interesting bad built motor thread on G35driver.......
Based completely on what Julian said in the G35driver thread that video can NOT be motor number 2 - the motor mostly talked about in the thread. Motor #2 is also the motor that GTM and MRC have agreed to fix based on whos fault it is. I will make one assumption here, if EITHER shop felt that the customer may be to blame for the damage to motor #2 I would doubt the shops would enter in to such an agreement.
Julian said himself that when they first started the second motor it was only running on one bank:
The car in that video was definatly firing on ALL cylinders!
Reference: http://g35driver.com/forums/3568275-post186.html
Julian said himself that when they first started the second motor it was only running on one bank:
Originally Posted by Julian
Romey's NEW MOTOR:
got it back form GTM fully assembled minus the timing chain and cover. We did that install here, and installed the motor in the car. The car started and ran on 3 cylinders. We did a compression test and found one bank to be of much lower compression. We did a leak down and found that the exhaust valves on that particular bank were hanging opened and leaking air.
got it back form GTM fully assembled minus the timing chain and cover. We did that install here, and installed the motor in the car. The car started and ran on 3 cylinders. We did a compression test and found one bank to be of much lower compression. We did a leak down and found that the exhaust valves on that particular bank were hanging opened and leaking air.
Reference: http://g35driver.com/forums/3568275-post186.html
Last edited by KPierson; Oct 29, 2008 at 02:04 PM.
So that entire post, video everything was worthless. Got it.
Please disregard that video and do not jump on Romey about it. Whatever is in that video that Romey might have done wrong is not the issue. Let's wait for the analysis on the second engine to be published. That is ALL that matters in the context of this thread.
Please disregard that video and do not jump on Romey about it. Whatever is in that video that Romey might have done wrong is not the issue. Let's wait for the analysis on the second engine to be published. That is ALL that matters in the context of this thread.
So that entire post, video everything was worthless. Got it.
Please disregard that video and do not jump on Romey about it. Whatever is in that video that Romey might have done wrong is not the issue. Let's wait for the analysis on the second engine to be published. That is ALL that matters in the context of this thread.
Please disregard that video and do not jump on Romey about it. Whatever is in that video that Romey might have done wrong is not the issue. Let's wait for the analysis on the second engine to be published. That is ALL that matters in the context of this thread.
Guys,
This it the biggest sh!tshow I have ever seen in my life on g35driver. There are a couple people in this board who know what has happened between myself and MRC...those who know the true story in its entirety can vouch for me. I can't post about it now as much as I REALLY want to.
As I said on G35Driver....those who do not know Rome, never met him, don't have his phone number, never called or texted him and want to question his integrity... STFU
Julian's post is riddled with lies. THIS is the true MRC
WHICHEVER SHOP IS RESPONSIBLE: Per your agreement, pay Rome every m0therf*cking PENNY you OWE him.
God help the shop that screws Rome....I doubt your doors will be open past New Years
This it the biggest sh!tshow I have ever seen in my life on g35driver. There are a couple people in this board who know what has happened between myself and MRC...those who know the true story in its entirety can vouch for me. I can't post about it now as much as I REALLY want to.
As I said on G35Driver....those who do not know Rome, never met him, don't have his phone number, never called or texted him and want to question his integrity... STFU
Julian's post is riddled with lies. THIS is the true MRC
WHICHEVER SHOP IS RESPONSIBLE: Per your agreement, pay Rome every m0therf*cking PENNY you OWE him.
God help the shop that screws Rome....I doubt your doors will be open past New Years
like Rome said...what does motor 1 have to do with the current motor? Unless it wasn't fixed by Julian in the first place...just don't want to be confused with 2 issues...
I just want to know (and I'm sure all others too) who's at fault THIS TIME (as this thread is about) and what happened? So we can all learn from it...
I just want to know (and I'm sure all others too) who's at fault THIS TIME (as this thread is about) and what happened? So we can all learn from it...
Why did you just accept it, yet you ask Rome/or show interest now to find out who/what is at fault?
This whole situation stinks.
Last edited by Alberto; Oct 29, 2008 at 02:21 PM.
The engine was delivered as an assembly without the intake system. The first step was to remove the front engine cover to expose the timing chain, cam gears and crankshaft gear. The cam timing was set correctly (see photos).
The next step was to perform a “leak down” test to check the integrity and condition of the piston rings and valves for proper sealing. The leak down was as follows - # 1 cylinder was 8%, with small leak from intake and exhaust valves; #2 cylinder was 15% with leakage from intake and exhaust valves; #3 cylinder was 10% small leakage from exhaust valves; #4 cylinder 8% small leakage from exhaust valves; #5 cylinder 6% with small leakage from intake valves; #6 cylinder 8% with small leak from intake and exhaust valves.
The cylinder heads were removed next. Checks were made to see any valves were bent, all are fine. Next valve lash was checked on both heads and found them all be within spec.
The now exposed cylinders were checked to find that the left side of the engine (cylinders 2, 4 & 6) were clean having not fired with a slight coating of oil. They appearance was that they were just installed. We saw that fuel was being injected but the cylinders were not firing.
The other bank of cylinders (1, 3, & 5), all appeared to have been firing and were covered with a fixture of black carbon and oil. It is obvious that these cylinders were firing but miss firing.
The pistons were then removed to inspect piston rings and condition of the cylinder walls. There is a trace of slight scuffing but should affect the overall operation of the engine. All connecting rod bearing clearance were then examined and found to be in spec.
Please note that we were not able to perform a compression test and see the condition of the spark plugs.
SUMMARY
It is our opinion that the left side bank of the engine, cylinders 2, 4 & 6 were not firing do to lack of fuel or ignition more so the later based on a fuel spray pattern noticed on cylinder #6 (see photo). It also appears that the right bank was firing on all three cylinders but seam to have and overly rich fuel mixture.
Please review and let us know if you need anymore details.
Joe & Bert
IMP Motorsports[/B]
Te way the report reads is a bit inconclusive...It doe ssay that one side of the engine was not firing, However also goes to state unacceptable leakdown percentages on a brand new motor that was not run. The valves are not fully seating, we had nothing to do with the valves. Rome is under the impression that the summary is the end all, but only explains "why didnt the car run". Well we already knew why the car did not run, it was not firing on 3 cylinders.. What the summary does NOT include, that will be added by Joe and bert, is that the leakdown numbers are not within accpetable range. I asked Joe if the car would runif it had spark and fuel, he said yes, but not 100%. The bottom line is MRC is liable for the fuel and spark diagnosis. GTM should be liable for the repair of the heads, as the heads were in their possesion when Romes bottom end got done, and were dissasembled and sand blasted at GTM.When we got the heads back they were spotless..
Our compression on a brand new moroe was 145psi across 3 cylinders and 110psi across the fualty ones, clearly NOT a fuel or spark issue.
We will make good for our "portion" of the repairs we agrred upon. We are not 100% Liable for Romeys issues however...[/QUOTE]
The next step was to perform a “leak down” test to check the integrity and condition of the piston rings and valves for proper sealing. The leak down was as follows - # 1 cylinder was 8%, with small leak from intake and exhaust valves; #2 cylinder was 15% with leakage from intake and exhaust valves; #3 cylinder was 10% small leakage from exhaust valves; #4 cylinder 8% small leakage from exhaust valves; #5 cylinder 6% with small leakage from intake valves; #6 cylinder 8% with small leak from intake and exhaust valves.
The cylinder heads were removed next. Checks were made to see any valves were bent, all are fine. Next valve lash was checked on both heads and found them all be within spec.
The now exposed cylinders were checked to find that the left side of the engine (cylinders 2, 4 & 6) were clean having not fired with a slight coating of oil. They appearance was that they were just installed. We saw that fuel was being injected but the cylinders were not firing.
The other bank of cylinders (1, 3, & 5), all appeared to have been firing and were covered with a fixture of black carbon and oil. It is obvious that these cylinders were firing but miss firing.
The pistons were then removed to inspect piston rings and condition of the cylinder walls. There is a trace of slight scuffing but should affect the overall operation of the engine. All connecting rod bearing clearance were then examined and found to be in spec.
Please note that we were not able to perform a compression test and see the condition of the spark plugs.
SUMMARY
It is our opinion that the left side bank of the engine, cylinders 2, 4 & 6 were not firing do to lack of fuel or ignition more so the later based on a fuel spray pattern noticed on cylinder #6 (see photo). It also appears that the right bank was firing on all three cylinders but seam to have and overly rich fuel mixture.
Please review and let us know if you need anymore details.
Joe & Bert
IMP Motorsports[/B]
Te way the report reads is a bit inconclusive...It doe ssay that one side of the engine was not firing, However also goes to state unacceptable leakdown percentages on a brand new motor that was not run. The valves are not fully seating, we had nothing to do with the valves. Rome is under the impression that the summary is the end all, but only explains "why didnt the car run". Well we already knew why the car did not run, it was not firing on 3 cylinders.. What the summary does NOT include, that will be added by Joe and bert, is that the leakdown numbers are not within accpetable range. I asked Joe if the car would runif it had spark and fuel, he said yes, but not 100%. The bottom line is MRC is liable for the fuel and spark diagnosis. GTM should be liable for the repair of the heads, as the heads were in their possesion when Romes bottom end got done, and were dissasembled and sand blasted at GTM.When we got the heads back they were spotless..
Our compression on a brand new moroe was 145psi across 3 cylinders and 110psi across the fualty ones, clearly NOT a fuel or spark issue.
We will make good for our "portion" of the repairs we agrred upon. We are not 100% Liable for Romeys issues however...[/QUOTE]
So that entire post, video everything was worthless. Got it.
Please disregard that video and do not jump on Romey about it. Whatever is in that video that Romey might have done wrong is not the issue. Let's wait for the analysis on the second engine to be published. That is ALL that matters in the context of this thread.
Please disregard that video and do not jump on Romey about it. Whatever is in that video that Romey might have done wrong is not the issue. Let's wait for the analysis on the second engine to be published. That is ALL that matters in the context of this thread.
seriously dissapointed that his "friends" tried to throw him under the bus when its not even the engine in question.this was coordinated by G and julian ...
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Oct 29, 2008 at 03:00 PM.
what a crock of **** Julian is shoveling, how did he expect good compression numbers on cylinders not firing and wall being washed by fuel. I have a feeling something got screwed up with the ignition system whether EMS related or installation and the disassembly of this second motor was unnecessary, more troubleshooting should have been done before jumping to the conclusion that there must be something wrong with the motor
Why didnt you take the issue up with Sam when your HG failed? From what you posted, you drove the car at low boost 99% of the time, had some issues where you didnt touch the car, then simply accepted the failure and had another HG put in with no issues before selling the car.
Why did you just accept it, yet you ask Rome/or show interest now to find out who/what is at fault?
This whole situation stinks.
Why did you just accept it, yet you ask Rome/or show interest now to find out who/what is at fault?
This whole situation stinks.
yes I accepted because 1, the downtime was not worth my stress, and 2, I wasn't even sure the customs guys didn't go for a joyride. I was PRETTY sure, but not 100%. I don't blame anyone of anything if I'm not sure.
That was the path I took, and stand by.
But Rome's issue...he hasn't even touched it yet. So I want to find out who's at fault. And of course, Rome's a good friend of mine.
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+1. for all the times that r0mey has helped out Julian, whether through reputation or on the forums, the way that Julian tried to divert negative attention to a previous, irrelevant issue when he already had the report (if I'm wrong correct me, but....) is very shady.
Julian maintains his reputation for biting the hand that feeds him.
yeah, honestly thats still no surprise, i had seen that video a while ago and its ovbious this wasnt engine 1....thats why i ignored much of the character assasination when it was posted by sam, the problem here is to fix the engine #2, which should have been ok been basically after receiving it, and also r0me need to be reinbursed for the cost of the stg1 cams...
BOth parties need to honor the repairs they are at fault according the to report.
BOth parties need to honor the repairs they are at fault according the to report.
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Oct 29, 2008 at 03:00 PM.
the shops here are not better than each other....
sorry jul/georg... thats jsut the way i see it... as an attempt by both to back out on an agreement...so
"NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO"
sorry jul/georg... thats jsut the way i see it... as an attempt by both to back out on an agreement...so
"NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO"
Interesting post on g35driver from a 3rd party that was present regarding r0mey picking up the car before the vid:
Hmmm... So if it was good enough for Julian to beat on it and hand r0mey the keys, why is r0mey supposedly the bad guy for driving it the same way???
Originally Posted by evslo
Hi many of you don't know me. My name is Tommy I'm an admin on the local NJ boards where julian is a member and r0mey is another admin.
I was one of the people there that night that Rome took possesion of the car. I am writing this as unbiased as possible and just stating my point of view of the events occuring that night.
We we arrived rome was not in a huge rush to pick up his car. Especially since we were coming from a house party that night to pick up the car. We were in no rush due to all the minor problems Rome was already iffy about picking up it up.
Julian already had the assumption that the heads were in fact lifting... and already expressed his concerns to rome. Matt tried to keep Rome calm and described other possibilites for why the car was overheating. But advised that Rome just drive the car how he would normally drive it.
Julian took the car for a test drive, and as we were leaving we clearly heard the dumps opening up from full boost. Julian was gone for a good 25 minutes and fully "tested" the car. He came back and mentioned how LOUD the dumps were when he hit it next to other cars and how they sound like gunshots. Julian also drove this car the way it was meant to be driven even with the possibility of head lift.
When he pulled back into the lot the coolant was boiling, and julian again expressed his concerns but told rome to just "drive it". Matt refilled the coolant and meth, and let us off on our way.
Rome definately drove the car hard that night but he did so under the assumption of the knowledge of his tuner.
Edit: oh yeah this is motor 1 not the one julian started this thread over blaming sam. The car moves as you see in the video. Too bad his "friend" lifted his head on the dyno then gave him his keys
I was one of the people there that night that Rome took possesion of the car. I am writing this as unbiased as possible and just stating my point of view of the events occuring that night.
We we arrived rome was not in a huge rush to pick up his car. Especially since we were coming from a house party that night to pick up the car. We were in no rush due to all the minor problems Rome was already iffy about picking up it up.
Julian already had the assumption that the heads were in fact lifting... and already expressed his concerns to rome. Matt tried to keep Rome calm and described other possibilites for why the car was overheating. But advised that Rome just drive the car how he would normally drive it.
Julian took the car for a test drive, and as we were leaving we clearly heard the dumps opening up from full boost. Julian was gone for a good 25 minutes and fully "tested" the car. He came back and mentioned how LOUD the dumps were when he hit it next to other cars and how they sound like gunshots. Julian also drove this car the way it was meant to be driven even with the possibility of head lift.
When he pulled back into the lot the coolant was boiling, and julian again expressed his concerns but told rome to just "drive it". Matt refilled the coolant and meth, and let us off on our way.
Rome definately drove the car hard that night but he did so under the assumption of the knowledge of his tuner.
Edit: oh yeah this is motor 1 not the one julian started this thread over blaming sam. The car moves as you see in the video. Too bad his "friend" lifted his head on the dyno then gave him his keys
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Oct 29, 2008 at 03:23 PM.
