i agree i am ready to move on to that part... problem is you got all this "geniuses" popping out of no where talking about something they have zero experience, it would be the same if like gurgen was my friend and not yours and out of the blue has his mind made out about the haltech and started bashing it...
I think it hard probably a warmer welcome since it was first released for the VQ and more of the "usual" suspect s on the board had more knowledge about...where as the proefi started out on the 2jz first.
I don't think there is a major problem with the 128 pin, its just a much more expensive unit and 48 is a great standalone that offers what 99% of people will be needing. I am sure if someone is willing to shed out the cash the 128 pin can be installed



i got no problme with the F-con, its a solid unit, jsut a bit pricy and uses expensive addons to be fully functional. I actually apreciate why the fcon is locked compared to the aem, and it has translated into an excellent rate of failures. The proefi goes to a happy medium between the 2

 

guys when i made my comments just now about the F-Con.. i wasn't talkign about this thread.. i was talking about the forum overall.. and my astonishment to know that the other EMS can be locked also..

 

well u didnt hear it from me

IMO nobody that has the fcon vpro need to be thinking about upgrading to haltech motec or proefi
But those looking to buy a quality ems this days have a more options that offer new things, newer technology and a lil $ savings...in the end they wont go wrong either way

When we started building and pushing the limits our cars and pushing the limit Fcon was what was available and it got us to this point. Now, lets not get blind, we should think outside the box that better systems can come along, and same goes with motec. Its an amazing ems, but its wrong to think nothing else better can come a long.

 

Is any one have expirience with Split Second?

 

Yes, it is a inexpensive piggy back ems with poor control and resolution but very cost effective.

In other words, its a cheap POS, but hey anything can be made to work

Just my opinion of course,

-George

 

lol... there are shops in the west/east coast that are a big fan of the ss box. don't know why

liberatemail do you happen to live in long island NY?

 

I'd personally like to know more about the traction control strategies in the ProEFI and MoteC. I only know a little bit about the recently implemented traction control features in the Haltech which consist of maps to configure boost vs. speed and boost vs. wheel spin (front/rear wheel differential vs. boost). There is also a possibility of creating maps to include timing and possibly fueling to change output power dynamically. With many more inputs/outputs planned for the future, there are a lot of possibilities for integrating operation with external devices. I don't know too much about specific applications as of yet.

How does the MoteC and ProEFI approach traction control - or what are the plans for implementation?

My understanding is the MoteC has one of the best, if not the best, traction control implementation. But does it integrate with CAN to read stock sensors or are external sensors required?

 

The thing that steered me away from the F-Con was simple....absolutely no feature content...no nitrous control...no launch control, no boost control....nothing! Just fuel and timing.... Great if your n/a and don't want to do any racing.. but no feature content.

 

I'm not seeing anyone "putting down" motec. The point of view is simple....just because it costs more, and has been around for 20 years, does NOT automatically make it a better ecu... not in the least.

 

I believe your assessment of the FCON is incorrect. The FCON does have launch control based on my reading. Julian (MRC) reported several experiences with launch control on the FCON. It also does have ancillary components for other aspects (such as the EVC6 for boost control). And as I recall, Philthy's car had nitrous control set up, triggered by the FCON (via configurable/mappable outputs).

You are - lol. The fact that it has been around for 20 yrs and remains highly regarded means a lot. Leave well enough alone!

Why don't we discuss the products based on technical merit as has been suggested? (And not make assumptions about ECUs which we know relatively little about - as you have asked for those who do not have first hand experience of the ProEFI).

So back to the question at hand - anyone with knowledge or ideas on traction control? Anyone with in-car experience with the ProEFI? Even if not, what are the strategies in the works?

(Hoping Gurgen or George can enlighten us on MoteC traction control implementation).

 

MoTeC's traction control is unparalled, which is why its a top choice for race teams around the world, not to mention all the other things you can achieve with MoTeC, such as wireless telemetry to datalog everything that is going on at the track, from the pits/trailer.

I will let Gurgen chime in with the specifics, and while I may not know some of the people defending the ProEFI (which I have nothing against btw, just tired of listening to people bash the VPro and MoTeC) I can confidently say that Gurgen will school most if not all of you when it comes in depth tuning/engine technology, not just the basics.

A lot of people will discredit his post because he is unbiased, and doesn't sugar coat things, but that is just the way he is.

I say we continue this thread in a mature, technical matter and compare the facts and evidence of the MoTeC vs. ProEFI since it is claimed to be superior.

Heck, If I can buy something that is far more advanced than a MoTeC, that actually works, and for half of the cost - I am all in

( I hope this doesn't offend anyone, or cause any more conflict )

-George

 

George, does the wireless telemetry allow the pit crew to make changes to the tune on the fly? With the Haltech real time interface in concert with a 3G cellular connection, UltraVNC software and a carPC, this is theoretically possible and I wonder if race teams would see this as a "value add". If MoteC already provides wireless modifications via its telemetry module, then this really isn't a significant improvement.

EDIT: I'm stuck in a meeting in Seattle. I just logged in to ECU Manager (with the car off, parked in my garage in NC) using Remote Desktop (built into WinXP). So that's another possibility for wireless/remote access.

 

Zweet your comment (Doesn't do as much, or work as well ), is a put down IMO, especially at the current development level of the Proefi.
I, like others here have no problem with Proefi and wish it every success.

 

I'm not sure why you would consider stating the facts as a put down. The motec does not have Fault management, it does not have adaptive learning, nor does it make it's fuel calculations based upon the volumetric efficeincy of the engine. You can discount these things all you want, but the simple fact that the O.E.M's who have virtually unlimited budgets, and have been developing these strategies for over 25 years should give you a little insight. Making a race car perform is easy, getting a street car to perform is the hard part.

 

The fact that you need to add controllers proves the point. If the V-Pro does these things, then their website needs a lot of help, and their dealer network is not very informed.

So, by your assessment, we should all still be using carburators, heck, why not go back to coal burning engines.

 

This is great if you are in the need of tuning on the fly.... If the computer adapts to the changes as it should....why in the world would you need to do this? The computer is more capable of monitoring the systems than any human, it can respond faster than any human, so why not just enter the limits in which you want the engine to operate and let the computer handle it, you know....like the car does stock.

 

Zweet
The ProEFI may go on to be one of the best ECU,s ever made, but I repeat
at it's current level of development & in real world usage it can't yet compare.
Your impressions on the tuning forum suggest that the starting is not quite right & that it will be a few weeks off a fix. Will they fix it, sure they will.

My comments & opinions have always been in response to what I consider oversated claims. Like this one for example. Making a race car perform is easy, getting a street car to perform is hard.

 

You can't think of any applications for wireless telemetry or for real time interaction by the pit crew? Just stick in a ProEFI and it will adapt to any situation? Right...

For the sake of salvaging some value from this thread, can you please either answer the question if you feel you can or refrain from responding to every post in non-constructive fashion? Please.

 

raj, are you talking about using a wireless signal from like your cellphone the same way you would a fcon navigator, proefi can gauge, haltech digital interface?

OR what kind of interaction are you looking for?
Cause you cant be racing and all of the sudden grab a cellphone and change the tune, i think if rather let the ecu figure out what to do.....
I am not sure what you are looking for...other than the ability to config without a laptop....

 

it will be interesting to see motec's new line of ecu's comming out soon.