Longevity of full builds, the good the bad
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Who installed these engines that are failing? Seems like you went to the same shop over and over to be honest. Are you the installer or maybe a friend? Or did you take it to some random "machanic"? Or was it a performance shop that works on a lot of aftermarket builds? Find someone else to do it this time which I probably stated earlier.
This is to the guy with failing motor, not you Robert_K. Just quoted because of your last sentence.
This is to the guy with failing motor, not you Robert_K. Just quoted because of your last sentence.
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First I think the key factor into this thread needs to be determined if any block popped is due to a machine shop, builder, installer, tuner or, driver error. You can't point the finger to an engine failure due to the builder because the installer used the wrong spark plugs. I don't care who built the engine.
With that being said... Are these popped IPP blocks due to IPP's building? Cause let's be honest... It's not that difficult to put together an engine. Most of us don't due it ourselves due to; time, tools, garage, confidence, knowledge or, numerous other reasons.
With that being said... Are these popped IPP blocks due to IPP's building? Cause let's be honest... It's not that difficult to put together an engine. Most of us don't due it ourselves due to; time, tools, garage, confidence, knowledge or, numerous other reasons.
#347
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Here is another theory....
people are cutting corners to buy a shortblock for 2500, I bet they are cutting corners elsewhere as well.
Honestly, the bubble shops are not the ones to be getting your engine from. Ever see the VTR clip?
How many bubble shops have come and gone? Especially in the mid-a, florida, and west.
people are cutting corners to buy a shortblock for 2500, I bet they are cutting corners elsewhere as well.
Honestly, the bubble shops are not the ones to be getting your engine from. Ever see the VTR clip?
How many bubble shops have come and gone? Especially in the mid-a, florida, and west.
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Here is another theory....
people are cutting corners to buy a shortblock for 2500, I bet they are cutting corners elsewhere as well.
Honestly, the bubble shops are not the ones to be getting your engine from. Ever see the VTR clip?
How many bubble shops have come and gone? Especially in the mid-a, florida, and west.
people are cutting corners to buy a shortblock for 2500, I bet they are cutting corners elsewhere as well.
Honestly, the bubble shops are not the ones to be getting your engine from. Ever see the VTR clip?
How many bubble shops have come and gone? Especially in the mid-a, florida, and west.
#349
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Yeah, like you said it is possible they are cutting corners elsewhere. But the problem to me is that they make enough money building other engines they can probably stay in the Z game. Not like the bubble shops that drown out because all they try to cater are Z's, they have other means of staying afloat and keeping a good reputation.
Frankly I've heard more failures from IPP blocks than anything else lately, that's not something I want to just sweep under the rug.
Furthermore there are a few members on here (midz off the top of my head) who have spent quite a bit on their build and am willing to bet didn't cut ANY corners on their build with the IPP block and still had a mechanical failure.
If an IPP block runs well for you, then fantastic. I don't wish anyone any kind of failure just like anyone else here (why we're even having this conversation). But in general if it looks like sh**, smells like sh**, tastes like sh**, it probably isn't cake.
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First I think the key factor into this thread needs to be determined if any block popped is due to a machine shop, builder, installer, tuner or, driver error. You can't point the finger to an engine failure due to the builder because the installer used the wrong spark plugs. I don't care who built the engine.
With that being said... Are these popped IPP blocks due to IPP's building? Cause let's be honest... It's not that difficult to put together an engine. Most of us don't due it ourselves due to; time, tools, garage, confidence, knowledge or, numerous other reasons.
With that being said... Are these popped IPP blocks due to IPP's building? Cause let's be honest... It's not that difficult to put together an engine. Most of us don't due it ourselves due to; time, tools, garage, confidence, knowledge or, numerous other reasons.
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^ regarding your first engine. I know it's old history now, but something doesn't sound right. A loosely "clocked" compressor coover won't cause you to lose oil. The back plate of the compressor is bolted to the CHRA. Rotating the compressor only rotates the cover.
I'm sorry to hear about your engine woes. This is primarily the reason I let no one touch my motors but me or close friends.
I'm sorry to hear about your engine woes. This is primarily the reason I let no one touch my motors but me or close friends.
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Who installed these engines that are failing? Seems like you went to the same shop over and over to be honest. Are you the installer or maybe a friend? Or did you take it to some random "machanic"? Or was it a performance shop that works on a lot of aftermarket builds? Find someone else to do it this time which I probably stated earlier.
This is to the guy with failing motor, not you Robert_K. Just quoted because of your last sentence.
This is to the guy with failing motor, not you Robert_K. Just quoted because of your last sentence.
Big mistake letting him install and tune my ipp fully built engine.
After that I used a shop recomended to me by bryan at ipp.
Now I'm going with another shop here where I live.
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Here is another theory....
people are cutting corners to buy a shortblock for 2500, I bet they areo cutting corners elsewhere as well.
Honestly, the bubble shops are not the ones to be getting your engine from. Ever see the VTR clip?
How many bubble shops have come and gone? Especially in the mid-a, florida, and west.
people are cutting corners to buy a shortblock for 2500, I bet they areo cutting corners elsewhere as well.
Honestly, the bubble shops are not the ones to be getting your engine from. Ever see the VTR clip?
How many bubble shops have come and gone? Especially in the mid-a, florida, and west.
Headers, so on.
#355
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I wanted sts to do the install themselves since I live only 20 miles from them. They wouldn't do it so I had to use thier vender( walking distance from my house, lol)
Big mistake letting him install and tune my ipp fully built engine.
After that I used a shop recomended to me by bryan at ipp.
Now I'm going with another shop here where I live.
Big mistake letting him install and tune my ipp fully built engine.
After that I used a shop recomended to me by bryan at ipp.
Now I'm going with another shop here where I live.
#356
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ipp dosnt actually build anything he sends the engines out, also if you look a bit alot of people have had problems with ipp engines. oil starvation can very well be the builder IE trying to build the engine too tight i still dont understand why people do this. sure detonation can cause it as well by hammering the bearings but we will never know, although looser clearances and thicker oil will be more forgiving to det as well. seeing what others have posted in regards to ipp engines i would say its more then likely multiple failures on multiple people
like cux said most people who post about them complain about them popping, sure there may be some good ones but alot of people post about failures. sorry but if i pay someone im not going to chance that i might get a bad one its easier to simply just go to a place like dynosty or another shop that dosnt have reported failures. at the end of the day ipp might have a bunch we dont see but so does every other shop you go with who has a proven track record and that is not ipp
like cux said most people who post about them complain about them popping, sure there may be some good ones but alot of people post about failures. sorry but if i pay someone im not going to chance that i might get a bad one its easier to simply just go to a place like dynosty or another shop that dosnt have reported failures. at the end of the day ipp might have a bunch we dont see but so does every other shop you go with who has a proven track record and that is not ipp
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if someone popped an engine from wrong spark plugs there is something serious going on and probably not the spark plugs. i can tell you right now the stock spark plugs have no issues holding up to over 550 hp to the wheels, they dint start to get too hot till about 600 to the wheels. fact of the matter is it might not be hard to assemble the engine but it takes effort to do it right and knowing MULTIPLE engine platforms to determine the correct clearances. ill say it a million times, the vq35 has bearing almost as big as a big block chevy, and bigger then a chevy 350 that regularly uses .0035 clearances for bearings. if you try and use a stock like .0018 clearance for double or triple the stock power your plain ****ing stupid and deserve a popped engine because guaranteed your generating more heat which means more expansion of metals. not to mention pounding the bearings harder which needs thicker lubricants.
just like a mk19 grenade launcher at work, you dont use think water like clp to lube it and take 500 ft lbs of force pounding back and forth, it uses lsa-t with teflon and about as thick as wheel bearing grease the thin crap will destroy it and you will see this with anything that takes massive pressures, you need thicker lube the thin stuff just gets pushed to the side.
you dont see a diesel engine running 0w20 do you? exactly
just like a mk19 grenade launcher at work, you dont use think water like clp to lube it and take 500 ft lbs of force pounding back and forth, it uses lsa-t with teflon and about as thick as wheel bearing grease the thin crap will destroy it and you will see this with anything that takes massive pressures, you need thicker lube the thin stuff just gets pushed to the side.
you dont see a diesel engine running 0w20 do you? exactly
First I think the key factor into this thread needs to be determined if any block popped is due to a machine shop, builder, installer, tuner or, driver error. You can't point the finger to an engine failure due to the builder because the installer used the wrong spark plugs. I don't care who built the engine.
With that being said... Are these popped IPP blocks due to IPP's building? Cause let's be honest... It's not that difficult to put together an engine. Most of us don't due it ourselves due to; time, tools, garage, confidence, knowledge or, numerous other reasons.
With that being said... Are these popped IPP blocks due to IPP's building? Cause let's be honest... It's not that difficult to put together an engine. Most of us don't due it ourselves due to; time, tools, garage, confidence, knowledge or, numerous other reasons.
#359
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I have a few customers with the Dynosty built engines, and they are all as good today as they were the day they were built.
One customer really beats the car to death, from drag to high speed runs and autocross. Still going strong after many thousands of miles. In the end, a track record is something that IMO must be considered when making a decision on what shop to get a built block from.
One customer really beats the car to death, from drag to high speed runs and autocross. Still going strong after many thousands of miles. In the end, a track record is something that IMO must be considered when making a decision on what shop to get a built block from.
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I spent around 25000 on kit, rebuild($3200 of that) , install, tune, and supporting equipment,
I have halteck and osirus for tunning, cjm stage 2 return system, injector dynamics 1000cc injectors, 340lph pump, catch can , high performance radiator, and a lot more.
I built this engine to handle over 700whp easily. Can u guys please quit sugesting I used some crappy parts. Especially pluggs!!!!!
Two miss matched plugged were installed. Don't ask me how.
If you want complete history of my latest build look at my build thread... Momentum gr3794r build.