Well, a greddy TT is basically the same price as a APS ST i believe.. i just dont want to buy all those supporting mods for it :0/

what gains am I to expect with the ST on a stock block @ stock boost, which i assume is 8Ib?

APS ST vs Greddy TT? APS is better quality correct? Obviously I wont get the same gains though..

So confused!!!!!!!!!!! To be honest, there is no way in hell I could wait to go FI and build my motor at the same time, I think I would go nuts in anticipation for boost... I know its bad.

 

The APS single and the greddy TT aren't comparable. The greddy really shines on a built setup, while the APS is in its prime on a stockish block type setup.

The APS ST will run you 360-380 whp on around 8 psi. Even with a single, you have to keep it in the back of your mind that your motor might let go and a build will be needed; possibly sooner than later. Don't think for second, a single is 'safer' than a twin setup. boost is boost and your motor might not take kindly to any. At this point, my best advise to you is get the APS twin setup on your stock block. at least you will have a complete setup out of box and still have decent HP potential down the road.

 

zivman,

thanks for the post - very nicely illustrated. I see what you mean about the FMIC, but some of the issues look to be install related (like the bent cross member).

i actually favored the JWT unit because of the twin intercooler design (I have a G35 and liked the stock bumper/sleeper look). The piping is a bit different on the G.

i definitely like the APS oil pan better. Oh well, I'll put my trust in my builder and hope for the best at this point. You just have to make a decision at some point - we'll see if there are any regrets a few months down the road...

 

The pan is just one thing. If the JWT price accounted for things like the pan, it would be one thing. I think you are getting a lesser EMS, no boost control, a diverter valve vs a BOV, a less than desirable fuel system, spacer vs replacement pan, a cobbled replacement washer resevoir (actually hoping what is in the picture is not still be supplied with the kit)... and all for roughly the same money as the APS

 

Hmmm very true... **** back at square one... Ok... i suppose I will just get the standard APS TT kit at this point for ~$7500. I should be able to stay under my budget of 10k after install. Basically, if I were to get the standard kit, later on down the road if I chose to build my motor, I would need to upgrade injectors and what else?

 

That's why I went w/ the tuner kit + UTEC + boost solenoid + CJM.

The BOV is another thing I wasn't interested in (wanted it as quiet as possible - sacrilege I know).

 

you also need a clutch, test pipes, exhaust, and you might want to invest in a wideband AFR gauge and boost gauge right away.

When and if you build the motor:
new EMS and new boost control
upgrade to forge actuators
New fuel system along with injectors

 

basically you are looking at $3,000 more than the cost of the kit

 

well, i have testpipes and exhaust already, so basically clutch + Gauges

 

Well, i think im going to stick with the standard aps kit then, perhaps in the future i will upgrade but for now I think that will be fine and keep me under 10k.

 

Jining, stop asking stupid questions and just read the dang forum, lol. There's not a single question you've asked that isn't answered in the first 5 pages of the FI forum. This thread gave me a headache. Plus, you've changed your mind like 10 times just today.

/thread.

 

Sorry for the trouble. Trying to get other peoples opinions.

 

I understand. But form your own opinions by researching, not just having 15 people throw out their opinions on how you should spend your money.

Just in the last few hours, you've gone from APS TT to JWT to Greddy to APS ST and TN.

But if you want my opinion (cause I've been there), get the reg APS TT kit for now. When it comes time to build your motor, sell the APS fuel system and Unichip and upgrade to CJM stage II, larger injectors, and FCON.

 

Thanks ill take that into consideration. I was leaning that way. Right now im actually having a harder time finding an installer around the seattle area. Im getting quotes upwards of 3k for install.. does that sound right?!

 

Valid question. I personally think that's a bit high, even with tuning included. GRD does installs/tuning for $2500. Unless their prices went up in the last couple of years...

 

Hmmm I emailed GTM prolly gona drive down there... **** the seattle scene man no one around here seems to be able to do TT APS or any FI for that matter lol.. best experience I can find is someone whos done a FEW greddy TT installs, and one shop has done maybe 2 APS TT installs but they definitely dont like doing business because they dont return phone calls... so frustrated!!!

I wonder what the downtime is... maybe ill just wait down there until its done and drive it back up, LOL