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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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Here is the kit:

http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/p-114...n-package.aspx

I would call them for specifics.
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 07:46 PM
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Yeah, you'll use an LS transmission and the LS wiring harness too.
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mgrotel
No matter what, FI will be quite a bit more, just because there are a lot more parts added

I guess it depends on what you are doing NA if you are doing CAI, test pipes, headers, exhaust and a tune sure it is cheaper. But if you go all out and stroke the motor with high compression pistons, cams and the whole 9 yards then you are looking at more money and less power than bolting a TT kit to a stock engine.
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 08:49 PM
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is a utec sufficient to tune a turbo setup with? or would i need something better along the lines of a haltech or something similar?
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 09:05 PM
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Some people like U-Tech, some people don't. Another option for a moderate build is an ECU reflash. I have seen people say that they prefer the U-Tech over a re-flash, and vice versa.

You need to spend some time doing some research. There are numerous threads on both the U-Tech and re-flash options. Review these, then decide what is best for you. The search feature of the forum is your friend.
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ttg35fort
Some people like U-Tech, some people don't. Another option for a moderate build is an ECU reflash. I have seen people say that they prefer the U-Tech over a re-flash, and vice versa.

You need to spend some time doing some research. There are numerous threads on both the U-Tech and re-flash options. Review these, then decide what is best for you. The search feature of the forum is your friend.
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 05:56 AM
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^ oh get over yourself, ive done days and days of research. somethings are specific enough that you will never find the answer without asking. if youre too good for answering my questions, then dont read the thread to begin with and save yourself the time
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 07:52 AM
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stupid threads receive stupid replies.
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 2004Black350z
stupid threads receive stupid replies.
+1. and there's been quite a few recently
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 08:00 AM
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more then a few. I didnt read the 1st few pages i thought it was about Ls or FI not another stupid NA Vs FI
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 08:09 AM
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you sure think highly of yourself, would you like to bill me for your time?
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 08:17 AM
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no thx. save that $ get tutored for basic forum reading/searching and will b even
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Guys, please let's keep this civil.
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 2004Black350z
no thx. save that $ get tutored for basic forum reading/searching and will b even
no can do, id rather spend it on a turbo. btw, can you explain to me how a turbo works since i dont know how to search?

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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ttg35fort
Guys, please let's keep this civil.
when you search and dig up old threads, people complain
when you start a new thread, people complain

a guy just cant win around here, lol, especially with the egos
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 09:07 AM
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People won't complain, or even know, if you search.

If an old thread is revived with a serious question that has not been already answered in that thread or another thread, then I don't see why there would be complaints.

Seriously, when I have a question, I first search before posting the question. Far more oftentimes than not, I find the answer.
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 09:20 AM
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ive done tons of searching, im not new to forums. but some questions or decisions need to be made with more specific info than searches will reveal, look at my initial post again, the searches i did said very little about compression ratios. either way, its just bs that most threads have to end like this, its like someone is always just waiting the pull out the "quit wasting my time and search" line. o well, guess ill just have to go elsewhere to get my questions answered. ttg35fort, you have been a great help, thanks
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 10:39 AM
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FYI, here is a link to a chart on percent power loss vs compression ratio:

http://image.hotrod.com/f/editorials...nterprises.jpg
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ttg35fort
FYI, here is a link to a chart on percent power loss vs compression ratio:

http://image.hotrod.com/f/editorials...nterprises.jpg
i was aware of the diminishing returns for increasing compression ratios, but its nice to see actual numbers to the theory. what is that power loss number from? losing power from what to begin with?
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mgrotel
i was aware of the diminishing returns for increasing compression ratios, but its nice to see actual numbers to the theory. what is that power loss number from? losing power from what to begin with?
As you raise the compression, more energy is extracted from the air/fuel mixture. In an N/A application, this correlates pretty heavily with the compression ratio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio

In a FI application, the graph I posted is only applicable before the turbos spool up. Once they are spooled, you are also raising compression with the compressed intake charge. So, after spoolup, the efficiency will depend both on the compression ratio and the amount of boost you are running. When you are running the boost to the limits of the octane level of the fuel you are running, you will be maximizing thermal efficiency from that fuel. In other words, a FI motor with 8.5 CR and 20 psi of boost after spoolup will burn the fuel as efficiently as a N/A motor with a higher CR.

I haven't done any calculations on this because I have not really been thinking about it too much. I'll give some thought on it and do some research. If I come up with anything useful, I'll include it in my tools spreadsheet, which is available to anyone who PM's me their e-mail address.
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