Relentless Autosports is NOT VRT, the way it all went down
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
I will be happy to openly discuss any topics they feel they need to discuss. As sponsors and vendors we all share notes, share trade secrets and debate products and topics.They would be welcomed with opened arms into the group of vendors and join the discussion with the best of them.
At that time they will be entitled to post whatever they wish and clear up whatever they wish.As of now, the mere fact they are allowed to shamelessly plug their shop,name and services as well as achievements, is not fair to the rest of the paying sponsors.
I personally have NEVER seen this much lack of action be taken on anyone who attempt to sell them selves on here.
At that time they will be entitled to post whatever they wish and clear up whatever they wish.As of now, the mere fact they are allowed to shamelessly plug their shop,name and services as well as achievements, is not fair to the rest of the paying sponsors.
I personally have NEVER seen this much lack of action be taken on anyone who attempt to sell them selves on here.
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Originally Posted by Reality350
I think MRC, has a valid arguement. I am very surprised that other vendors have not voiced there's.
As another vendor here already stated, "you have to pay to play"
As another vendor here already stated, "you have to pay to play"
I can go and paypal money and pay the sponsorship for RA for a month so he can post all he wants, but its just going to be a band-aid fix. Its not going to please anyone in the long run...
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Originally Posted by SpoilsofWar
First person to post a verifiable address of RA's shop gets $20 paypal'ed from me.
DoubleDown350Z.com
6969 Speedway Blvd. Suite 110
Las Vegas, NV 89115
(702) 250-8483
Relentless Autosports
I was asked to remove the address because it's really his home address...
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Ok well I have gotten permission from Scott to post the addresses of the shops that Relentless works out of.
Shop #1: The start-up shop owned by head mechanic Mark Brent. This is where most of the work is done out of currently.
14830-B Old Highway 80
El Cajon, CA 92021
Shop #2: The future shop. This shop is owned by Scott's dad and they will be leasing a wing of it from him in the near future. As soon as they have the time and money to move in there for good, Mark's shop will be used for overflow storage.
25 E. 17th St.
National City, CA 91950
Shop #3: My shop. Since Relentless has a large customer base in Vegas, thare are going to periodically be working out of my shop here. And yes, when that time comes, they will set up a Nevada LLC and get a Nevada business license.
6969 Speedway Blvd. #110
Las Vegas, NV 89115
Feel free to go take all of the picture you like and drop by the Vegas address if you are in town for SEMA. I know you don't need the addresses to the future shops at all, but I just want to cover all bases
Shop #1: The start-up shop owned by head mechanic Mark Brent. This is where most of the work is done out of currently.
14830-B Old Highway 80
El Cajon, CA 92021
Shop #2: The future shop. This shop is owned by Scott's dad and they will be leasing a wing of it from him in the near future. As soon as they have the time and money to move in there for good, Mark's shop will be used for overflow storage.
25 E. 17th St.
National City, CA 91950
Shop #3: My shop. Since Relentless has a large customer base in Vegas, thare are going to periodically be working out of my shop here. And yes, when that time comes, they will set up a Nevada LLC and get a Nevada business license.
6969 Speedway Blvd. #110
Las Vegas, NV 89115
Feel free to go take all of the picture you like and drop by the Vegas address if you are in town for SEMA. I know you don't need the addresses to the future shops at all, but I just want to cover all bases
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Originally Posted by fallenromeo
Wow you, sharif, Julian...you guys are so selective. You insist on beating the hell out of this and bringing up all this stuff that has already been resolved. So let me set the record straight as I am not a customer of any of you. I read the threads, here is what I saw.
The build sheet. You guys insist on throwing that at Scott when it has been said numerous times, Scott didn't make the build sheet! Noah did. He took responsibility, explained it, it was all cleared up. Scott didn't do the build sheet you guys insist on blaming him for. Stop trashing him because your selective reading allows you to overlook the facts.
You guys love to stir up the sh*t and then when facts are posted contrary you overlook it. Read the posts before you keep beating a dead horse. It is posts like this that make you look childish and out to just sling mud.
The build sheet. You guys insist on throwing that at Scott when it has been said numerous times, Scott didn't make the build sheet! Noah did. He took responsibility, explained it, it was all cleared up. Scott didn't do the build sheet you guys insist on blaming him for. Stop trashing him because your selective reading allows you to overlook the facts.
You guys love to stir up the sh*t and then when facts are posted contrary you overlook it. Read the posts before you keep beating a dead horse. It is posts like this that make you look childish and out to just sling mud.
Your post shows that you dont know the complete story. Do you know what price the "Customer' was charged for that motor? Bet you dont ! The price is where the truth lies. There are people on here holding their tongues..and I can understand why. I am not coming on here trying to defend Sharif, Julian or Sam...they are big boys. There is a dark cloud blocking the real question So get off the Build Sheet and go in the direction of the Dead Presidents
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Wow, I went to Halloween Horror nights last night and was back @ work @ 7am this morn and come back to all this. We (the mods) will be going back through the thread an dealing with what we feel needs to be dealt with.
Yes, Jason (Failsafe, the guy in charge of the vendors) is having issues becsause of the fires not Scott. All of the conspiracy therorist probably never thought of that.
Yes, Jason (Failsafe, the guy in charge of the vendors) is having issues becsause of the fires not Scott. All of the conspiracy therorist probably never thought of that.
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
(moderators, this is not a buisness plug, rather a explanation)
I feel as if I need to write this out for anyone that is still trying to lump Relentless Autosports, Mark, or me personally in with the way that company ended up being.
My VRT story for those that do not know the way it all started..........
Before VRT was started I was approached by Mr A to drive his lightly moded SC'ed 350Z roadster at Willow Springs for him so that I could give him some feedback on how to improve on it. I was introduced to him by his brother and sister whom I have known for years (and are nothing like him). This was in late '03 and was in one of the first roadsters to land in the country. The test went surprisingly well and although there was room for improvement, I was a little impressed with the platform of the Z.
Mr. A then aproached me with all his charm and negotiated with me to help him to develop his car more and we proceeded from there. At this time Mark B was the head service Master Tech mechanic that was performing the bolt ons at the dealership where Mr A serviced his car.
Mr A then saw how popular these cars were starting to get and wanted me to start a company with him that built G35's and 350Z's for track and street. We approached Mark B about this and that is when we found out just how awesome and connected Mark really was. Mark has worked beside Jim Wolf for many years on several Z31 and Z32 projects and had a very tight relationship with JWT. Mark is known for building (among many others) some of the very best FI'ed Nissan motors and is involved in several land speed assoc. records, and is known throughout the country on his 300ZX builds along with several other cars.
Mark started working for us part time and was reluctant to join us full time at first, but the pursuasive ways of Mr. along with some failed attempts by Mr A to have work done with/by other shops, were finally enough for Mark to quit his career being in charge of all the technicians at 6 Nissan dealerships to come work for VRT full time.
Things went pretty good for a while. We made some very solid track cars with some very solid numbers. There was no BS about the work that was done for the first two years or so. With the help of Mark, JWT had us prototype some of the first JWT TT kits on our cars with great success. We build A LOT of cars and TT'ed most of them through '04-'06. We were also the first to try out the first 700BB upgrade, and DID make huge power with it (just ask some of the 500+ people who saw the Gray G get dynoed at Stillen days) A lot of this work was being performed on the lower section of Mr A's house where there was a 6+ car gaurage and a huge covered car port with a lift. After a while we did out grow the house and moved into a real purpose built shop with a few lifts, a clean motor room, etc.
After a while some seemingly financial woes set in on a record label and the real estate company that Mr A owned. Since VRT was sort of started for a tax deduction for Mr A and a way to justify the car building hobby he did not need (at the time) to actually draw too much of an income from VRT as he made great money from his other companies. IMO, this is where it all started going bad. He seemed to be playing a bigger role in VRT and taking more control in it. He started cutting corners as much as he could, he started shorting Mark on his promised hourly work, starting hiring very cheap and questionable labor mechanics to perform the work that was way over their heads, starting taking sales away from me, etc. After seeing what was starting to go on, I knew we needed to get out of there before everything came falling down and started reflecting on me. I had several heated discussions with Mr A and everything always seemed to go right back to this, so I hate to just give up on a company that I spent alot of time, effort, blood, sweat and tears on and walk away, but I saw what was about to go on and just had to. From there it all got A LOT worse as you could imagine, just read some of the horror stories.
I hate to see a company with so much potential and the talent go to crap, but that is exactly what happened after we left. I tried to save it, help it, and even warn people. I consulted with my lawyer on all this, and that is all I could have done without being sued for slander.
I hope this helps clear up some of this mess about my company, Me, Mark, or even JWT for that matter being unjustly lumped in with that company, We simply do not deserve that.
As for Relentless Autosports LLC (not a plug moderators, just a clarification), I started this company with Mark and we are continueing our relationship with JWT and they have been great to us. Yes, this company is legit, I have gone through all the crazy california rules/laws/zoneing, etc. Although the company is new, there is no shortage of talent. We are looking to expand soon, and get a better shop than our temperay location as time and finances will alow. We have done quite a few cars this year and they are all around and running (except my G ) great. I come from a long line of very successful and honest buisness owners. My father has an automotive brake shop that specializes in rebuilding all types a master cylinder, caliper, booster, is ABS specialist, and is the California State Automotive board brake expert.... My Aunt is the Western United States general Manager for the Chevrolet brand of cars for GM.....just examples.
I am in no way going to, nor have I ever ripped anyone off or performed any work for anybody that is not solid and repuatable.
Thank you.
Scott Bush @ Relentless Autosports LLC
I feel as if I need to write this out for anyone that is still trying to lump Relentless Autosports, Mark, or me personally in with the way that company ended up being.
My VRT story for those that do not know the way it all started..........
Before VRT was started I was approached by Mr A to drive his lightly moded SC'ed 350Z roadster at Willow Springs for him so that I could give him some feedback on how to improve on it. I was introduced to him by his brother and sister whom I have known for years (and are nothing like him). This was in late '03 and was in one of the first roadsters to land in the country. The test went surprisingly well and although there was room for improvement, I was a little impressed with the platform of the Z.
Mr. A then aproached me with all his charm and negotiated with me to help him to develop his car more and we proceeded from there. At this time Mark B was the head service Master Tech mechanic that was performing the bolt ons at the dealership where Mr A serviced his car.
Mr A then saw how popular these cars were starting to get and wanted me to start a company with him that built G35's and 350Z's for track and street. We approached Mark B about this and that is when we found out just how awesome and connected Mark really was. Mark has worked beside Jim Wolf for many years on several Z31 and Z32 projects and had a very tight relationship with JWT. Mark is known for building (among many others) some of the very best FI'ed Nissan motors and is involved in several land speed assoc. records, and is known throughout the country on his 300ZX builds along with several other cars.
Mark started working for us part time and was reluctant to join us full time at first, but the pursuasive ways of Mr. along with some failed attempts by Mr A to have work done with/by other shops, were finally enough for Mark to quit his career being in charge of all the technicians at 6 Nissan dealerships to come work for VRT full time.
Things went pretty good for a while. We made some very solid track cars with some very solid numbers. There was no BS about the work that was done for the first two years or so. With the help of Mark, JWT had us prototype some of the first JWT TT kits on our cars with great success. We build A LOT of cars and TT'ed most of them through '04-'06. We were also the first to try out the first 700BB upgrade, and DID make huge power with it (just ask some of the 500+ people who saw the Gray G get dynoed at Stillen days) A lot of this work was being performed on the lower section of Mr A's house where there was a 6+ car gaurage and a huge covered car port with a lift. After a while we did out grow the house and moved into a real purpose built shop with a few lifts, a clean motor room, etc.
After a while some seemingly financial woes set in on a record label and the real estate company that Mr A owned. Since VRT was sort of started for a tax deduction for Mr A and a way to justify the car building hobby he did not need (at the time) to actually draw too much of an income from VRT as he made great money from his other companies. IMO, this is where it all started going bad. He seemed to be playing a bigger role in VRT and taking more control in it. He started cutting corners as much as he could, he started shorting Mark on his promised hourly work, starting hiring very cheap and questionable labor mechanics to perform the work that was way over their heads, starting taking sales away from me, etc. After seeing what was starting to go on, I knew we needed to get out of there before everything came falling down and started reflecting on me. I had several heated discussions with Mr A and everything always seemed to go right back to this, so I hate to just give up on a company that I spent alot of time, effort, blood, sweat and tears on and walk away, but I saw what was about to go on and just had to. From there it all got A LOT worse as you could imagine, just read some of the horror stories.
I hate to see a company with so much potential and the talent go to crap, but that is exactly what happened after we left. I tried to save it, help it, and even warn people. I consulted with my lawyer on all this, and that is all I could have done without being sued for slander.
I hope this helps clear up some of this mess about my company, Me, Mark, or even JWT for that matter being unjustly lumped in with that company, We simply do not deserve that.
As for Relentless Autosports LLC (not a plug moderators, just a clarification), I started this company with Mark and we are continueing our relationship with JWT and they have been great to us. Yes, this company is legit, I have gone through all the crazy california rules/laws/zoneing, etc. Although the company is new, there is no shortage of talent. We are looking to expand soon, and get a better shop than our temperay location as time and finances will alow. We have done quite a few cars this year and they are all around and running (except my G ) great. I come from a long line of very successful and honest buisness owners. My father has an automotive brake shop that specializes in rebuilding all types a master cylinder, caliper, booster, is ABS specialist, and is the California State Automotive board brake expert.... My Aunt is the Western United States general Manager for the Chevrolet brand of cars for GM.....just examples.
I am in no way going to, nor have I ever ripped anyone off or performed any work for anybody that is not solid and repuatable.
Thank you.
Scott Bush @ Relentless Autosports LLC
This thread is probably going to get locked now, but I just don't think its fair at all how everyone is treating this whole situation.
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
C'mon. Scott was proven to have deceived this forum with his staged posts involving ShamrockG and was banned for it. M. Alvarez did the same damn thing with staged VRT posts.
Relentless still tunes my Brother's G and we trust him. Believe me, I've been burned by Shady Michael Alvarez before and they are nothing alike.
I've got facts to support myself as a client and Relentless business dealings which are more than legitimate and very satisfactory. Want to know more, PM me.
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Originally Posted by Gammawolf
hmmm interesting. Don't come to this forum much, originally came due to the VRT shenanigans and being burned by them, but Scott was banned because of what facts? falsifying a username? what was staged?
Relentless still tunes my Brother's G and we trust him. Believe me, I've been burned by Shady Michael Alvarez before and they are nothing alike.
I've got facts to support myself as a client and Relentless business dealings which are more than legitimate and very satisfactory. Want to know more, PM me.
Relentless still tunes my Brother's G and we trust him. Believe me, I've been burned by Shady Michael Alvarez before and they are nothing alike.
I've got facts to support myself as a client and Relentless business dealings which are more than legitimate and very satisfactory. Want to know more, PM me.
What location (address) did you have the work done by RA? Also, when you say tune, are you referring to dyno tuning?
I would like to see your support, please send it to me via pm...
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Gammawolf
hmmm interesting. Don't come to this forum much, originally came due to the VRT shenanigans and being burned by them, but Scott was banned because of what facts? falsifying a username? what was staged?
https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=156
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http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?p=1531105
starting post #13
I mean...i am just looking at the "evidence"
A lot of the evidence cannot be "countered" by vrt/ra/wa2good/etc. You are free to make your own conclusions, its unfortunate but its hard to not see when stories pile up, some repetitive from vrt days...and the excuses are "nothin" or the same as before.
starting post #13
I mean...i am just looking at the "evidence"
A lot of the evidence cannot be "countered" by vrt/ra/wa2good/etc. You are free to make your own conclusions, its unfortunate but its hard to not see when stories pile up, some repetitive from vrt days...and the excuses are "nothin" or the same as before.
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Originally Posted by buzzardmountain
Like I posted in g35driver....Scotts bad rep is like Herpies...there is no way to get rid of it...when you think its all cleared up....BOOM !
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Originally Posted by Philthy
Glad things are working out for you...
What location (address) did you have the work done by RA? Also, when you say tune, are you referring to dyno tuning?
I would like to see your support, please send it to me via pm...
Thanks.
What location (address) did you have the work done by RA? Also, when you say tune, are you referring to dyno tuning?
I would like to see your support, please send it to me via pm...
Thanks.
(https://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308530).
Anyways, when I drop off my Brother's G, or my G, I always drop it off at Scott's duplex in El Cajon, CA and then he'll give me a ride to the Trolley Station and I take it back to downtown San Diego where I live. I've seen Mark's garage before and it's much further east in El Cajon. Not much to talk about, it's really modest. But Mark is a good mechanic.
I know I don't post a lot on this forum, but it always astounds me how much flaming and finger pointing goes on in this forum. Most members don't do it, but those who do more than make up for it.
Originally Posted by buzzardmountain
Here's my observation. Michael Alvarez was shady, he oozed with it. My brother and I left his shop knowing that we were getting jipped, but by then it was too late. Live and Learn. With regards to Scott and Mark at Relentless, it's the complete different story. Night and day difference. So I get a little offended when I hear allegations such as this towards RA when I am a client of RA. That would mean that we've committed the same mistake twice, and I'm telling you, the facts within our vendor-client relationship prove otherwise.