Eagle H-beam vs Manley H-beam?
11-02-2010, 04:45 PM
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yea i know lol im looking into it cause im doing the build now,im doing it once,and want to do it right...the first time!!! i understand things are going to break,i just dont want it to be anything internal...btw the eagle rod thing i wasnt trying to down you,just throwing it out there,some people have had better luck with it.my Z being the daily driver, im not rolling the dice
11-02-2010, 04:53 PM
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Don't let this thread scare you from eagle rods.600whp is not even the norm. Just because one set of eagle rods failed at 800+ whp d d Don't mean squat. Plenty of builds here run these all the time.
11-02-2010, 05:31 PM
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The OP wants 700+whp. If you polled the reputable builders (IP, GTM, FP, etc) I bet not one would say go with eagles. Its just not worth the risk.
I know how ALberto feels when people talk about sleeved motors. You have people with experience running certain setups that fail and then you have others with absolutely no experience arguing that there is no problem. Zmedic are you running 700+whp on eagles? Heck, you arent even boosted, you are waiting on a kit from BP... Zivman are you running 700+whp on eagles. If not, no offense, but your opinions dont mean squat. Its that simple.
ya i keep thinking in terms of DD, on a dynojet sure with an aggro tune. Briguy only made 530 on his APS at 15psi. I didnt think the 18g were that much bigger..
I know how ALberto feels when people talk about sleeved motors. You have people with experience running certain setups that fail and then you have others with absolutely no experience arguing that there is no problem. Zmedic are you running 700+whp on eagles? Heck, you arent even boosted, you are waiting on a kit from BP... Zivman are you running 700+whp on eagles. If not, no offense, but your opinions dont mean squat. Its that simple.
ya i keep thinking in terms of DD, on a dynojet sure with an aggro tune. Briguy only made 530 on his APS at 15psi. I didnt think the 18g were that much bigger..
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11-02-2010, 05:44 PM
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The OP wants 700+whp. If you polled the reputable builders (IP, GTM, FP, etc) I bet not one would say go with eagles. Its just not worth the risk.
I know how ALberto feels when people talk about sleeved motors. You have people with experience running certain setups that fail and then you have others with absolutely no experience arguing that there is no problem. Zmedic are you running 700+whp on eagles? Zivman are you running 700+whp on eagles. If not, no offense, but your opinions dont mean squat! Its that simple.
ya i keep thinking in terms of DD, on a dynojet sure with an aggro tune. Briguy only made 530 on his APS at 15psi. I didnt think the 18g were that much bigger..
I know how ALberto feels when people talk about sleeved motors. You have people with experience running certain setups that fail and then you have others with absolutely no experience arguing that there is no problem. Zmedic are you running 700+whp on eagles? Zivman are you running 700+whp on eagles. If not, no offense, but your opinions dont mean squat! Its that simple.
ya i keep thinking in terms of DD, on a dynojet sure with an aggro tune. Briguy only made 530 on his APS at 15psi. I didnt think the 18g were that much bigger..
When I bought my rods there were only two choices. Bargain priced eagles or IMHO overpriced pauters. I still contend that at 700+ eagle rods wont be the weak link. That is not to say I wouldn't consider other brands if I were building today.
What I will say is that after driving this car at many different power levels..... you can have 97% of the fun at 350-400 HP that you can 550. If you are building this for a specific purpose I understand, but for a majority street car what the heck will you doo with 700+? I can't even use 500+ effectively
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11-02-2010, 05:53 PM
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The only parts the SP, or IP broke at >700whp has been the rods. SP broke their oil pump but that was at 1200whp and 9000 rpms. The only other failure >700 have been dropped sleeves, which could have happened at any whp.
There are so few cars making 700+whp, its pretty easy to catalog their failures.
what to do with greater than 700? trap high 140s and mid to low 9s in the 1/4. Punk liter bikes on the hwy. apparently 350whp can make city kids **** themselves in fear. double that would probably cause heart failure
There are so few cars making 700+whp, its pretty easy to catalog their failures.
what to do with greater than 700? trap high 140s and mid to low 9s in the 1/4. Punk liter bikes on the hwy. apparently 350whp can make city kids **** themselves in fear. double that would probably cause heart failure
11-02-2010, 06:05 PM
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The only parts the SP, or IP broke at >700whp has been the rods. SP broke their oil pump but that was at 1200whp and 9000 rpms. The only other failure >700 have been dropped sleeves, which could have happened at any whp.
There are so few cars making 700+whp, its pretty easy to catalog their failures.
what to do with greater than 700? trap high 140s and mid to low 9s in the 1/4. Punk liter bikes on the hwy. apparently 350whp can make city kids **** themselves in fear. double that would probably cause heart failure
There are so few cars making 700+whp, its pretty easy to catalog their failures.
what to do with greater than 700? trap high 140s and mid to low 9s in the 1/4. Punk liter bikes on the hwy. apparently 350whp can make city kids **** themselves in fear. double that would probably cause heart failure
11-02-2010, 08:37 PM
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Lol @ this thread. All hail str8dum1 and his 9 second pass and beating liter bikes on the freeway.
O.p get what your finances allows. I would take sharif's advise since he provides the eagles and had more experience with them. op good luck on your build and hope you get to your whp goal.
O.p get what your finances allows. I would take sharif's advise since he provides the eagles and had more experience with them. op good luck on your build and hope you get to your whp goal.
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11-03-2010, 05:24 AM
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It is nice to see some people pushing the envelope - and sharing not only their successes, but their failures, so others can learn. Folks that want to use Eagle moving forward for high hp builds have been duly warned.
Now what about that rotating mass with the heavy rods? That was the only other benefit of the Eagle compared to the others besides the cost. Does anyone even make titanium rods for the vq35de? SP spinning out to 9k rpms used Carillo?
EDIT: What the crap, how can Carillo be so light? https://my350z.com/forum/5829147-post1.html
Now what about that rotating mass with the heavy rods? That was the only other benefit of the Eagle compared to the others besides the cost. Does anyone even make titanium rods for the vq35de? SP spinning out to 9k rpms used Carillo?
EDIT: What the crap, how can Carillo be so light? https://my350z.com/forum/5829147-post1.html
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11-03-2010, 10:00 AM
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I am back.......
Sorry to hear Rich.....
With Riches motor....I made 700whp on FP dyno with the 850BB......then 800whp on DJ.
My stroker build with Eagle Rods made 815whp on DD and 1006whp on DJ.
Rich made close to 900whp on FP dyno using the same Rods....As Raj has stated, thats close to 1200 hp.....300 short of their claim....With those numbers I would not call this a weak Rod.
Sorry to hear Rich.....
With Riches motor....I made 700whp on FP dyno with the 850BB......then 800whp on DJ.
My stroker build with Eagle Rods made 815whp on DD and 1006whp on DJ.
Rich made close to 900whp on FP dyno using the same Rods....As Raj has stated, thats close to 1200 hp.....300 short of their claim....With those numbers I would not call this a weak Rod.
11-03-2010, 12:56 PM
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^^^^^ I will answer that...
With 700whp ++++........You can get from 80 to 160 mph as fast as a Yugo can go Zero to 30mph
.......Well that's what I was told....I don't street race
With 700whp ++++........You can get from 80 to 160 mph as fast as a Yugo can go Zero to 30mph
.......Well that's what I was told....I don't street race
11-03-2010, 01:22 PM
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