Dream Works Racing SST Aqua Cooled Super Charger
11-11-2003, 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by whosdady
So why didn't you buy the stillen kit? Its been out for a while and is less expensive (even with the hood) and has the same warranty and power figures.
In a stock Z, 5.5 lbs of boost producing an extra 120 hp is optimistic and will not move you up t Z06 performance (even though the hp numbers will be close) That is not to say with a 50 shot or with other mods that you wont be close or faster
I was suprised that 7PSI didn't put me ahead. The Z is much heavier and a S/C Z is even hevier.
By the way I am not trying to be negative about this kit. I just don't see the advatages of this kit over stillen.
So why didn't you buy the stillen kit? Its been out for a while and is less expensive (even with the hood) and has the same warranty and power figures.
In a stock Z, 5.5 lbs of boost producing an extra 120 hp is optimistic and will not move you up t Z06 performance (even though the hp numbers will be close) That is not to say with a 50 shot or with other mods that you wont be close or faster
I was suprised that 7PSI didn't put me ahead. The Z is much heavier and a S/C Z is even hevier. By the way I am not trying to be negative about this kit. I just don't see the advatages of this kit over stillen.
well they way it appears if there is approx 18% drivetrain loss on a stock output at the crank which is 287 -18% (51.66) = 235.34 and if that same ratio holds true @ 400 Crank - 18% = 328 RWHP
not bad at all from a stock engine. Plus we all know that you can bump up the output of a stock engine at least 9% with bolt ons like intake+headers+cats+exhaust even with their minimal NA gains. So add 9 % to 328RWHP which would be better than 9 percent w/ FI (anyway) but for the sake of simplicity that makes
357 RWHP at least. So take it for what it is and with a warranty to boot without any major surgery on your car and it being easily reverted. For those in quest of every ounce of engine power add flywheel and pullies and well you could easily hit 380 RWHP w/FI.
Im in sign me up!
11-11-2003, 07:16 PM
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umm
the stillen kit that equals the power output of the DW (400hp) is not covered under warranty i think, not 100 percent sure though, and remember you got to get the hood at 650.00 plus paint for 350.00, you are looking at 6,250.00 and change (SC 3,750, interc 1,500, hood, 650 paint, 350)
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11-11-2003, 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by whosdady
So why didn't you buy the stillen kit? Its been out for a while and is less expensive (even with the hood) and has the same warranty and power figures.
In a stock Z, 5.5 lbs of boost producing an extra 120 hp is optimistic and will not move you up to Z06 performance (even though the hp numbers will be close) That is not to say with a 50 shot or with other mods that you wont be close or faster I was suprised that 7PSI didn't put me ahead of a stock Z06 running 12.75's at the track . The Z is much heavier and a S/C Z is even hevier.
By the way I am not trying to be negative about this kit. I just don't see the advatages of this kit over stillen. Both have less boost than ATI/Vortec. It is also my opinion that more boost in the lower RPM's will most likely hurt performance oppose to helping it. I have more wheel spin than I know what to do with now with the boost the ATI kit makes. I would hate to see what you could do with this kit.
So why didn't you buy the stillen kit? Its been out for a while and is less expensive (even with the hood) and has the same warranty and power figures.
In a stock Z, 5.5 lbs of boost producing an extra 120 hp is optimistic and will not move you up to Z06 performance (even though the hp numbers will be close) That is not to say with a 50 shot or with other mods that you wont be close or faster
I was suprised that 7PSI didn't put me ahead of a stock Z06 running 12.75's at the track . The Z is much heavier and a S/C Z is even hevier. By the way I am not trying to be negative about this kit. I just don't see the advatages of this kit over stillen. Both have less boost than ATI/Vortec. It is also my opinion that more boost in the lower RPM's will most likely hurt performance oppose to helping it. I have more wheel spin than I know what to do with now with the boost the ATI kit makes. I would hate to see what you could do with this kit.
I had a 2002 Z06, and the only thing I really miss about the POS was the power. If I can get even close to that in the Z, I'll be happy. I don't track my car nor do I need any bragging rights with quarter mile times to sleep well at night. I just think the Z would feel even better with another 100HP. Gimme the SC and a real warranty and I'm done.
11-11-2003, 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by D'oh
Zland,
Can you find out for sure what the deal is with the front strut bar?
Does it stay or does it go?
Thanks,
D'oh!
Zland,
Can you find out for sure what the deal is with the front strut bar?
Does it stay or does it go?
Thanks,
D'oh!
I am 99% sure that the last time I spoke to Nick, he said the strut bar can be put back on. I dont like being 99% sure when i give you an answer so I already e-mailed him with that question. Hopefully he will reply sometime tomorrow so we are 100% sure.
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11-12-2003, 09:38 AM
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Well
Originally posted by ElvishasaZ
well they way it appears if there is approx 18% drivetrain loss on a stock output at the crank which is 287 -18% (51.66) = 235.34 and if that same ratio holds true @ 400 Crank - 18% = 328 RWHP
not bad at all from a stock engine. Plus we all know that you can bump up the output of a stock engine at least 9% with bolt ons like intake+headers+cats+exhaust even with their minimal NA gains. So add 9 % to 328RWHP which would be better than 9 percent w/ FI (anyway) but for the sake of simplicity that makes
357 RWHP at least. So take it for what it is and with a warranty to boot without any major surgery on your car and it being easily reverted. For those in quest of every ounce of engine power add flywheel and pullies and well you could easily hit 380 RWHP w/FI.
Im in sign me up!
well they way it appears if there is approx 18% drivetrain loss on a stock output at the crank which is 287 -18% (51.66) = 235.34 and if that same ratio holds true @ 400 Crank - 18% = 328 RWHP
not bad at all from a stock engine. Plus we all know that you can bump up the output of a stock engine at least 9% with bolt ons like intake+headers+cats+exhaust even with their minimal NA gains. So add 9 % to 328RWHP which would be better than 9 percent w/ FI (anyway) but for the sake of simplicity that makes
357 RWHP at least. So take it for what it is and with a warranty to boot without any major surgery on your car and it being easily reverted. For those in quest of every ounce of engine power add flywheel and pullies and well you could easily hit 380 RWHP w/FI.
Im in sign me up!
Personally I think the 400 hp at 5.5lbs figure is high, but assuming it holds true 235 rwhp is about right. I think 9% is a strectch for those bolt on items items listed above but I think you bring up a good point. This has not been addressed, but I would think DW will choose not to warrant a car that has any additional parts. IE headers, test pipes, ect. Therefore your 380 rwhp figure may be possible but will not be covered by a warranty.
ZZtop: Yes, I agree the Stillen hood is ugly but to save a little $$$ I could live with it. I have heard others say they like it. Besides a full hood is not necessary. (They sell a cowl) About the carb certification, both are working on getting this and both will get it IMO. As far as the warranty is concerned, the Stillen warranty is far superoir than what has been announced by DW. Stillen has a binding contract garenteed by a company. There is only speculation from DW.
11-12-2003, 11:42 AM
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Re: Well
Originally posted by whosdady
Personally I think the 400 hp at 5.5lbs figure is high, but assuming it holds true 235 rwhp is about right.
Personally I think the 400 hp at 5.5lbs figure is high, but assuming it holds true 235 rwhp is about right.
11-12-2003, 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Chebosto
... who's in charge of the ECU tuning?
... who's in charge of the ECU tuning?
Cheston: FYI, we finally got the track date for the 1st annual Mossy 350Z track day. It is Friday, March 5th. Look in the coupe section, the thread is there. here is the link
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....0&pagenumber=3
Zland - Jeff
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11-12-2003, 01:34 PM
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just an FYI guys - the bosot pressure it is running is a relatively insignificant number in terms of what it will put out - different sources of forced induction are efficient at different boost levels.
I wonder what the noise is like on one of these?
I wonder what the noise is like on one of these?
11-12-2003, 01:48 PM
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I wonder what the noise is like on one of these?
I wonder what the noise is like on one of these?
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11-12-2003, 01:54 PM
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Re: Well
Originally posted by whosdady
ZZtop: Yes, I agree the Stillen hood is ugly but to save a little $$$ I could live with it. I have heard others say they like it. Besides a full hood is not necessary. (They sell a cowl) About the carb certification, both are working on getting this and both will get it IMO. As far as the warranty is concerned, the Stillen warranty is far superoir than what has been announced by DW. Stillen has a binding contract garenteed by a company. There is only speculation from DW.
ZZtop: Yes, I agree the Stillen hood is ugly but to save a little $$$ I could live with it. I have heard others say they like it. Besides a full hood is not necessary. (They sell a cowl) About the carb certification, both are working on getting this and both will get it IMO. As far as the warranty is concerned, the Stillen warranty is far superoir than what has been announced by DW. Stillen has a binding contract garenteed by a company. There is only speculation from DW.
It's not about saving money....that hood is unacceptable to me at any price. In what way is the Stillen warranty superior? Also, Stillen released the kit without the intercooler at first, and there were problems with heat, pinging, etc. I find it objectionable to sell something that is not yet perfected. It seems that DW is doing it right the first time, but I guess we'll have to wait and see for sure.
11-13-2003, 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by D'oh
Zland,
Can you find out for sure what the deal is with the front strut bar?
Does it stay or does it go?
Thanks,
D'oh!
Zland,
Can you find out for sure what the deal is with the front strut bar?
Does it stay or does it go?
Thanks,
D'oh!
Jeff:
1. At this time I will say yes the strut brace will work. However, we may have to make brackets, maybe not. We will know by mid December.
2. As for your brother or other shops doing the install, if the system is installed professionally, no problem with warrantee. If the system is not installed properly and this causes damage; need I say more?
3. I have received your email cc/Dave (SportZ), I spoke to him and he will attach a side bar to the test.; details will follow, as I receive them I will forward to you.
Thanks again,
Nick
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