS on such a built high hp engine . It just seems as if many were taking Jeremy's words out of context. This isn't the main topic anyhow)
It sucks because many seem to be disregarding the main reason for this thread: Performance Factory trying to save money for customers running stock blocks with low to moderate hp.
As for me, in the future
, I plan on doing the Vortech Tuner Kit (revup), UTEC, DW 550c Walbro 255 fuel pump, on stock block running about low 400whp. I think as long as the tune is fine, I will be on the *safe* side (not that FI is safe to begin with).(If I end up having the cash at the time of installation, I will do the RFS at once since I plan on going with a built engine with higher HP... in the far away future, atleast a year after running on the stock block.
)Eh, well I still have a while left until I face the issues regarding FI
Can't wait!
.
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