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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 06:47 PM
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Makes me wonder if tuners could use logmein. If the computer that was hooked up for the tune was connected to an internet connection, a guy (like Randy) could log into THAT computer (from his shop) using the logmein program and actually make corrections directly while your car was on the dyno... through the computer connected to the dyno instead of over the phone or indirectly adjusting and mailing a ROM back and forth.

He probably wouldn't do it for free because he'd basically be tuning the car- or actually monitoring what was happening real time through the pulls.

As for what my point was- just seemed your information was all over the place. Your answer straightened it up.

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Old Mar 5, 2012 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ITNKICN
Makes me wonder if tuners could use logmein. If the computer that was hooked up for the tune was connected to an internet connection, a guy (like Randy) could log into THAT computer (from his shop) using the logmein program and actually make corrections directly while your car was on the dyno... through the computer connected to the dyno instead of over the phone or indirectly adjusting and mailing a ROM back and forth.

He probably wouldn't do it for free because he'd basically be tuning the car- or actually monitoring what was happening real time through the pulls.

As for what my point was- just seemed your information was all over the place. Your answer straightened it up.
you could use several different options, i.e. logmein or teamview, etc.. the biggest thing would be getting the feedback from the dyno, also would be impossible to "hear" knock this way.

Theoretically yes i the answer to your question. assuming the tuner at the car could give the appropriate feedback from the audio and dyno, and the remote tuner was simply doing the application specific part.

Glad to see you taking it to a Uprev tuner! keep us in the loop
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
Nothing against Momentum as they have obviously spent ALOT of time canvasing the local import scene personally selling their kits, but the thing is, we have not seen a turbo kit fail. The reliability is never with the kit but with the motor, and almost never with a stock motor. Baby the tune enough and there is no reason reliability should be a factor. The only turbonetics (which is discontinued) that caused motor damage were ones that were pushed past original intent. Turn that momentum turbo to 25 psi and then judge reliability. Of course Momentum wouldnt stand behind that either....

I'd bet my bottom dollar that 2500$ godspeed turbo kit on a stock motor with a proper tune would be just as reliable.

Just sayin... dont get too caught up in "reliability" of a turbo kit when that is never an issue to begin with. Buy the Momentum kit becuase of the superior Tial housing, the meticulous detail in install instructions, the fitment, etc.
i disagree, turbonitics had kit failers due to piping that was to thin, and i blew my engine with an sts kit because the oil sump pump failed.
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
don't mean to thread hijack but that is incorrect...and utec is essentially discontinued by manufacturer, and it was originally included cause it was the better option back then....you can get whatever ems you want. nobody holds that against greddy kit to refrain from buying it anyways.


Also, gospeed being a tn replica or not, what str8 said is still correct.

I like singles...and on stock block specially you can beat TTs... all depends on the driver. Congrats on yur new build

ps. ok... i must say i dont like the kinetix manifold though...
+1 on the crappy manifold!
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dj lizard
IIQuickSilverII: yes I agree with the main Idea, but I was talking about an over all package.
but yeah that's true I wasn't even thinking about reliability when I bought the kit.
It was greddy TT's, or powerlab. the only thing that let me fall in love with this kit
is the over all quality and the turbo housing.

btw what is wrong with the kenitex I guess it's the best plenum when it comes to FI.
I have seen few cosworth plenum leak when boosted.
it's a single welded piece so no seals headache.
but you might know something that I don't so please enlighten me.
bacause they lied about the power gains.
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by George@momentum
Although it may surprise you, we actually make more power on less boost than the Greddy Twin Turbo kit. We made a video of a customer (who is on this site) who went from twins to the Momentum Single.

http://www.momentumperformance.com/m...lation__S__R/4

On top of that, on a number of our test cars, as well as my personal vehicle, we are making 550-600whp at 14-16psi. No modifications to the kit at all. Here is just one of many dyno sheets from such vehicles.



We also have turbo upgrade kits which eliminate any HP potential debate. We have the GT3794r kit which is capable of 800whp. We pride ourselves on quality and service. Everyone that is a part of Momentum believes in the brand and stands 100% behind the products. I hope that those who have experienced our products realize the thought we put into each aspect of every part.
this is complete bs!!! i have thier so called upgrade kit with the gt3794r and it makes 536whp/527tq on a dynojet with 91oct.

the problem is backpressure,pre turbo piping simply wont flow enough to make higher #'s. its like trying to empty a swimming pool with a drinking straw!

i only know of one other person with the gt37 and he is making 602whp/542tq on 93oct. btw both dynos can be seen in my thread...momentumgt3794r build.

thier you can also see my build from start to finish and the problems i have had with this kit from start to finish (way to much info to write all over).

over 800whp with the gt37 upgrade huh george, lier lier lier pants on fire!

with all the r&d you guys supposedly did,you would have to know the flow limitations of this kit. therefor by offering a more expensive upgrade that performes no better than the gt35 kit is criminal imo.

just so you guys know, i have a stage2 ipp built motor with jwtc2 cams, 5/8" intake spacer,momentum headers,momentum dual cat back exhaust,full port and polish,bigger vaulves/springs ect. also i am useing uprev and haltec for tunning.

with that being said,i still love this kit! just dont waist your money on a bigger turbo.
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 04:10 PM
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Have you talked to forced performance? They are the ones selling that turbo. You should pissed at them for not telling you that it was not right for your application.

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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
Have you talked to forced performance? They are the ones selling that turbo. You should pissed at them for not telling you that it was not right for your application.
why would i talk to fp, or even be pissed at them rich? they dont choose witch companies to sell to. they will sell a turbo to any1 who wants to buy 1.

it is momentums responsibility to make sure the turbo is right for the kit,not the other way around.

i know your not fond of garret turbos, but this is clearly no ones fault but momentums ( and mine for believing the lie ).
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 06:38 AM
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I would still get up with FP. Its their inhouse built turbo and know all under what circumstances it is past its efficiency.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SCHITZTANE
i disagree, turbonitics had kit failers due to piping that was to thin, and i blew my engine with an sts kit because the oil sump pump failed.
oil sump failing won't blow an engine unless it destroys something that causes a leak.

I had my oil sump stop running and all it did was smoke like crazy because oil was being forced past the seals in my turbo. It COVERED the entire area in smoke. There is no way someone coudl not notice it was burning that much oil and shut it off thus stopping any permanent damage with the turbo. As for the engine, if you didn't notice the engine was losing 6 quarts of oil through the exhaust (where oil goes with a sump failure) then it's a user problem.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by binder
oil sump failing won't blow an engine unless it destroys something that causes a leak.

I had my oil sump stop running and all it did was smoke like crazy because oil was being forced past the seals in my turbo. It COVERED the entire area in smoke. There is no way someone coudl not notice it was burning that much oil and shut it off thus stopping any permanent damage with the turbo. As for the engine, if you didn't notice the engine was losing 6 quarts of oil through the exhaust (where oil goes with a sump failure) then it's a user problem.
sorry to disagree with u again, but u got lucky! u were prob seconds away from engine loss. its hard to see all that smoke when ur doing freeway pulls in the darkness of night! i dont know as much as u about fi but dont make conclusions when u dont know all the facts. my failer was just like yours only i didnt catch it in time.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SCHITZTANE
sorry to disagree with u again, but u got lucky! u were prob seconds away from engine loss. its hard to see all that smoke when ur doing freeway pulls in the darkness of night! i dont know as much as u about fi but dont make conclusions when u dont know all the facts. my failer was just like yours only i didnt catch it in time.
btw my engine stil had oil in it. u dont have to lose the hole 6 quarts to lose ur engine!
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SCHITZTANE
<snip>the problem is backpressure,pre turbo piping simply wont flow enough to make higher #'s. its like trying to empty a swimming pool with a drinking straw!</snip>
The up pipe is the same which forces all of the exhaust gases through a ~2.25" pipe.

The turbo kit was designed for 400-600 whp, any promises after that need asterisks.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SCHITZTANE
btw my engine stil had oil in it. u dont have to lose the hole 6 quarts to lose ur engine!
Thats why its crazy to run without an oil pressure gauge with a failsafe feedback loop on any sump pump build. I had a oil ring go on one of my turbos. Smoking like crazy. Thats why I left the car in Chicago because if that seal let go totally, it woulda dumped out 6qts in a minute. You could def lose a motor if you werent monitoring oil pressure and have it stop the car if it dropped below xx psi.

Originally Posted by Lightning Guy
The up pipe is the same which forces all of the exhaust gases through a ~2.25" pipe.

The turbo kit was designed for 400-600 whp, any promises after that need asterisks.
again, another reason why i dont understand the top mount draw besides stock block builds or for a show car. You just cant fit proper size piping.

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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SCHITZTANE
sorry to disagree with u again, but u got lucky! u were prob seconds away from engine loss. its hard to see all that smoke when ur doing freeway pulls in the darkness of night! i dont know as much as u about fi but dont make conclusions when u dont know all the facts. my failer was just like yours only i didnt catch it in time.
Did you not have a warning alarm ring when the pump malfunctioned? Thought this came with the STS kit
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WASHWIZ
Did you not have a warning alarm ring when the pump malfunctioned? Thought this came with the STS kit
yeah i had it, but it failed to sound the first time i blew my engine(its a 1psi alarm). the second time the alarm sounded but i still dammaged my engine.

so dont count on that crappy alarm to save your ***.

also if u have the sts pump you should replace it with the turbowerx e.x.a pump a.s.a.p!
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Thanks, but I'm putting my car up for sale. I will let the new owner know
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Old Mar 31, 2012 | 09:51 AM
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So I am having some problems with hesitation up top.

Could this be attributed to the MAF? (Pmas that came with the Momentum kit)
Should I upgrade to the Uprev GT?

Just wanna know before I drop another $350 on the Maf and $300 on the tune.
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Old Apr 1, 2012 | 01:52 AM
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I would start putting a few more pieces of information together before the guys who know any better will be able to weigh in. Any way for you to get logs so the guys can take a look? Is there actual hesitation or are you talking fluctuation with your AFR?

Frankly- what I've been reading about the advantages of the Uprev GT vs the others is the scaling / resolution "issues" down low- and I thought I read these were mostly resolved. I don't think hesitation up high was one of the issues.

This uprev tuner you went to... have you talked to him about it?

Sorry I can't be more help but you'll probably need to expand a bit in your details before the guys who can help have enough to comment.
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Old Apr 1, 2012 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ITNKICN
I would start putting a few more pieces of information together before the guys who know any better will be able to weigh in. Any way for you to get logs so the guys can take a look? Is there actual hesitation or are you talking fluctuation with your AFR?

Frankly- what I've been reading about the advantages of the Uprev GT vs the others is the scaling / resolution "issues" down low- and I thought I read these were mostly resolved. I don't think hesitation up high was one of the issues.

This uprev tuner you went to... have you talked to him about it?

Sorry I can't be more help but you'll probably need to expand a bit in your details before the guys who can help have enough to comment.
Im gonna start a new thread with the problem so I can ask the entire community, vs just the people in this thread. Ill post the link in here.
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