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Old Aug 7, 2008 | 03:03 PM
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CPU speed is not a reliable indicator of CPU performance certainly refers more to home computers as there are many more variables with one. That entire article is about home computers, not car ECUs. Im sure there are other variables in a car ECU also.... I just doubt that there are anywhere near as many.


And yes, I have seen a few aftermarket ECUs be too slow. In fact I have seen some get so overloaded that on a high RPM pull they will actually skip a few injector pulses!!
How's the tuning coming on the shop car?
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Originally Posted by SoundPerformance
CPU speed is not a reliable indicator of CPU performance certainly refers more to home computers as there are many more variables with one. That entire article is about home computers, not car ECUs. Im sure there are other variables in a car ECU also.... I just doubt that there are anywhere near as many.


And yes, I have seen a few aftermarket ECUs be too slow. In fact I have seen some get so overloaded that on a high RPM pull they will actually skip a few injector pulses!!
Thanks for addressing this speculation and setting the record straight about your experiences with ECUs that were too slow.

I wish people would stop posting pointed comments about things they don't know about.
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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so should that be something the installer should have found, or that the ecu would recognize and send some sort of indicating warning for? I think he posted that the car had 3 sets of plugs come out like that in the months that the car used the ecu
He pulled his own plugs, so he should have taken it to his tuner and had it checked out... he declined. If the sensor is bouncing around it within it's range, the computer doesn't know it's bad. The poor running condition certain lit the bulb on the dash...not sure about the one in his head!
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Originally Posted by rcdash
Please no more comments on ProEFI processor speed please. It means little to nothing.

http://www.tech-faq.com/cpu-speed.shtml

The first line reads: "CPU speed is not a reliable indicator of CPU performance"

For any EMS out there today, I don't think anyone has ever complained about their EMS being too slow, stock or aftermarket.
Wow...you REALLY don't know anything about computers...do you? As SP stated... we aren't running graphics cards here. The processor inside the ecu is the primary indicator on how quickly it can sample data and process it. Do the math on runnning through EVERY piece of code (which is what any ecu that has to go through calibratable timing pattern setups) at even 10 to 12k rpm. You run out of time fast. I won't even get into foreground frequency rates, and background frequency rates. The processor speed is HOW QUICKLY it looks at the data. MHZ is a measure of time frequency...the slower it is....THE SLOWER IT IS!
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
Wow...you REALLY don't know anything about computers...do you? As SP stated... we aren't running graphics cards here. The processor inside the ecu is the primary indicator on how quickly it can sample data and process it. Do the math on runnning through EVERY piece of code (which is what any ecu that has to go through calibratable timing pattern setups) at even 10 to 12k rpm. You run out of time fast. I won't even get into foreground frequency rates, and background frequency rates. The processor speed is HOW QUICKLY it looks at the data. MHZ is a measure of time frequency...the slower it is....THE SLOWER IT IS!

not true... if the pro-efi has more coding and more checks and balances like you guys say.. it will require a faster processor to do something another ECU doesn't need to do..

so in reality.. the pro-efi needs a faster processor if its doing more functions..

its just like Linux in terminal mode will run 10 times faster than GUI Mode even though its the same processor.. same exact machine
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What was the name of this thread again...oh yeah. "what ems do you prefer?"

WOW...talking about gigabytes and memory and CPU speed...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH
What happened to driveability, acceleration, throttle response and stuff like that....

Funny how nobody picked about the UTEC down to bytes and processor speed. Because no one cares. Well not me anyhow...

I would love to see more feedback from actual users on VPRO, PROEFI, HALTECH and MOTEC. Try to have adult interactions about performance features and advancements that one may have over another...

Any chance this can get back on topic??? Coulda, woulda, shoulda been a useful thread.
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Real world experience for me is still somewhat limited, but I do have some positive feedback on the Pro-EFI. As you know, I have an Auto tranny. Originally, when driving the car in full auto mode, the computer would shift a bit too late when I went WOT. This is because the car revs a lot faster than stock. Jason told me the Pro-EFI would learn the timing for each gear shift and compensate for that appropriately. It is now very smooth shifting from 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4. I haven't had much opportunity to shift 4-5 (that would be well over 100 MPH!).

Here is a quick video, it also shows 2 cold starts. The WOT auto shift is around 1:12 in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAv6k3RyrE

The car drives smooth as can be on the street. Smooth as stock on shifts (even though it is a higher shift point around 7000RPM or so). Smooth as stock on low boost racing. The torque converter is problematic on high boost, so no idea on how it drives w/22 PSI yet.
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^ you sure that video is 14 PSI?
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Originally Posted by doug
^ you sure that video is 14 PSI?
Yes, why do you ask?
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Yes, why do you ask?
looks slowish
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Marshall, was that Shar in his Powerlab Turbo Z?
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
Marshall, was that Shar in his Powerlab Turbo Z?
I was thinking the same thing.
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
Marshall, was that Shar in his Powerlab Turbo Z?
Ding Ding Ding! We ran a few times. It was a blast.
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Originally Posted by doug
looks slowish
Yeah, it's pretty slow. Only 524 WHP. It barely creeps along.

Tomorrow I'll be at Firebird, which is a slow track, but I'll post results.
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
Yeah, it's pretty slow. Only 524 WHP. It barely creeps along.

Tomorrow I'll be at Firebird, which is a slow track, but I'll post results.
The secret is to watch the guys in the far lane... they always try to prep it for the guys that are in the single digits. At least from what I remember.
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Yeah, it's pretty slow. Only 524 WHP. It barely creeps along.

Tomorrow I'll be at Firebird, which is a slow track, but I'll post results.
sorry to hear that man
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Originally Posted by doug
sorry to hear that man

race your rsx
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
race your rsx

you don't want none of this DJ Boy.. i already had two challengers back down from me on this forum already.. i'm eating Z's/G's left and right without even turning my key.. its amazing
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Originally Posted by doug
you don't want none of this DJ Boy.. i already had two challengers back down from me on this forum already.. i'm eating Z's/G's left and right without even turning my key.. its amazing
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
Wow...you REALLY don't know anything about computers...do you? As SP stated... we aren't running graphics cards here. The processor inside the ecu is the primary indicator on how quickly it can sample data and process it. Do the math on runnning through EVERY piece of code (which is what any ecu that has to go through calibratable timing pattern setups) at even 10 to 12k rpm. You run out of time fast. I won't even get into foreground frequency rates, and background frequency rates. The processor speed is HOW QUICKLY it looks at the data. MHZ is a measure of time frequency...the slower it is....THE SLOWER IT IS!
Christ, didn't I say don't bring it up again? lol.

You are quite sure of yourself, aren't you? How old are you son and where did you go to school? I did pretty well in my VLSI design and microprocessor architecture classes as an undergrad in one of best engineering colleges in this fine country. There are at least two key points that you need to understand. Let me put it in simple terms:

1. A CPU will execute more than operation per clock cycle. ALL CPUs, even the stupidly simple one I designed, fab'd and had built for a class project using a PGA. A CPU that executes 10 ops during 1 cycle running at 1 Mhz will be faster than a CPU executing 5 ops during 1 cycle running at 5 Mhz. It's called parallelism and it's just the tip of the iceberg in detailing how CPUs running at the same frequency can differ vastly in performance. Forget bus width, bus speeds, memory speeds, latency, multiple processors, RISC vs CISC design, etc.

2. A CPU's raw performance will not compensate for poorly optimized code. And optimizing code in machine language with today's microprocessors is not a trivial task. Most compilers for OEM products are a far cry from truly optimized and if Jason is writing machine code himself for various features in the ProEFI then actual throughput will depend on his skills, and the effort he puts into perfecting that code.

If you're this confident about something that you're dead wrong about, then I really worry about your claims about the ProEFI.

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