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I have a HUGE problem with a competitor declaring a HUGE issue with another product without explaining what the supposed issue is.
Especially since this is the first time I have heard or seen a negative comment about the wastegate placement on the PowerLab kit. Nor am I aware of any performance issues/shortcomings on the PowerLab kit.
On the uppipe well after the two banks have merged. I will take a installed picture next time the car is on the lift.
Normally I would never say something negative about a competitor but that wastegate is located almost 2ft before the two banks up pipes merge. That will certainly cause a huge discrepancy in back pressure between the two banks that the ecu with or without the turbo xs is not capable of compensating for.
Normally I would never say something negative about a competitor but that wastegate is located almost 2ft before the two banks up pipes merge. That will certainly cause a huge discrepancy in back pressure between the two banks that the ecu with or without the turbo xs is not capable of compensating for.
Originally Posted by mrS@momentum
Normally I would never say something negative about a competitor
...this is your first thread here and you are already talking shlt...quite a different picture from what i though i heard at zday... were you busy talking shlt there too?
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Wow.... I have to agree with Quick!!
7 posts and your already talking ****. Hmmm.... I wonder when this kit went into development??? Odd, that there are SOOOOO man "similarities", yet every one on the momentum setup is light years ahead of Powerlab.
O, and Powerlab comes standard with a turbo XS UTEC, or they can opt for a ProEFI, or any EMS for that matter. I have seen them sold with Haltech as well...
7 posts and your already talking ****. Hmmm.... I wonder when this kit went into development??? Odd, that there are SOOOOO man "similarities", yet every one on the momentum setup is light years ahead of Powerlab.
O, and Powerlab comes standard with a turbo XS UTEC, or they can opt for a ProEFI, or any EMS for that matter. I have seen them sold with Haltech as well...
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O, and if you can't look at the picture YOU posted of the Powerlab kit, and can't tell which pipes are the charge piping, and which are the hot side... I wouldn't let you near my car with a 10' pole!!!
Jesus! Calm down people. He's giving his opinion. Can't you just give your opinion back without ripping him a new a-hole?
What sort of numbers are you guys shooting for out of the box?
What sort of numbers are you guys shooting for out of the box?
Any company that would publicly criticize and make incorrect assertions about a competitor's product when they "have never seen a PowerLab kit in person" deserves to get ripped a new A-hole and is setting themselves up to lose a lawsuit.
When PowerLab developed their kit with Intense, they looked to improve upon the known shortcomings and problems/issues with the Turbonetics kit that were well known and well documented within the VQ community. They dissected the Turbonetics kit as part of their R&D of the PowerLab kit. Intense had sold and installed numerous Turbonetics kits. In fact, Darren had the Turbonetics kit on his Z. Intense and PowerLab were speaking from extensive experience when they claimed improvements over the Turbonetics design. Nothing that Intense stated on the forums in comparisons between the PowerLab and Turbonetics kit was untrue.
However, by the statements of Scott@Momentum, it is quite obvious that Momentum Performance did not do the same with the PowerLab kit when they developed their own copy. Hence the ignorant comments made by Momentum in this thread based off of a picture. Until they...
It is laughable for Scott (who hasn't seen, installed, or tested a PowerLab kit) to claim a problem with the wastegate location on the PowerLab kit when not a single end user has reported problems that could be associated with it since the PowerLab kit was introduced over a year ago.
When PowerLab developed their kit with Intense, they looked to improve upon the known shortcomings and problems/issues with the Turbonetics kit that were well known and well documented within the VQ community. They dissected the Turbonetics kit as part of their R&D of the PowerLab kit. Intense had sold and installed numerous Turbonetics kits. In fact, Darren had the Turbonetics kit on his Z. Intense and PowerLab were speaking from extensive experience when they claimed improvements over the Turbonetics design. Nothing that Intense stated on the forums in comparisons between the PowerLab and Turbonetics kit was untrue.
However, by the statements of Scott@Momentum, it is quite obvious that Momentum Performance did not do the same with the PowerLab kit when they developed their own copy. Hence the ignorant comments made by Momentum in this thread based off of a picture. Until they...
- see a PowerLab kit in person
- ride in a PowerLab equipped Z or G
- install a PowerLab kit
- test a PowerLab kit
- disassemble a PowerLab kit
It is laughable for Scott (who hasn't seen, installed, or tested a PowerLab kit) to claim a problem with the wastegate location on the PowerLab kit when not a single end user has reported problems that could be associated with it since the PowerLab kit was introduced over a year ago.
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Scott , since I started this thread , I guess I owe you some advice. "Don't cast FUD on this forum" , you'll get your head chewn off (and rightfully so). Two items in you list above are inaccurate and somewhat inflamatory.
a) "Their wastegate placement is a HUGE issue.."
Given the pretty extensive PL field experience, this has not been provent o be the case.
b) "That compressor cover is not an option on .."
It is a standard option ,.86 AR cover
Goodluck , even with this bumpy forum initiation.
a) "Their wastegate placement is a HUGE issue.."
Given the pretty extensive PL field experience, this has not been provent o be the case.
b) "That compressor cover is not an option on .."
It is a standard option ,.86 AR cover
Goodluck , even with this bumpy forum initiation.
Well. I'm all for more and newer FI options out there. Probably not the best introduction to the forum, but i still wish all the best to the makers and hope it performs well. Make sure you keep it reasonably priced to.
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I saw the story in the latest Z mag. Looks like it has great potential. I would definitely let them experiment with my Z if I lived closer. Good luck with it!
core efficiency is just as important, if not moreso, than core size. It's a case where size doesn't always matter
well id like to see that core get pushed to 1000hp....and you are also assuming that the core really is that much more efficient when you havent seen the on the PL kit too.
The green widebody G never changed to a bigger core, it used the standard ont he kit THe did use a baller 5" core onte the TT Gt37r turbo build.
The green widebody G never changed to a bigger core, it used the standard ont he kit THe did use a baller 5" core onte the TT Gt37r turbo build.
I looked at the dyno graphs on your site, and the 3.8L dyno doesn't represent the bulk of potential consumers here. Could we see a dyno graph , stock DE block , rwhp,rwtq , psi , ~91 oct?
Thanx.
Last edited by G3po; Jun 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM.
We actually don't have a current graph with 91 octane as its not readily available in our area. We generally tune on 93 octane I will make a point of finding a pump with 91 octane and seeing how much of a difference there is. I'll have someone post a dyno graph on monday with 93 octane, I am actually on the dyno now with my car unfortunately I do not have a picture hosting account. The car makes 391whp on 8psi on 93 octane.