(sigh) Sorry I'm not the pacifist you would like me to be. As 1ZweetZ, Jorge, and I have already stated... some guys are making back handed and ignorant "off the cuff" remarks about ProEFI when it is obvious they don't know what they are talking about. I'm not going to bite my tongue for your sake and give haters carte blanche to insult a company and a person I personally know and have a lot of respect for. People shouldn't start fights if they don't want to get hit.

You say you want to have a civil discussion on "technical merits", but ironically you chose to focus your comments on my response to some haters and chose to overlook the fact that the bashing posts I responded to were lacking "technical merit" and knowledge about the product they were insulting.

And then you responded in this fashion to 1ZweetZ, who has provided more correct and factual "technical" information about the features of the ProEFI units than anyone else here:
Now it seems you think you are going to take over this thread and control the discussion. LMAO So now we are discussing features like wireless telemetry when you and I both know damn well that the number of people on this site that will actually need and/or use this feature could be counted on one person's hands. Your efforts to play devil's advocate towards ProEFI have become absolutely transparent and rediculous.

Let's cut the crap, shall we? How about we salvage some value from this thread by discussing features of the ProEFI, MoTec, Haltech, and FCon that 99.99% of members here will actually need, use, and benefit from.

 

What is it's current level of developement?

 

Which question would you like answered???? Telemetry is something that no street car will EVER need, and no Amatuer racer can really EVER use. You need a race team to even begin to use the information that telemetry provides, and it is still something that is used to fine tune a race car...not a street car. So do I care if ProEFI ever developes telemetry....not in the least. I have had the ProEFI on my car for 3 days, and it hasn't needed a single adjustment, nor do I have a single complaint. What information I have on the ProEFI (which in no way is everything), I have been more than happy to share... you on the other hand can only pose opinions....

Since picking up my car I have had two follow up calls from Jason making sure there weren't any issues....just checking in to get any feedback I have.

I did my homework before I made my decision on what stand alone to purchase. I talked with some of the best tuners in the industry about all options, and the information led me to ProEFI. If your research leads you to a different conclusion...so be it. To me, the biggest features were ones that NO other ECU has....NONE! I can't afford to blow up engines (even once in a while) so the safety measures in the ProEFI were a huge concern for me. Mistakes happen, I know Supra guys that have lost engines because one of the two pumps in the tank failed... with any other system...your motor is done, you won't know it's a problem til it's too late. The ProEFI can shut down boost, turn off nitrous, and envoke a rev limiter if the fuel pressure varies more than it's allowed. Then you get adaptive learning which keeps the car running like stock all the time, middle of winter, middle of summer...doesn't matter.

 

3 whole days worth of experience with the ProEFI? INTERESTING.

I actually asked about traction contol strategies for the ProEFI, not telemetry - I thought that was pretty clear.

My question about telemetry was directed to George and his post. It was not meant as a personal attack on the ProEFI.

A little common courtesy and respect is sorely lacking from a few rotten apples.

There was a time when you could be banned for disrespectful posts and moderation was enforced to a much greater degree. Now it's impossible to carry on a civil discussion without petty attacks and wild accusations.

 

Thank U George, but all words mainly emotions, say “cheap POS” is say nothing.
Does more details available?

What about Greddy Ultimate with MAP sensor? Its blowing engines? Or more detailed information exist?

I'm living in Kazakhstan, Almaty

350Z 6MT Japan, Turbonetics ST, ACT cluch, Arias + eagle

 

the split second box and greddy units are piggyback units. without absolute control over fuel and timing, there are inherant compromises in safety and reliability due to the "adaptive" nature of the stock ecu and the incorrect targets that are part of the stock programming.

 

Oh, the irony! Yeah... ^I feel the common courtesy and respect in the first line of your above post directed at 1ZweetZ.^

Respect is a two way street and you are far from an innocent party here. You have been very condescending and disrespectful as well, as evidenced by your latest cheap shot above at 1ZweetZ. I challenge you to name one person from the ProEFI "camp" who has bashed the Haltech. You don't see us pissing in the Haltech threads and playing devil's advocate as you continue to do in every ProEFI thread and discussion. So where is your common courtesy and respect?

You talk about having a civil discussion, yet you involved yourself in someone else's drama and took sides. You were hardly an unbiased observer here, which would be obvious to any moderator who would look into this thread. You chose to instigate drama with me by quoting me and providing commentary about me. I've already explained more than once the reasons for my posts directed at a couple guys here, which didn't involve you.

Let's just stop here and get over it. I'm willing to move forward, if you are.

 

you are being to nice, jsut say it, it sucks

 

Look guys, it's difficult to "move on" when you take any question raised as an attack against the ProEFI. Still waiting to hear how you all plan on utilizing the traction control features now available to you. With RWD TT cars, translating whp to acceleration, is a real challenge, esp on street tires in low gear.

How do you go about calibrating your boost control to facilitate traction? If I personally had a ProEfi I'd ask Jason if it could learn the best boost level for any given speed automatically based on feedback from wheelspin. Now that seems like a novel application for adaptive learning (auto calibration).

Ok supposed you implement this, and you change out tires at the drag strip. Could you somehow reset the calibration? Or would you need to wait for it to learn that the new tires were sticky?

thoughts? what is and is not possible today vs planned for the future?

Are there other strategies that have proven effective elsewhere (Motec) that could be implemented on the other standalones?

Being an early adopter, there is an opportunity to have requests implemented while the "iron is hot"...

 

Well I don't want to be accused of bashing an EMS!

Oh wait, too late.






(sorry couldn't resist - really j/k)

 

I heard this arguement before with the AEM. there were a bunch of guys pushing the AEM onto the import industry. everyone was excited that the import version of the motec was comming out, but AEM came up way short. now lets stop the comedy and compare proefi vs. Hydra

just compare the web sites for starters
http://www.motec.com/home
www.proefi.com

 

^^^^




you are the type of guy that would jump on the stillen SC...from a well known company, overpriced, has a nice website, and oh wait...tickets to dysneyland... just cause you are still talking out of you *** on **** you dont know

 

Ok...

http://turboneticsinc.com/
http://powerlabengineering.com/


Ok so...judging by the websites..the turbonetics kit is the far superior kit right? lol Is this your way of coming into the thread strong? You sound like all of the other nut huggers who don't know sh*t just wanna add fuel to the fire and annoy people.

 

dont play too nice cause you did d some bashing...and its not that us with the proefi get defensive to every question, but rather from ignorant posts such as the one above i had to quote, simple bashing out of the fact that the website looks nice , or that many race teams have use it...or claming the processor is slow when motec is slower actually...

There hasnt been any of us with the proefi that started any sheat on any threads from other EMSs, or more specifically, come out and bash out on the haltech... your buddy was the one who brought out the debate with motec as well, which btw has been out for a while...so how can't something newer/better be able top come along.

 

I'm enjoying this thread!

 

I'm curious what part you play in the ProEFI world. I know from reading your posts that you are obviously pro ProEFI. I originally thought you were some sort of ProEFI developer brought out to answer technical questions about your product, but you are not a sponsor. Now you say you are finally getting ready to purchase your first ProEFI system?

I'm lost. Somehow everyone else seems to know what your credentials are, but I haven't seen them posted in this thread. I admit I don't read many of the ProEFI threads because I have a HalTech.

What are your EMS, ProEFI credentials?

 

at the end of the day the real credit goes to motron, and if this hardware is all its cracked up to be then everyone will be installing there firmware into these boxes

http://www.mototron.com/products/Con...e/ECUhardware/
http://www.faar-industry.com/index%20(UK).html

 

Your definition of bashing when it comes to the ProEFI is quite liberal in that case. I simply stated facts and asked some questions.

And if you go back and look at what "my buddy" initially posted, you will see that he mentions the Haltech in the same context as the ProEFI. Did any Haltech user or developer or sponsor jump down his throat over it?

Nope.

You incited his long response - now deal with the fact that many who respect Gurgen on this board will take what he says at face value - that's now a permament part of this thread for all to read. You might not like it but others can have differing opinions and have just as much right to share them on this forum. Just because you are passionate about a product doesn't mean that product can't be improved and that all others must be inferior. I find it concerning that the same bunch of you vehemently defend any negative remark about the ProEFI as though it cannot afford any negative publicity - at all. You not only slam the poster, but you follow it up with marketing mumbo jumbo. Why are you all trying to sell it so hard?

 

My credentials....None....just a little common sense and alot of research. I simply do what alot of people do, get the facts before making a decision. I also don't speak about things I don't know about... I'm not here trying to say "x" efi is better than "Y" efi. Show me why it's better. So far, all that has been posted is it's better because it's 20 years old, or it's better because a race team uses it, or it's better because it cost as much as my car. That doesn't mean anything to me. The ProEFI fit the bill, and of course now that I have it...it hasn't dissapointed.

 

Interesting find. They provide a nice set of development tools for rapid EMS implementation. If you look through the website and the links it looks like the ProEFI is a rebadged Mototron ECU. It looks like these ECUs are widely available searching the net.

http://www.mototron.com/products/Mot...ECU565-128.php


http://www.proefi.com/productlist_pro128ecu.php


It also states that their 48 pin unit is for 4 cylinder applications.
http://www.mototron.com/products/Mot...tECU555-48.php

Now the ProEFI does appear to be using the two of the better offerings at least. I looked for a 6 cylinder application and they don't have one but they do have an 8 cylinder one, the -80 unit, click here. I wonder if this box could be swapped in and the firmware transferred over or if this could be an option for users that want sequential injection. According to the website, it is code-compatible.

The various products are listed here:

http://www.mototron.com/products/Mot...k/products.php

I would imagine anyone with the pro-tuner software could swap in different boxes without an issue.