Technical Notice To 350z Owners
#61
#62
Originally posted by 12SecZ
Corky's latest book "Supercharged" link
Corky's latest book "Supercharged" link
#65
anywayz......ATI Procharger, how about that buy-back?.....I know you want to square this up with your customers......this sounds like a great way to do it
side note: MaxHax doesn't have the Injen, or a wideband O2
side note: MaxHax doesn't have the Injen, or a wideband O2
Last edited by elektrik_juggernaut; 11-25-2003 at 09:31 AM.
#66
You have to be an idiot to know that isn't MaxHax. See the little search icon.. Click it. It is obviously him.. WHy are you fronting in your posts that your engine never blew? That doesn't make sense. It obviously did.
#67
Oh ok, so its not the same DB supercharger z with the technos and PE injectors. Thats what he claimed in another thread. There must just be two of them
I dont see why a person who has stated that they hate this board so much would still come over to the EB.
I dont see why a person who has stated that they hate this board so much would still come over to the EB.
#68
I was asked by Admin to hide my identity for this very reason. I do not understand why people would not want to hear the success story of someone who lost an engine, overcame it it and is posting how he did it. My car runs perfectly and I paid for all of it myself with my own money. Thanks Del350, I hope you feel real good now. I am not trying to hide, I am doing what was requested of me by this forum. I cannot win if I post my good experience or my bad so what is the point? Why do I have to pretend to be someone else? My car runs perfect with the ATI setup. I will save my comments though if that makes you and others happy.
#69
Originally posted by 12SecZ
Why do I have to pretend to be someone else? My car runs perfect with the ATI setup. I will save my comments though if that makes you and others happy.
Why do I have to pretend to be someone else? My car runs perfect with the ATI setup. I will save my comments though if that makes you and others happy.
I appreciate any info that is going to help me go faster and at the same time keep my car safe.
#71
OK bottom line "ATI"
what should we do to insure we don't have any engine problems ?
you are the experts ..... so if we don't change the initial setting of the FMU, don't mod our car so it gets any additional boost, change our plugs even if we have less then 10,000 mile to the colder ones you recommend, disable our traction control so it never comes on, make sure that we only use the best gasoline available (in my case 93 octane, never hit the rev limitor (not sure that is possible), plus add a bunch of safety items ( please tell us which ones), and make sure the car is always going straight so that plenty of air enters the radiator ...... then and only then can we feel safe ???????
One of your customers who hasn't blown up yet.
what should we do to insure we don't have any engine problems ?
you are the experts ..... so if we don't change the initial setting of the FMU, don't mod our car so it gets any additional boost, change our plugs even if we have less then 10,000 mile to the colder ones you recommend, disable our traction control so it never comes on, make sure that we only use the best gasoline available (in my case 93 octane, never hit the rev limitor (not sure that is possible), plus add a bunch of safety items ( please tell us which ones), and make sure the car is always going straight so that plenty of air enters the radiator ...... then and only then can we feel safe ???????
One of your customers who hasn't blown up yet.
#73
Well, there's a right way to do it, and a wrong way to do it......we've seen some successes here on the forums
I think the burden is now on ATI to either provide a source of timing control, or to buy the faulty kits back
I think the burden is now on ATI to either provide a source of timing control, or to buy the faulty kits back
#75
You may be waiting a long time for that... It's clear to me
that ATI thinks their kit is reliable (from their explanations)
as long as you:
- don't corner alot when under boost (for intercooler)
- don't feather the pedal (once on boost, stay on boost until you
are completely done or until your pants are soiled)
Best thing to do now, if you have the kit, is to address the
perceived problems yourself and move on. Even if retarding
timing under boost does nothing, at least it doesn't hurt.
The only thing I want ATI to follow through on is CARB
certification, because that I cannot do...
ATI... where are you?
thanks,
rob
that ATI thinks their kit is reliable (from their explanations)
as long as you:
- don't corner alot when under boost (for intercooler)
- don't feather the pedal (once on boost, stay on boost until you
are completely done or until your pants are soiled)
Best thing to do now, if you have the kit, is to address the
perceived problems yourself and move on. Even if retarding
timing under boost does nothing, at least it doesn't hurt.
The only thing I want ATI to follow through on is CARB
certification, because that I cannot do...
ATI... where are you?
thanks,
rob
Originally posted by elektrik_juggernaut
Well, there's a right way to do it, and a wrong way to do it......we've seen some successes here on the forums
I think the burden is now on ATI to either provide a source of timing control, or to buy the faulty kits back
Well, there's a right way to do it, and a wrong way to do it......we've seen some successes here on the forums
I think the burden is now on ATI to either provide a source of timing control, or to buy the faulty kits back
#76
Yet none of this was highlighted in any of their ads for this kit........to say "after the fact" that this kit can only be used gingerly was a misrepresentation on their part, and needs to be reconciled somehow.......a PR statement is simply not enough to make them no longer responsible.......granted, i can take the kit off of my car and be out $5K, but if ATI persists in doing nothing except tell people not to drive their sports cars like sports cars, they will eventually be dealt with by the powers that be, and will probably lose a lot more than a measly $5K
#77
Originally posted by ATI ProCharger
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3. Rapid use of the throttle: When driving a car and rapidly feathering the
throttle to control a slide, the factory computer is having to keep up with
multiple decisions. The computer is in a struggle to figure out where to be
in the timing and fuel maps, based on load, throttle position, as well as
many other factors. When the throttle is rapidly fluctuated, with changing
load conditions, the danger of the timing, and fuel map selection being
"behind" is quite prevalent. When a car is at WOT (wide open throttle) the
ECM is in "OPEN LOOP" operation. When the car is at part throttle, it is in
"Closed Loop Operation" When drifting in a car that has a stock ECM, rapid
alterations from WOT to Part throttle occur. The computer is jumping from
Open to Closed loop. This switch is not fast by any means, and what that
adds up to is possible errors in the computers judgment. Now to add even
more problems with this is when a computer drops out of OPEN LOOP and
into CLOSED LOOP, for a fraction of a second it hits a map that can be
called a "Quench Map". This adds just another factor to add to the mix, of
the already complicated situation. Even in Drag racing, it is not
recommended to "lift" on and off the throttle rapidly to gain traction. If
this is something you are looking to do, Custom ECM tuning for this should
be purchased.
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3. Rapid use of the throttle: When driving a car and rapidly feathering the
throttle to control a slide, the factory computer is having to keep up with
multiple decisions. The computer is in a struggle to figure out where to be
in the timing and fuel maps, based on load, throttle position, as well as
many other factors. When the throttle is rapidly fluctuated, with changing
load conditions, the danger of the timing, and fuel map selection being
"behind" is quite prevalent. When a car is at WOT (wide open throttle) the
ECM is in "OPEN LOOP" operation. When the car is at part throttle, it is in
"Closed Loop Operation" When drifting in a car that has a stock ECM, rapid
alterations from WOT to Part throttle occur. The computer is jumping from
Open to Closed loop. This switch is not fast by any means, and what that
adds up to is possible errors in the computers judgment. Now to add even
more problems with this is when a computer drops out of OPEN LOOP and
into CLOSED LOOP, for a fraction of a second it hits a map that can be
called a "Quench Map". This adds just another factor to add to the mix, of
the already complicated situation. Even in Drag racing, it is not
recommended to "lift" on and off the throttle rapidly to gain traction. If
this is something you are looking to do, Custom ECM tuning for this should
be purchased.
#78
No one home
they say tech help is only a phone call away ,,,,,,,,,
however after two 15 minutes on hold only to finally get a voice box and then waiting all day for the promised return of call is not what I concider help
however after two 15 minutes on hold only to finally get a voice box and then waiting all day for the promised return of call is not what I concider help
#79
Let me ask you all this since I have no idea. When the other SC's that are on the horizon come out, will they too have the same recommendations? (don't drift, don't use traction control, don't hit rev limiter). I would think that the new SC's are going to make the same recommendations would they not?
#80
that's still uncertain....if the injectors cut off completely when they go into rev limiter or VDC mode, then everything should be fine.....even on this kit.......as far as drifting goes, they can recommend upgraded parts as ATI has recently done........but i will be surprised if any of these future superchargers suggest that "rapid use of the throttle" should be avoided.......that would just make it straight-up useless and impractical, and kill sales right from the start