turbo or NA?
what the hell parts would force the build to be that much?
600hp pistons/rods $1200
cams $1100
valvetrain $1000
machining & bearings $1200
gaskets and oil pump $500
random other things $1000
and thats top end pricing on those for a total of $6000. Absolutely TOPS!
where are you getting $15k? or did you just read that somewhere
600hp pistons/rods $1200
cams $1100
valvetrain $1000
machining & bearings $1200
gaskets and oil pump $500
random other things $1000
and thats top end pricing on those for a total of $6000. Absolutely TOPS!
where are you getting $15k? or did you just read that somewhere
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well i thought we wer on the same page when i said dont go NA cause i wannt see the 600hp capable vq35de TURBO that u produce under 15k.. i figured that would be an obvious difference when goin FI or NA.. did u not think i was adding a turbo kit into the price..anyway right on man i dont wanna battle u over ur thread over a mix up of words.. good luck on your build
yea, looking back you were talking about the whole setup, but id still say it would be much less than 15, prob 10 tops since id fab up my own tubing, a friend of mine can weld. there are some return fuel systems in the classified section, etc. i bet about 8-10 grand done. anyway, then i need to ask myself, am i willing to spend that kind of money to have 400hp. hmmmm. how much does an ls swap cost? how many have done it? does it throw off the weigh distribution of the car? btw, i have an auto g35
if you can fab up basically your entire turbo kit and install all of your internals on you block/head.. you will be saving a ton of money.. gettin 400whp is difficult goin NA on a VQ.. i dont know from experience just from what i remember reading.. its more rare.. as far as the LS2 here some info.. i dont know much about it.. i know there are guys on here that do
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-...questions.html
or you should go this route
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...stage-3-a.html
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-...questions.html
or you should go this route
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...stage-3-a.html
well yeah difficult impossible same thing 
if your as much as enthusiast as you appear.. then go FI.. you owe to yourself sir.. i think when ur done with ur NA build u will look back and wish u went FI.. especially with all the resources u claim to have
if your as much as enthusiast as you appear.. then go FI.. you owe to yourself sir.. i think when ur done with ur NA build u will look back and wish u went FI.. especially with all the resources u claim to have
so what about the arguement that an NA engine at 11:1 compression would not last as long as a lightly driven boosted motor at 8.5:1 compression? obviously, if i was always in the boost, that woundnt last as long as the NA, but if im not ***** to the wall all the time, maybe 8.5:1 puts less stress on things the majority of the time. thoughts
NO its not, i was going to build an NA before i decide to boost, to the point where i already bought parts. NA doesnt require a high flow fuel system ($2k), High end EMS($2k+ vs ~$400), as many gauges, or the turbo kit itself ($3k-10k depending kit and new/used), or the cost of the install of the kit on top of the engine build/swap (if not DIY), and Tuning is typically twice as much to tune a boosted car.
Those numbers look realistic, If you want over 400whp or more boost is the only answer with a VQ. I have not looked into NA much (I looked into it 4years ago before going boosted) but to make over 300whp NA is likely going to cost as much as 400whp FI?? Research the Z1 builds on here those guys have some cool NA builds that they have good build lists and results.
Going with the lower compression ratio will also mean you will be down on power when you are not in boost, so 10:1 would make more power off boost than a 8.5:1 and you wont need as much boost to make the power. So unless you are planning on lots of boost I would go 10:1 if your plan is 400whp and 8-10psi, if you plan more boost 8.5:1 may be more suitable.
Going with the lower compression ratio will also mean you will be down on power when you are not in boost, so 10:1 would make more power off boost than a 8.5:1 and you wont need as much boost to make the power. So unless you are planning on lots of boost I would go 10:1 if your plan is 400whp and 8-10psi, if you plan more boost 8.5:1 may be more suitable.
Last edited by Sylvan Lake V35; Feb 14, 2011 at 02:44 PM.
i go through this SAME argument with myself daily. Since my Z is my DD im going to start on suspension. When i buy me a tahoe prob in April or june then ill prob go SC. To be honest with u im obsessed with sound. I think SG headers/XYZ y pipe/MD spacer/AP exhaust and Vortech SC will def well hopefully fix my addiction
ya those a realistic. Thats why it makes those LS2 swaps the best best for staying NA. Still about the same money as full NA mods to make 350whp, but with a 6L v8 at over 400whp that has tons upgradeability.
The swap kit is much less than that. Go look at the Sikky kit and you will see. Plus the LS motor is waaay more responsive to N/A mods than the VQ will ever be. Any person that is looking to build an N/A beast has to look at the LS1,2 or 6 as a viable option because the Power/Dollar ratio is much better.