Foreignsoda is his username! I've driven his car before... One of the funest cars I have ever driven. Stop light to stop light, the car drove like stock. When I was on the on ramp to the highway, and on the highway..... she drove so smooooooth!

 

He's just bent that he spent somewhere north of 3k more for a system that doesn't do as much, or work as well... You have to cut him some slack! I know I would be just as bent if I were in his position.

 

OK, it is official. The Pro-EFI CAN INDEED increase the rev limit. Mine is at 8000RPM as of today. I just drove it to Firebird and back (couldn't pass tech, cuz I forgot to wear long pants damn it!), which is about 35 miles. On the 202 on the way back I played around with a blue G35 and a white Civic with TT and it was sooo sweet to rev it all the way up to 7500. I shifted before I got to 8000, b/c it scared me to see it so far past the normal redline and I also knew I should shift it a bit early to give it time on the Tiptronic (sp?).

 

 

You guys must be joking, to suggest that at this stage of development your hacked up modifications to a decade old OE Ecu does more & does it better than a MoTeC is sad.
Do youself a favour & check out what major manufacturers & racing teams use MoTeC

 

here we go again...

 

O Rly?

I'll give Motec a hand for being a good ECU, and they have been around for some time and have gained the respect of many manufactuerer's and tuners. Why do you people think it is so far fetched that a new product (Still in it's infancy) can't be better? There is a very reputable shop on the East Coast doing a in-depth comparison between the ProEFI 48-Pin and the Motec M600. There findings have been very surprising in favor of the ProEFI.

It is sad that people can't think outside the box.

 

Do yourself a favor and do some research on the ProEFI 128 pin unit before making another stupid post.

 

Check again the quote I was responding to.
As to ( can't be better ) sure anythings possible, but at this stage in any real world comparison of features,sorry it's miles away.

 

 

Lay off people. Bashing the MoteC when you have little to no experience with it is no better than what y'all are complaining about in terms of "outsiders" bashing the ProEFI.

And bringing in the ProEFI 128 pin unit to compare to when so far it's only been the 48 pin unit installed is not exactly above board. If you're looking to compare the ProEFI 128 on paper to all the other top ECUs out there, no doubt it is impressive. But then at the same time you ask folks to overlook the few glaring deficiencies [on paper] in the ProEFI 48.

Whatever Jason has done to compensate for the lack of 2 injector drivers (even it is truly is completely transparent to engine operation and end user experience) does not change the fact that the ProEFI 48 only has 4 injector drivers for a 6 cylinder car. People are going to compare that on paper and ask exactly how that's better than any other EMS, all of which offer at least 6 injector drivers - even the UTEC or the stock ECU for that matter. I can understand from a price point issue why this might have been decided upon, but I gotta wonder if a "ProEFI 64" might've been the better choice for this platform.

The ProEFI has got some nice features that I haven't heard about elsewhere that will set the bar in some areas for others to follow. That benefits all consumers. Only time will tell how it compares to other ECUs after a comparable user base exists.

The threads that discuss the ProEFI are littered with posts slamming those that have something negative to say about it. It's a public forum, but it'd be nice to just let people express opinions, and discuss precisely why something is better or worse, and for what technical reasons, rather than making personal attacks.

As early adopters you have an opportunity to provide constructive feedback. Identifying and learning more about other ecus can only help you with this.

 

C'mon Raj. Give me a break.

Nathan talked about what race teams use. So therefore, it's relevant to bring the 128-pin box, which is intended for racing applications, into the discussion and he should do some more research before making another bashing comment about the ProEFI.

Contrary to your perception, threads that discuss the ProEFI are littered with ignorant and disrespectful posts bashing ProEFI and/or Jason Siebels. The posts are being made by people with no personal experience with ProEFI and by some members who conspicuously have competitors listed in their sig.

If somebody wants to express negative opinions about ProEFI, fine. But those negative opinions should be informed and intelligent by guys who actually have some experience with ProEFI. There has been a severe lack of that. So those of us from the Intense/ProEFI inner circle who do have personal experience have taken it upon ourselves to inform members here of the facts and to defend Jason and his product, since he is not here to defend himself. I won't be diplomatic to people who are being disrespectful with ignorant bashing and I won't hesitate to smack down someone who initiates a confrontation with a stupid or inflammatory post.

 

Decade old ecu? The ProEFI is based on technology developed in 2004, not like Motec and everyone else that is using late 80's technology. I guess I didn't realize that computers, as they got more advanced were ACTUALLY slower. The motec with a 35mhz processor, and the ProEFI with a 56mhz processor... do the math before you speak about something you do not know. Next time do your homework...I did mine, that is why I came up with the decision I did.... just because it costs alot DOESN'T mean it's any better.

 

Quit stating your opinion as fact. That is like saying...oh...look...a new skyline GTR is out....

well...it can't be better than a Z....it's bran new.

Doesn't make much sense does it?

The O.E.'s have 1000 times the experience and budget of all the aftermarket ecu manufacturers put together...don't think they don't. The ProEFI is based on O.E. code, and O.E. hardware...which by default automatically gives them a HUGE edge.

 

Maybe it would be wise for you to take some of your own advice. I haven't seen anyone "bashing" motec. I have just seen people make off the cuff remarks about the ProEFI (with very little or no knowledge whatsoever). The ProEFI IS the new technology...not vice versa. Dual core processors ARE faster than single core processors, variable cam engines ARE better and more efficient than non variable cam engines, Electronic fuel injection is better than carburators, direct injection IS better than port injection, Forged rods are better than cast rods.....blah...blah...blah. I think it is quite humorous that certain people look at certain new products and think they need to "prove" themselves with time. Yet when right out of the gate.... it looks better "on paper" then it proves itself by crushing previous accomplishments of others. Yet, it's cheaper, so I still don't believe it. I wonder what the perception would be if the ProEFI costs $10k for the 48pin box? I bet it wouldn't be that it isn't better than motec....or whoever. I bet it would be "the best system on earth, but who can afford it." It's really too bad that good things have to be expensive to be preceived as being good. When quite the opposite is true in alot of cases.

WHO CARES about the number of injector drivers? Factories used semisequential firing injectors up to 2000 in even higher end vehicles. What difference does it make? We aren't trying to pass FTP tests here, that's already been done. I have seen Mustangs run 6 second quarter miles with a single injector driver and they have 8 cylinders. If your head can't get around the 4 injector drivers, the 128 is the answer for you...it has twelve, and 16 coil drivers...so buy that one.

 

you know.. i have learned alot from this thread..

i found that alot people bag on the F-Con because its 'locked' and only a pro-tuner with a USB Key can program the unit...

what i hadn't known from this thread was that all the Standalones and Piggybacks have the ability to lock the tune..

so why is everyone sh!tting on the F-Con if you can lock the tune on ever other EMS..

personally i like the fact that only a Pro-dealer can unlock or program the F-Con.. HKS puts their dealers through training before they can start selling and tuning F-Con's.. and i don't know about you guys but i would rather someone trained by HKS playing with my EMS than the guy down the street who used to tune his old Turbo Civic.

with the exception of a few people like Gurgen and Raj and a few others who like to go into their interface and look around and maybe make changes.. there is really no reason why everyone puts down the F-Con

 

All can be locked, but the FCON cannot be unlocked. So there is no option even if the pro-tuner wants to leave it open - they cannot. That's the difference.

The ability to data log and traction control are the items that swayed me from the FCON.

No question it's a top notch EMS though.

 

There is a better way... (sigh) I honestly don't think any of you need to do any defending of the ProEFI. Speak to the features and technical merits. SnyperZ's post about fuel pressure regulation is a great example. There is no need to stoop to a baser level of discussion? It makes the forum less pleasant to be a part of.

 

I agree with you both, 100%.

If we could just keep this as a technical discussion, everyone could gain so much more from this thread.

I have never used the ProEFI, so I cannot comment on it, but to put down MoTeC in such a way, knowing it is a world class ECU, and all of the R&D they do, makes me lose a lot of respect for those people.

There is no point to continue this debate unless we can leave the opinions and bashing out and discuss the facts, and evidence.

-George