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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 12:53 PM
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Rather than going the route of a built motor, would it be worthwhile to just upgrade the rods, pistons and head studs? I saw this kit on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EAGLE...spagenameZWDVW
or purchase from a vendor on here. What are the costs involved with honing and installing rods and pistons? Lets assume the engine is already removed and delivered to the shop of your choice. This seems like a less expensive way to get into the FI world and still be pretty safe on a stock block. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance....
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
Rather than going the route of a built motor, would it be worthwhile to just upgrade the rods, pistons and head studs? I saw this kit on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EAGLE...spagenameZWDVW
or purchase from a vendor on here. What are the costs involved with honing and installing rods and pistons? Lets assume the engine is already removed and delivered to the shop of your choice. This seems like a less expensive way to get into the FI world and still be pretty safe on a stock block. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance....
Ummm....yeah....that is called a built motor....
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Ummm....yeah....that is called a built motor....
yeah......


op: can you explain to us how using aftermarket rods, pistons, head studs, ect...... still retains your status of having a stock block?
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
Rather than going the route of a built motor, would it be worthwhile to just upgrade the rods, pistons and head studs? I saw this kit on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EAGLE...spagenameZWDVW
or purchase from a vendor on here. What are the costs involved with honing and installing rods and pistons? Lets assume the engine is already removed and delivered to the shop of your choice. This seems like a less expensive way to get into the FI world and still be pretty safe on a stock block. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance....
the weak point of the 350z so far with boost has been the rods.. no one really knows how much the stock pistons can take.. usually most people do a full build because the amount of money you are going to pay for doing labor to just install rods and pistons you might as well do a fully built shortblock.

However if you have the ability to pull your motor yourself and do it all yourself to save on labor then nothing is wrong with just doing rods and pistons.. or if you don't mind spending twice on the labor if you decide to do more to the short block then yeah.. rods and pistons are ok.

If you are looking for rods and pistons at a decent price.. don't hestitate to contact us at sales@racemrc.com or visit us at http://www.racemrc.com

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Just what I said, I would replace the rods and pistons and retain the stock block. Is it really that confusing? There is a lot more that goes into a built motor, crank, short block, sleeves etc...

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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
Just what I said, I would replace the rods and pistons and retain the stock block. Is it really that confusing?
when referring to a block.. people consider all the engine parts.. so a stock block would be everything stock.. if you add aftermarket rods and pistons.. its now considered a built block
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Fair enough, makes sense. It just seems like most people replace everything. I just figure if the rods are the weak link, just replace that part and the pistons. Of course it prolly won't handle 5-600+ whp but I bet it would make 4-450 whp pretty safe.
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+1 thats a built motor. its just depends on the extent of what kind of build you are wanting!
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
Fair enough, makes sense. It just seems like most people replace everything. I just figure if the rods are the weak link, just replace that part and the pistons. Of course it prolly won't handle 5-600+ whp but I bet it would make 4-450 whp pretty safe.
like i said.. the limits of the other stock components havn't really been brought to their limits as the rods are usually the first to go.. and maybe the stock head gasket when the heads start lifting at about 550 whp.. so if you have no problem doing things twice.. nothing is wrong with just upgrading pistons and rods. Again most people usually do everything at once to save the down time and labor.. also its best to over build than to be right at your limit
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When you factor in the cost of high end pistons, rods, bearings, main studs, the machining and assembly labor....you would be looking at this. http://www.forgedperformance.com/sto...cat=277&page=1

As MRC mentioned, you can save about $500-$1000 by doing all the labor yourself.
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hey sharif what kind of boost controller do you use on your car?
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hey sharif what kind of boost controller do you use on your car?
My car has the Blitz SBCid......which I have had for nearly two years.

My current boost controller of choice is the HKS EVC6.....it's da bomb. http://www.forgedperformance.com/sto...cat=255&page=1
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HKS EVC6 is awesome. Holds boost very well and is VERY accurate.
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
Just what I said, I would replace the rods and pistons and retain the stock block. Is it really that confusing? There is a lot more that goes into a built motor, crank, short block, sleeves etc...
O wow. Please go home.
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
Fair enough, makes sense. It just seems like most people replace everything. I just figure if the rods are the weak link, just replace that part and the pistons. Of course it prolly won't handle 5-600+ whp but I bet it would make 4-450 whp pretty safe.
Actually, if done correctly it will hold 600+whp. I have a basic built shortblock with just pistons, rods, L17 studs, and still using the factory headgasket and im holding 606wheel very nicely.
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to the OP, yanno I was acutually going to do the exact same thing. Im going to replace the pistons, rods and head studs, then go FI. And I'm still going conservative, somewhere around 375-400whp. Better to be safe....
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Originally Posted by iknowitsfast
to the OP, yanno I was acutually going to do the exact same thing. Im going to replace the pistons, rods and head studs, then go FI. And I'm still going conservative, somewhere around 375-400whp. Better to be safe....
All that money and you only want 375-400whp!? A stock block can handle that no problem...
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All that money and you only want 375-400whp!? A stock block can handle that no problem...
+1 thats what I've been running for the last 50k.
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Originally Posted by redman333
+1 thats what I've been running for the last 50k.
If I had a basic rod/piston/head bolt build I'd be gunning for 500whp...
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I recently read that the bearings are considered the weak point of a boosted car. Any merit to this?

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the weak point of the 350z so far with boost has been the rods.. [/url]
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