My Build: The Good, The Bad & The Progress
06-25-2009, 05:37 AM
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I would not even consider tryin to rebuild that same block. Cursed, jinxed whatever. dump it and buy a new long block. I would be throwing bricks thru the windows of that guy that sold it to you! 
You could have Forged, import parts pro, or GTM build a long block for ya in a few weeks and be back on the road in a month if you wanted to.
I would wager that the parts are worth way more than the money owed on the car.
I'd say, dump the car and buy a GTr or a vette. Stock reliabilty with the power you are after.
You could have Forged, import parts pro, or GTM build a long block for ya in a few weeks and be back on the road in a month if you wanted to.
I would wager that the parts are worth way more than the money owed on the car.
I'd say, dump the car and buy a GTr or a vette.
Stock reliabilty with the power you are after.
06-25-2009, 05:38 AM
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Good luck with your car hope you get it straighted out.
06-25-2009, 05:48 AM
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WOW, what a night. I got so hammered I actually woke up this morning and had to check the garage to see if the car was really missing or if I had just imagined everything.
Full day of catch up today at work and hopefully making a bit of progress on how to handle the motor inspection. I have some difficult decisions to make in the near future, one of them being to make a complete list of my parts at their used value and see if it is equal to or greater than what I owe on the car. That way I can see if just parting out and walking away from this platform is even an option.
After re-reading Dave's post from yesterday it appears that the car exhibited the exact same symptoms prior to failure as the previous motor - low oil pressure. It was just being run harder when this happened, so the failure happened more quickly. I feel sick to my stomach when I think about everything I did to get this car to where I wanted and the money thats been spent.
At this point I will consider the car lost for the season and will proceed very slowly and cautiously down whichever path I choose. The only thing I can say for sure is that if I choose to try again, there will be only one shop involved from start to finish, and there will have to be gaurantees on cost, performance and timetable.....period.
Full day of catch up today at work and hopefully making a bit of progress on how to handle the motor inspection. I have some difficult decisions to make in the near future, one of them being to make a complete list of my parts at their used value and see if it is equal to or greater than what I owe on the car. That way I can see if just parting out and walking away from this platform is even an option.
After re-reading Dave's post from yesterday it appears that the car exhibited the exact same symptoms prior to failure as the previous motor - low oil pressure. It was just being run harder when this happened, so the failure happened more quickly. I feel sick to my stomach when I think about everything I did to get this car to where I wanted and the money thats been spent.
At this point I will consider the car lost for the season and will proceed very slowly and cautiously down whichever path I choose. The only thing I can say for sure is that if I choose to try again, there will be only one shop involved from start to finish, and there will have to be gaurantees on cost, performance and timetable.....period.
Sorry this had to happen to you
06-25-2009, 05:52 AM
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My concern is that my engine right now is getting built and tuned by the same two shops that Chris is using. To my knowledge I not a 100% sure of what work goes into this line of work however I do know both parties remain pretty reliable shops and stand behind their work. Bottom line is there is a huge problem here and the “Attention to detail” remains inconsistent. Two engine builds to accomplish one simple goal then FAIL is not good. Bottom line is both shops need to come together to resolve this. Nothing should have to come out of Chris pocket. I just pray that my build has no issues.. with the $$ we spend on these projects no way should there be “FAILURE”.
Chris keep your head up yo…
Chris keep your head up yo…
06-25-2009, 05:58 AM
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Gentlemen, it's unlikely that the rag found in the intake caused the motor to fail. However the fact that a rag of considerable size was left in the piping begs the question of what else was overlooked or not considered during assembly of the motor and install of the turbo kit. I have never built a motor, but my understanding is that it requires the utmost attention to detail and a meticulously organized mind to do it right, every time, without fail. I don't know what kind of track record Hill's Garage had with built VQ35DE motors prior to Cass selecting them, but it's only reasonable after two failures to start fresh with another shop for diagnosis and rebuild.
EDIT: The best advice is to probably have an independent 3rd party trusted by all do the diagnosis at the very least to confirm that this is not a tuning related issue and find the source of the failure. All parties should agree to respect the conclusions of that facility.
EDIT: The best advice is to probably have an independent 3rd party trusted by all do the diagnosis at the very least to confirm that this is not a tuning related issue and find the source of the failure. All parties should agree to respect the conclusions of that facility.
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06-25-2009, 06:02 AM
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After re-reading Dave's post from yesterday it appears that the car exhibited the exact same symptoms prior to failure as the previous motor - low oil pressure. It was just being run harder when this happened, so the failure happened more quickly. I feel sick to my stomach when I think about everything I did to get this car to where I wanted and the money thats been spent.
chris i talked to you yesterday you know my feelings... and sugested solution..let me know what you find out..
i hope this all works out for everybody.. either way i know you will be taken care of....
06-25-2009, 06:05 AM
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+1000000 if he has to come out of pocket for anything that has happened. After two builds, I would go to another shop and incur the labor charges rather than give the same shop a 3rd chance. On the other hand, if the shops are going to eat the cost then you might as well let them handle it.
06-25-2009, 06:05 AM
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Jeezus man good luck with all of this man... I think the top 25 FI HP list should be updated with location so we can get a good idea of where these High HP cars live. it seems like there's literally only a handful of High HP Z's in the north that make it past childhood!
OT - side note:
I just watched a JDM insider video where Phoneix motor sports in Japan were talking about how in the early days of tuning the customers they had had to endure countless nightmares and how the shops and customers had to grow together. This seems to be the same thing that we are now seeing with our Z's in the North.
OT - side note:
I just watched a JDM insider video where Phoneix motor sports in Japan were talking about how in the early days of tuning the customers they had had to endure countless nightmares and how the shops and customers had to grow together. This seems to be the same thing that we are now seeing with our Z's in the North.
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06-25-2009, 06:09 AM
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Gentlemen, it's unlikely that the rag found in the intake caused the motor to fail. However the fact that a rag of considerable size was left in the piping begs the question of what else was overlooked or not considered during assembly of the motor and install of the turbo kit. I have never built a motor, but my understanding is that it requires the utmost attention to detail and a meticulously organized mind to do it right, every time, without fail. I don't know what kind of track record Hill's Garage had with built VQ35DE motors prior to Cass selecting them, but it's only reasonable after two failures to start fresh with another shop for diagnosis and rebuild.
06-25-2009, 06:11 AM
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Don’t know if this is gonna help but when Frank took apart my motor this is what he found.. told me that was the causing low oil pressure. One time I remember driving the car with almost no oil in it.
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06-25-2009, 06:13 AM
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^^^ this is very true i saw this my self and frank has seen this in 3 other cars that have caused engine failure and frank has already contacted a business to make a much better and more reliable gasket to fix this problem..
06-25-2009, 06:18 AM
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I would not even consider tryin to rebuild that same block. Cursed, jinxed whatever. dump it and buy a new long block. I would be throwing bricks thru the windows of that guy that sold it to you!
You could have Forged, import parts pro, or GTM build a long block for ya in a few weeks and be back on the road in a month if you wanted to.
You could have Forged, import parts pro, or GTM build a long block for ya in a few weeks and be back on the road in a month if you wanted to.
The issue is not just the block brother.... last time this happened I lost everything. The block, the headwork, the rings and pistons, the cams, the full ferrera valetrain, oil pump, and the turbos. Just the parts alone for the last re-build was over $7K and that was with me donating my stock block.
IMO it is reasonable to assume I have lost everything again. I got rid of a corvette to get my Z, been there done that, tired of hanging out with old rich white guys at meets that never drive their cars and consider mods bolting a chrome plate between the exhaust canisters. The GTR is not what I want, I'm sure its a performance monster, but the looks don't do anything for me and if I'm going to spend that kind of money on a car I need to LOVE it.
06-25-2009, 06:26 AM
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just questions. when was the second oil change done? was the oil checked after the low oil pressure was seen? seeing that this was what happened to the last motor... there are so many different variables its not even funny. there are so many things that could have been done for precautions after finding the rag.. were they all taken?
chris i talked to you yesterday you know my feelings... and sugested solution..let me know what you find out..
i hope this all works out for everybody.. either way i know you will be taken care of....
chris i talked to you yesterday you know my feelings... and sugested solution..let me know what you find out..
i hope this all works out for everybody.. either way i know you will be taken care of....
What precautions do you speak of regarding the rag?
I'm not here to point fingers or bash anyone, but like I said last night, I don't feel I should eat this one. I never even had the car. What happens if a gasket failed? Who is resposible then
06-25-2009, 06:41 AM
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hey man please dont let this thread turn you away from using either one of these shops. they are both excellent shops period. i promise and this is a very sad out come right now but in the end will show you just how stand up these shops really are and how they stand behind their work.. period
06-25-2009, 07:04 AM
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hey man please dont let this thread turn you away from using either one of these shops. they are both excellent shops period. i promise and this is a very sad out come right now but in the end will show you just how stand up these shops really are and how they stand behind their work.. period
06-25-2009, 07:53 AM
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wow, i missed where you used your own longblock. Thats really crazy then. 2 similar fails on 2 different motors. thats a systematic error from the builder.
I hope everything isnt wiped out.
I guess at this point I could never love my G/Z anymore either.
LOL about the vette owners. So true
I hope everything isnt wiped out.
I guess at this point I could never love my G/Z anymore either.
LOL about the vette owners. So true
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