New Hks Supercharger V2
Well, I am not doing or planning to do any FI in the short term, but what I hear and see is that usually turbo setups have reliability issues... so it seems to go like this (it is how I see it, please refrain from slapping me in the face for my opinion 
):
NA: Ultra-Reliable / Slowest
SC: Reliable / Fast
ST: Less reliable / Much faster
TT: Much less reliable / Much more faster
Are these basic appreciations wrong? This is just the nature of the things themselves, not including regular tuning, maintenance, support parts, etc... just a kind of down-to-earth comparision between reliability and power.
C.
):NA: Ultra-Reliable / Slowest
SC: Reliable / Fast
ST: Less reliable / Much faster
TT: Much less reliable / Much more faster
Are these basic appreciations wrong? This is just the nature of the things themselves, not including regular tuning, maintenance, support parts, etc... just a kind of down-to-earth comparision between reliability and power.
C.
Originally Posted by CarlosCh
Well, I am not doing or planning to do any FI in the short term, but what I hear and see is that usually turbo setups have reliability issues... so it seems to go like this (it is how I see it, please refrain from slapping me in the face for my opinion ):
NA: Ultra-Reliable / Slowest
SC: Reliable / Fast
ST: Less reliable / Much faster
TT: Much less reliable / Much more faster
Are these basic appreciations wrong? This is just the nature of the things themselves, not including regular tuning, maintenance, support parts, etc... just a kind of down-to-earth comparision between reliability and power.
C.
):NA: Ultra-Reliable / Slowest
SC: Reliable / Fast
ST: Less reliable / Much faster
TT: Much less reliable / Much more faster
Are these basic appreciations wrong? This is just the nature of the things themselves, not including regular tuning, maintenance, support parts, etc... just a kind of down-to-earth comparision between reliability and power.
C.
That looks good to me.. hehe
Originally Posted by CarlosCh
NA: Ultra-Reliable / Slowest
SC: Reliable / Fast
ST: Less reliable / Much faster
TT: Much less reliable / Much more faster
SC: Reliable / Fast
ST: Less reliable / Much faster
TT: Much less reliable / Much more faster
I posted the article here: https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/280282-new-hks-supercharger-article.html
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Nuthuggers are funny. Any reason to justify the hanging.
The reason why other kits, mostly turbos, are perceived as un-reliable, is because they are sooooooooo easy to increase outputs. T into a vac line and u have double the power. There are also so many combination of parts and so easily customised. And there are just as many people out there willing to push there motors in persuit of whatever (dynoqueens, respect, speed, bragging rights).
You are blind my friend. You are blinded by the HKS bling. You need to get back to basics. What is FI. Go read up. HKS didnt invent it.
The reason why other kits, mostly turbos, are perceived as un-reliable, is because they are sooooooooo easy to increase outputs. T into a vac line and u have double the power. There are also so many combination of parts and so easily customised. And there are just as many people out there willing to push there motors in persuit of whatever (dynoqueens, respect, speed, bragging rights).
You are blind my friend. You are blinded by the HKS bling. You need to get back to basics. What is FI. Go read up. HKS didnt invent it.
Originally Posted by Weqster
Nuthuggers are funny. Any reason to justify the hanging.
The reason why other kits, mostly turbos, are perceived as un-reliable, is because they are sooooooooo easy to increase outputs. T into a vac line and u have double the power. There are also so many combination of parts and so easily customised. And there are just as many people out there willing to push there motors in persuit of whatever (dynoqueens, respect, speed, bragging rights).
You are blind my friend. You are blinded by the HKS bling. You need to get back to basics. What is FI. Go read up. HKS didnt invent it.
The reason why other kits, mostly turbos, are perceived as un-reliable, is because they are sooooooooo easy to increase outputs. T into a vac line and u have double the power. There are also so many combination of parts and so easily customised. And there are just as many people out there willing to push there motors in persuit of whatever (dynoqueens, respect, speed, bragging rights).
You are blind my friend. You are blinded by the HKS bling. You need to get back to basics. What is FI. Go read up. HKS didnt invent it.
Well put!
Originally Posted by Weqster
Nuthuggers are funny. Any reason to justify the hanging.
The reason why other kits, mostly turbos, are perceived as un-reliable, is because they are sooooooooo easy to increase outputs. T into a vac line and u have double the power. There are also so many combination of parts and so easily customised. And there are just as many people out there willing to push there motors in persuit of whatever (dynoqueens, respect, speed, bragging rights).
You are blind my friend. You are blinded by the HKS bling. You need to get back to basics. What is FI. Go read up. HKS didnt invent it.
The reason why other kits, mostly turbos, are perceived as un-reliable, is because they are sooooooooo easy to increase outputs. T into a vac line and u have double the power. There are also so many combination of parts and so easily customised. And there are just as many people out there willing to push there motors in persuit of whatever (dynoqueens, respect, speed, bragging rights).
You are blind my friend. You are blinded by the HKS bling. You need to get back to basics. What is FI. Go read up. HKS didnt invent it.
Here in Europe it just isn't viable to have a power monster as a daily driver (which is what mine will be). Firstly i can't get it tuned regularly to keep it good. Secondly, here in Europe we don't enjoy the 'free fuel' you get in the states. Here it's 1.1 Euros per litre, which is 5.6 dollars the gallon. Oil costs around 60 bucks for 4 litres, and i'm talking about the mass produced stuff like Mobil 1. So you see, you guys do have it much cheaper to start with.
Oh and not to mention you guys pay 30 grand for a Z, and here we pay close to 60.
Oh and not to mention you guys pay 30 grand for a Z, and here we pay close to 60.
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Have u even run a HKS kit before? On any car??
Have u ever run a car that was NA, to FI???
Im guessing, NO to both questions.
Are your trying to tell me and other people, that the HKS kit is;
1) Best on fuel economy out of the box.
2) All OTHER FI kits require a retune every "little while".
3) Its the safest.
4) It is good value.
I say it once again. Blinded by the HKS light.
Im going to make one constructive point. Even though the HKS kit does not come with any form of fuel management/ecu, if u require spot on fuel economy (which translates to savings at the pump) and maximal safety, ANY kit you buy will need a custom tune. So many factors including elevation, temps, octane, supporting mods, engine condition etc etc are involved.
PS. Ive run HKS kits on two on my previous cars. There is nothing wrong with them. But please, please, spare us the sales pitch. U are overpaying. There are better options out there. And yes, these options suit your application. Fullstop.
Have u ever run a car that was NA, to FI???
Im guessing, NO to both questions.
Are your trying to tell me and other people, that the HKS kit is;
1) Best on fuel economy out of the box.
2) All OTHER FI kits require a retune every "little while".
3) Its the safest.
4) It is good value.
I say it once again. Blinded by the HKS light.
Im going to make one constructive point. Even though the HKS kit does not come with any form of fuel management/ecu, if u require spot on fuel economy (which translates to savings at the pump) and maximal safety, ANY kit you buy will need a custom tune. So many factors including elevation, temps, octane, supporting mods, engine condition etc etc are involved.
PS. Ive run HKS kits on two on my previous cars. There is nothing wrong with them. But please, please, spare us the sales pitch. U are overpaying. There are better options out there. And yes, these options suit your application. Fullstop.
Originally Posted by Weqster
Have u even run a HKS kit before? On any car??
Have u ever run a car that was NA, to FI???
Im guessing, NO to both questions.
Are your trying to tell me and other people, that the HKS kit is;
1) Best on fuel economy out of the box.
2) All OTHER FI kits require a retune every "little while".
3) Its the safest.
4) It is good value.
I say it once again. Blinded by the HKS light.
Im going to make one constructive point. Even though the HKS kit does not come with any form of fuel management/ecu, if u require spot on fuel economy (which translates to savings at the pump) and maximal safety, ANY kit you buy will need a custom tune. So many factors including elevation, temps, octane, supporting mods, engine condition etc etc are involved.
PS. Ive run HKS kits on two on my previous cars. There is nothing wrong with them. But please, please, spare us the sales pitch. U are overpaying. There are better options out there. And yes, these options suit your application. Fullstop.
Have u ever run a car that was NA, to FI???
Im guessing, NO to both questions.
Are your trying to tell me and other people, that the HKS kit is;
1) Best on fuel economy out of the box.
2) All OTHER FI kits require a retune every "little while".
3) Its the safest.
4) It is good value.
I say it once again. Blinded by the HKS light.
Im going to make one constructive point. Even though the HKS kit does not come with any form of fuel management/ecu, if u require spot on fuel economy (which translates to savings at the pump) and maximal safety, ANY kit you buy will need a custom tune. So many factors including elevation, temps, octane, supporting mods, engine condition etc etc are involved.
PS. Ive run HKS kits on two on my previous cars. There is nothing wrong with them. But please, please, spare us the sales pitch. U are overpaying. There are better options out there. And yes, these options suit your application. Fullstop.
There's no sales pitch here, i couldn't give a flying *** if you get the kit or not. I just don't like it when this thread was made to inform more about the new kit, and then people just come on it to bash the kit.
And just to clear things up, i have a opel astra 1.8 that was NA, and that is now turbo charged, and i also own a 200SX with a CA18DET which i am currently turning into a time attack car, which will be running an HKS GT28 turbo. I also think HKS's quality is of the best in the industry, that's why i am happy to pay the price, maybe because i am fortunate enough to afford it.
HKS has good quality but they are a bit overpriced. I would have to disagree with the Rotrex being junk. From what I have seen they have exceptional quality on the construction of their SC's and I believe they have output shaft speeds reaching almost 250,000 now. That is quite amazing.
^^^ This is the first time I heard someone that goes to time attack, tune cars complain about FI kits that use too much gas and tuning costs too much money.
Bottom line.. if you're gonna get a Z and go FI, you should not worry about fuel economy to begin with? They really conflict each other a lot don't you think?
Bottom line.. if you're gonna get a Z and go FI, you should not worry about fuel economy to begin with? They really conflict each other a lot don't you think?
Last edited by bb1314; Jun 19, 2007 at 07:14 AM.
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I agree with you on that. Unless you buy a Z for to just cruise even a stock one doesn't get the best gas milage and the Estimated MPG is not for romping on your car and actually driving it.
I agree with you on that. Unless you buy a Z for to just cruise even a stock one doesn't get the best gas milage and the Estimated MPG is not for romping on your car and actually driving it.
Ok, Ok you got me there, i don't really care about gas mileage. Even so, worrying about the gas mileage of a daily driver isn't the same as a car that will only see that track twice a month.
Originally Posted by Robert_K
Not everyone is into drag racing and there is too much power. For example Auto-X. 360rwhp is perfect for the Z. However I've read on the other forum that the new HKS SC should produce around 450ish rwhp.
Therefore
450 PS = ~ 443.7 hp
Keep in mind this is crank hp, not wheel hp. So, what you're trying to say as being advertised as "450whp" is actually roughly 370whp. These are manufacturer claims, which are usually inflated to a certain degree. I see this kit making little or no more power more than the old one.
I know someone that had the original HKS Rotrex SC on their Z. When I asked them how they liked the setup, they said the regretted buying it because it barely felt faster than stock. That's the only feedback I've heard on these units in person.
Last edited by taurran; Jun 19, 2007 at 09:20 AM.
I was hoping to find out more info on the HKS supercharger on this thread. Bad idea. Yesterday I was excited to read taurran's thread on his Turbonetics build hoping to learn more about it...but it got hijacked with 10 pages of juvenille banter. This forum would really meet the needs/desires of a lot of folks if people posted their opinions, observations, and hard facts and left their fragile egos and low self esteem at home.
Having said that I think there is a lot of value in evaluating each FI system based on its merits and in comparison with other systems. I suspect that even with the lower output and relatively high price the HKS may have some characteristics that appeal to some folks. Reliability? Smooth power delivery? Plug and play?
Truth is I don't know because we waste so much time on these forums measuring appendages. Can we get this thread back on track? I'm really interested to learn all the pros and cons to this system.
Having said that I think there is a lot of value in evaluating each FI system based on its merits and in comparison with other systems. I suspect that even with the lower output and relatively high price the HKS may have some characteristics that appeal to some folks. Reliability? Smooth power delivery? Plug and play?
Truth is I don't know because we waste so much time on these forums measuring appendages. Can we get this thread back on track? I'm really interested to learn all the pros and cons to this system.
Originally Posted by hunter6
I was hoping to find out more info on the HKS supercharger on this thread. Bad idea. Yesterday I was excited to read taurran's thread on his Turbonetics build hoping to learn more about it...but it got hijacked with 10 pages of juvenille banter. This forum would really meet the needs/desires of a lot of folks if people posted their opinions, observations, and hard facts and left their fragile egos and low self esteem at home.
Having said that I think there is a lot of value in evaluating each FI system based on its merits and in comparison with other systems. I suspect that even with the lower output and relatively high price the HKS may have some characteristics that appeal to some folks. Reliability? Smooth power delivery? Plug and play?
Truth is I don't know because we waste so much time on these forums measuring appendages. Can we get this thread back on track? I'm really interested to learn all the pros and cons to this system.
Having said that I think there is a lot of value in evaluating each FI system based on its merits and in comparison with other systems. I suspect that even with the lower output and relatively high price the HKS may have some characteristics that appeal to some folks. Reliability? Smooth power delivery? Plug and play?
Truth is I don't know because we waste so much time on these forums measuring appendages. Can we get this thread back on track? I'm really interested to learn all the pros and cons to this system.