SGP Racing a Scammer?
12-13-2008, 06:38 PM
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Just left negative feedback on SGP's itrader under the SGP_Racing account. I was shocked to see that they had a 100% positive rating with only 4 reviews.
Those of you who are/were SGP customers that have expressed your negative experience(s) with SGP in this thread owe it to the community and future potential customers to provide your feedback on SGP's itrader. C'mon guys. Don't let SGP's itrader rating give unsuspecting noobs or uninformed consumers a false sense of security.
Those of you who are/were SGP customers that have expressed your negative experience(s) with SGP in this thread owe it to the community and future potential customers to provide your feedback on SGP's itrader. C'mon guys. Don't let SGP's itrader rating give unsuspecting noobs or uninformed consumers a false sense of security.
12-13-2008, 06:44 PM
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since SGP doesn't really use the forum i'm pretty sure most people use them based on word of mouth and not the itrader value.. that's the only reason i ever considered of using SGP but to hell with that idea.
12-13-2008, 06:52 PM
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It only takes a couple minutes to fill out the itrader feedback. Quite frankly, SGP is obviousy not what it used to be. Why should we let a shop that has gone down the toilet within the last year or so retain an excellent itrader rating when there are numerous unhappy customers speaking out now???
12-13-2008, 07:02 PM
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True. But it doesn't hurt to cover all our bases. It only takes a couple minutes to fill out the itrader feedback.
Quite frankly, SGP is obviousy not what it used to be. Why should we let a shop that has gone down the toilet within the last year or so retain an excellent itrader rating when there are numerous unhappy customers speaking out now???
It only takes a couple minutes to fill out the itrader feedback. Quite frankly, SGP is obviousy not what it used to be. Why should we let a shop that has gone down the toilet within the last year or so retain an excellent itrader rating when there are numerous unhappy customers speaking out now???
12-14-2008, 03:26 AM
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Rude...I had an issue with SGP (Mark) almost 3 years ago and it was very similiar. I made numerous calls and he was always busy or out to lunch and never returned my calls. It was over my VB and when I finally did hear back from him(after calling him out on here) his response was "nobody else has had that problem with the VB so I don't know what to tell you".
In essence it has been longer than 1 year since his business savvy has been questionable.
In essence it has been longer than 1 year since his business savvy has been questionable.
12-14-2008, 06:51 AM
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Still waiting for the bombshell drama to hit in this thread. I thought there was someone that was going to post some 8-9 popcorn material, but so far nothing new has come up.
To those members waiting on parts: I still think the attorney letter works. It puts a timeframe in place and allows you to pursue a small claims case at the least. In fact, maybe several members could come together and make a mini class action suit (not even sure that is real). This may get the $$$ up high enough to make it more than small claims and petty theft. Even if you end up as individuals in small claims, you could seek to recover your damages plus attorney expenses.
Either that or a serious face to face confrontation is coming soon. Just show up and ask for your parts, if they are not there, ask where they are and tell SGP to call the other shop and tell them you are on your way to pic them up. If SGP cannot get your parts released because of $$$, you can pay the other shop directly for their work or just call the local police from the parking lot of SGP to report a theft. As long as you are willing to pay for any work that has been started/performed, you should be able to claim your property.
Last ditch dirty tactic, call the local newspaper or TV station and direct them to this thread and threads on other forums. Wait till right after Christmas when there is a slow news cycle and they may run a story on a local business that is under fire on the internet for their practices. Just my
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To those members waiting on parts: I still think the attorney letter works. It puts a timeframe in place and allows you to pursue a small claims case at the least. In fact, maybe several members could come together and make a mini class action suit (not even sure that is real). This may get the $$$ up high enough to make it more than small claims and petty theft. Even if you end up as individuals in small claims, you could seek to recover your damages plus attorney expenses.
Either that or a serious face to face confrontation is coming soon. Just show up and ask for your parts, if they are not there, ask where they are and tell SGP to call the other shop and tell them you are on your way to pic them up. If SGP cannot get your parts released because of $$$, you can pay the other shop directly for their work or just call the local police from the parking lot of SGP to report a theft. As long as you are willing to pay for any work that has been started/performed, you should be able to claim your property.
Last ditch dirty tactic, call the local newspaper or TV station and direct them to this thread and threads on other forums. Wait till right after Christmas when there is a slow news cycle and they may run a story on a local business that is under fire on the internet for their practices. Just my
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....... I cant believe how many shops are going down lately..
12-14-2008, 07:11 AM
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12-14-2008, 07:50 AM
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^^ The last 3 posts I think hit the nail on the head.
This economy has shown no mercy to our industry and it's quite evident that the 3 shops in just this community will most likely not be the last casualties. Shops that focused greatly on labor and didn't have a strong internet/mail order presence are being hit the hardest. Also, shops that embodied those variables and also had huge overhead (which is common when focusing greatly on labor) are also going by the wayside. Unfortunately, when times are good, many shops don't put away for rainy weather, and/or try to grab onto private investors. Even before this economic meltdown, the half-life of shops in this industry was about 2 years. If a new shop didn't grab hold of a niche or have a gianormous nest egg (or substantial luck) the writing was on the wall w/in the first year.
Let's just hope that Mark doesn't go under, and that his customers get what they paid for. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I'm of the mindset that people should have the chance to redeem themselves -- even when it appears that the cards are stacked against him.
darrren
EDIT: Nice sig go-fast!!!
This economy has shown no mercy to our industry and it's quite evident that the 3 shops in just this community will most likely not be the last casualties. Shops that focused greatly on labor and didn't have a strong internet/mail order presence are being hit the hardest. Also, shops that embodied those variables and also had huge overhead (which is common when focusing greatly on labor) are also going by the wayside. Unfortunately, when times are good, many shops don't put away for rainy weather, and/or try to grab onto private investors. Even before this economic meltdown, the half-life of shops in this industry was about 2 years. If a new shop didn't grab hold of a niche or have a gianormous nest egg (or substantial luck) the writing was on the wall w/in the first year.
Let's just hope that Mark doesn't go under, and that his customers get what they paid for. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I'm of the mindset that people should have the chance to redeem themselves -- even when it appears that the cards are stacked against him.
darrren
EDIT: Nice sig go-fast!!!
12-14-2008, 08:06 AM
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^^ The last 3 posts I think hit the nail on the head.
This economy has shown no mercy to our industry and it's quite evident that the 3 shops in just this community will most likely not be the last casualties. Shops that focused greatly on labor and didn't have a strong internet/mail order presence are being hit the hardest. Also, shops that embodied those variables and also had huge overhead (which is common when focusing greatly on labor) are also going by the wayside. Unfortunately, when times are good, many shops don't put away for rainy weather, and/or try to grab onto private investors. Even before this economic meltdown, the half-life of shops in this industry was about 2 years. If a new shop didn't grab hold of a niche or have a gianormous nest egg (or substantial luck) the writing was on the wall w/in the first year.
Let's just hope that Mark doesn't go under, and that his customers get what they paid for. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I'm of the mindset that people should have the chance to redeem themselves -- even when it appears that the cards are stacked against him.
darrren
This economy has shown no mercy to our industry and it's quite evident that the 3 shops in just this community will most likely not be the last casualties. Shops that focused greatly on labor and didn't have a strong internet/mail order presence are being hit the hardest. Also, shops that embodied those variables and also had huge overhead (which is common when focusing greatly on labor) are also going by the wayside. Unfortunately, when times are good, many shops don't put away for rainy weather, and/or try to grab onto private investors. Even before this economic meltdown, the half-life of shops in this industry was about 2 years. If a new shop didn't grab hold of a niche or have a gianormous nest egg (or substantial luck) the writing was on the wall w/in the first year.
Let's just hope that Mark doesn't go under, and that his customers get what they paid for. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I'm of the mindset that people should have the chance to redeem themselves -- even when it appears that the cards are stacked against him.
darrren
12-14-2008, 12:22 PM
#475
Still waiting for the bombshell drama to hit in this thread. I thought there was someone that was going to post some 8-9 popcorn material, but so far nothing new has come up.
To those members waiting on parts: I still think the attorney letter works. It puts a timeframe in place and allows you to pursue a small claims case at the least. In fact, maybe several members could come together and make a mini class action suit (not even sure that is real). This may get the $$$ up high enough to make it more than small claims and petty theft. Even if you end up as individuals in small claims, you could seek to recover your damages plus attorney expenses.
Either that or a serious face to face confrontation is coming soon. Just show up and ask for your parts, if they are not there, ask where they are and tell SGP to call the other shop and tell them you are on your way to pic them up. If SGP cannot get your parts released because of $$$, you can pay the other shop directly for their work or just call the local police from the parking lot of SGP to report a theft. As long as you are willing to pay for any work that has been started/performed, you should be able to claim your property.
Last ditch dirty tactic, call the local newspaper or TV station and direct them to this thread and threads on other forums. Wait till right after Christmas when there is a slow news cycle and they may run a story on a local business that is under fire on the internet for their practices. Just my.
To those members waiting on parts: I still think the attorney letter works. It puts a timeframe in place and allows you to pursue a small claims case at the least. In fact, maybe several members could come together and make a mini class action suit (not even sure that is real). This may get the $$$ up high enough to make it more than small claims and petty theft. Even if you end up as individuals in small claims, you could seek to recover your damages plus attorney expenses.
Either that or a serious face to face confrontation is coming soon. Just show up and ask for your parts, if they are not there, ask where they are and tell SGP to call the other shop and tell them you are on your way to pic them up. If SGP cannot get your parts released because of $$$, you can pay the other shop directly for their work or just call the local police from the parking lot of SGP to report a theft. As long as you are willing to pay for any work that has been started/performed, you should be able to claim your property.
Last ditch dirty tactic, call the local newspaper or TV station and direct them to this thread and threads on other forums. Wait till right after Christmas when there is a slow news cycle and they may run a story on a local business that is under fire on the internet for their practices. Just my
. But I have another angle that is being worked on this coming week.
I've got my fingers crossed! 
12-14-2008, 12:27 PM
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I have no idea and no educated guesses about any other shops being on the verge of going out of business.^^ The last 3 posts I think hit the nail on the head.
This economy has shown no mercy to our industry and it's quite evident that the 3 shops in just this community will most likely not be the last casualties. Shops that focused greatly on labor and didn't have a strong internet/mail order presence are being hit the hardest. Also, shops that embodied those variables and also had huge overhead (which is common when focusing greatly on labor) are also going by the wayside. Unfortunately, when times are good, many shops don't put away for rainy weather, and/or try to grab onto private investors. Even before this economic meltdown, the half-life of shops in this industry was about 2 years. If a new shop didn't grab hold of a niche or have a gianormous nest egg (or substantial luck) the writing was on the wall w/in the first year.
Let's just hope that Mark doesn't go under, and that his customers get what they paid for. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I'm of the mindset that people should have the chance to redeem themselves -- even when it appears that the cards are stacked against him.
darrren
EDIT: Nice sig go-fast!!!
This economy has shown no mercy to our industry and it's quite evident that the 3 shops in just this community will most likely not be the last casualties. Shops that focused greatly on labor and didn't have a strong internet/mail order presence are being hit the hardest. Also, shops that embodied those variables and also had huge overhead (which is common when focusing greatly on labor) are also going by the wayside. Unfortunately, when times are good, many shops don't put away for rainy weather, and/or try to grab onto private investors. Even before this economic meltdown, the half-life of shops in this industry was about 2 years. If a new shop didn't grab hold of a niche or have a gianormous nest egg (or substantial luck) the writing was on the wall w/in the first year.
Let's just hope that Mark doesn't go under, and that his customers get what they paid for. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I'm of the mindset that people should have the chance to redeem themselves -- even when it appears that the cards are stacked against him.
darrren
EDIT: Nice sig go-fast!!!
Well said D.
I think you hit the nail on the head sir.
... *cough* Scott Bush with VRT and then RA *cough* 
12-14-2008, 08:29 PM
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as ugly as it gets,i think it's healthy to clean house.the survivors are the cream of the crop and earned their place with quality work and people skills.longevity is the best indicator of who to call for work.cheats are in for the short money and ego's go bankrupt,survival of the fittest is the way it should be.the down side is casualty's like yourself,but hopefully my shameless bump's will hold their feet to fire.
