So, with the APS TT what is the max hp potential?
Originally Posted by jining
sweet thanks for the help, yea I would prefer a more complete kit.
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Originally Posted by jining
This would also be an option correct, the tuner kit + the extreme fuel system? That would basically be an extreme kit though wouldnt it...?
Hmm well if I got the tuner kit + the exterme fuel its only 500 less then the extreme kit :0) ****.. 9k!!! Would the extreme fit in a g35? The aps website doesnt mention it..
Originally Posted by jining
Hmm well if I got the tuner kit + the exterme fuel its only 500 less then the extreme kit :0) ****.. 9k!!! Would the extreme fit in a g35? The aps website doesnt mention it..
ok, ive made a decision. I cant spend 9k on a turbo kit. I think I might just go Single APS turbo... For about 6k, what would the best turbo kit be in your guys opinions? JWT TT? Single APS? Turbonetics? Thank you so much.
Originally Posted by jining
Man going FI is a pain in the ***! ive been reading nonstop for the past week! like 6 hours a day :0/ and still cant find the best solution...
The JWT kit is kind of a stock block only type of setup unless you opt for the 700bb turbos. the JWT kit has very limited HP potential with the base turbos. It really doesn't include a proper fuel system and IMHO the ems that is included is not even up to par with the unichip that everyone likes to badmouth. The jwt kit uses very similar turbos to the APS setup, though smaller and with considerably less HP potential. around 500 whp of flow max even with a built motor. With the JWT setup, it has to be bought and installed at an authorized JWT dealer.
Out of all the kits, I would go with the greddy or APS. I don't really care for the JWT - from what I can see, the quality just isn't there. The kit has medusa style piping setup with lots of sharp bends.... and they price it similarly to the APS, which IMHO the APS offers more for the money. The greddy can be supplemented to make a very nice kit and for roughly the same amount of money as a comparable APS setup.
If you are going with a built motor out of the shoot, go with the xtreme APS setup.
Thanks for the input, so.. if i was to get an APS single turbo and later build a short block gradually and then swap it out maybe in a year or two, do you think I could hit 500rwhp? Also, what kind of gains should I expect with the APS single on a stock block, realistically.
Also, APS Single VS Turbonetics?
Also, APS Single VS Turbonetics?
Zivman, I was debating back and forth b/w APS and JWT and went w/ JWT 700bb tuner kit last month mostly because of US support (vs. Australian). I'd not heard of any quality issues with the JWT and both FP and GTM have had only positive things to say (about the 700BB tuner kit).
Originally Posted by jining
ok, ive made a decision. I cant spend 9k on a turbo kit. I think I might just go Single APS turbo... For about 6k, what would the best turbo kit be in your guys opinions? JWT TT? Single APS? Turbonetics? Thank you so much.
It comes down to the APS or TN and IMHO that is a no brainer type decision.
The TN IMHO is junk. completely messed up design. the routing of the piping completely ruins the kit. The IC is basically a waste because of the location of the turbo. The cold pipe off the IC passes right passed it and heats up the intake track again. I think some shops report 15 celcius higher temps with the TN setup vs other turbo setups. This means it is harder to tune, more chance of detonation, etc. Not to mention the risk of melted AC lines due to the dump pipe routing. If you ever attempt more power down the road, you are going to be limited by the dump off the turbo. I could go on, but basically a flawed setup
Originally Posted by jining
Thanks for the input, so.. if i was to get an APS single turbo and later build a short block gradually and then swap it out maybe in a year or two, do you think I could hit 500rwhp? Also, what kind of gains should I expect with the APS single on a stock block, realistically.
Also, APS Single VS Turbonetics?
Also, APS Single VS Turbonetics?
if you have plans to build your motor eventually.. stay N/A till you can afford a Greddy TT or an APS Extreme.. otherwise you will end up selling your APS ST kit for next to nothing and be upset about it
Originally Posted by rcdash
Zivman, I was debating back and forth b/w APS and JWT and went w/ JWT 700bb tuner kit last month mostly because of US support (vs. Australian). I'd not heard of any quality issues with the JWT and both FP and GTM have had only positive things to say (about the 700BB tuner kit).
I am just comparing the quality of the kit compared to what I saw with my APS setup. I don't feel the JWT setup is comparable to the APS, even though they are priced comparably. Here is a run down I did back in the day:
not digging the following on the kit:
oil pan spacer rather than replacement oil pan:
the awkward and sharp angles the piping takes out of the FMIC
Replacement of the washer resevoir with a smaller one - how do you go about filling it? - I would assume your retain the stock filler?
also in this pic, your impact beam is bent?
I don't like the cross over pipe in front of the motor. I would think if you ever wanted to go with a larger radiator, it would require modifying the fan shrowds - though it may not. Also it seems like an extraoidinary about of couplers used.
what looks good to me:
a single air filter in an easily accessable area. Placing the maf before the turbo will allow easier and more reliable tuning using the maf since it will be less inclined to max out like we see on the TN. Though with a setup like a unichip or utec this is a mute point. None the less, it will provide those with low to moderate boost better tuning than if it was placed in the charge pipe and attempting to do a maf based tune.
Fast spooling turbos - same series we see in the APS TT setup, though I have been told they "reconstructed a better compressor housing resulting in less lag and heat" To what extent we will see an improvement over APS' setup, time will tell
other things up in the air:
-Split Second EMS - not the best IMO
-fuel return - sounds like this is an addition to the kit as base kits are running larger fuel pump (boost controled) on stock injectors
-price - rumor is it is supposed to be around 7 grand. If that ends up being the price I would expect at least the style fuel system included in the APS setup, with injectors. Also a better ems in case I get to the point I want to run boost beyond the point the maf maxes out (I understand one can also run a larger maf housing if this happens) and also an EMS that has boost control capabilities
-with the FMIC, what happens to the PS cooler?
I am sure all the specs will come out in time, but just my initial thoughts on the kit
oil pan spacer rather than replacement oil pan:
the awkward and sharp angles the piping takes out of the FMIC
Replacement of the washer resevoir with a smaller one - how do you go about filling it? - I would assume your retain the stock filler?
also in this pic, your impact beam is bent?
I don't like the cross over pipe in front of the motor. I would think if you ever wanted to go with a larger radiator, it would require modifying the fan shrowds - though it may not. Also it seems like an extraoidinary about of couplers used.
what looks good to me:
a single air filter in an easily accessable area. Placing the maf before the turbo will allow easier and more reliable tuning using the maf since it will be less inclined to max out like we see on the TN. Though with a setup like a unichip or utec this is a mute point. None the less, it will provide those with low to moderate boost better tuning than if it was placed in the charge pipe and attempting to do a maf based tune.
Fast spooling turbos - same series we see in the APS TT setup, though I have been told they "reconstructed a better compressor housing resulting in less lag and heat" To what extent we will see an improvement over APS' setup, time will tell
other things up in the air:
-Split Second EMS - not the best IMO
-fuel return - sounds like this is an addition to the kit as base kits are running larger fuel pump (boost controled) on stock injectors
-price - rumor is it is supposed to be around 7 grand. If that ends up being the price I would expect at least the style fuel system included in the APS setup, with injectors. Also a better ems in case I get to the point I want to run boost beyond the point the maf maxes out (I understand one can also run a larger maf housing if this happens) and also an EMS that has boost control capabilities
-with the FMIC, what happens to the PS cooler?
I am sure all the specs will come out in time, but just my initial thoughts on the kit
Originally Posted by jining
Thanks for the input, so.. if i was to get an APS single turbo and later build a short block gradually and then swap it out maybe in a year or two, do you think I could hit 500rwhp? Also, what kind of gains should I expect with the APS single on a stock block, realistically.
Also, APS Single VS Turbonetics?
Also, APS Single VS Turbonetics?
Originally Posted by doug
don't buy an APS ST Kit then build your motor later..
if you have plans to build your motor eventually.. stay N/A till you can afford a Greddy TT or an APS Extreme.. otherwise you will end up selling your APS ST kit for next to nothing and be upset about it
if you have plans to build your motor eventually.. stay N/A till you can afford a Greddy TT or an APS Extreme.. otherwise you will end up selling your APS ST kit for next to nothing and be upset about it