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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 10:49 AM
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Hi,

Crossposting this on another forum as well. Trying to get ideas/get started on planning exactly what to do.

All of the work will be free so that wont be factored into cost.

30-35k including cost of the car.

Twin turbo's and accompanying engine mods, exhaust, susp, brakes, body

Also, twin turbo is the best way to go or what do you guys think?

Is there a particular year of 350 we should be aiming to get? Anything specific to know about? What would you guys do with 35-40k?

Also if you have done something similar any regrets/anything you would do differently?

we want to do it right the first time and willing to spend more if its needed

Just looking for anything I should be aware of when I'm looking stuff up. Also, is twinning even the right way to go?

Thanks

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Don't want to cheap out on anything. Want it fast and reliable.

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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 10:52 AM
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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 11:01 AM
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Your budget went up $10k since the post on 780tuners.
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do not buy a VQ with the intent to boost it and think you will get reliability. save for a GTR
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Originally Posted by DaveJackson
Hast thee prepared thine angus?
Angus is peppered and salted.

Willing to spend 45-50 to make it perfect but want to start out at 30-35 then go up from there. If we start out at 45-50 itll end up being 60-65 lol.

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Your budget went up $10k since the post on 780tuners.
More then 10k actually lol. My brother is crazy but I don't mind as long as I get to drive it.


Originally Posted by str8dum1
do not buy a VQ with the intent to boost it and think you will get reliability. save for a GTR
Reliability is relative, it'll be driven every chance it can be during the summer but the G37x is his DD. By reliability I mean that we don't want to be replacing engines lol

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Old Aug 20, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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not any sort of expert, but with that budget and what it seems like your looking for it doesn't matter what year Z you get. You will need a built engine and to replace a lot of other things to get the power you are looking for.

start with a clean 04+ 350z with low miles for 15k and start the build from there. leaving you with enough money for everything you would need in a monster build.
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Originally Posted by DrGOLD
not any sort of expert, but with that budget and what it seems like your looking for it doesn't matter what year Z you get. You will need a built engine and to replace a lot of other things to get the power you are looking for.

start with a clean 04+ 350z with low miles for 15k and start the build from there. leaving you with enough money for everything you would need in a monster build.
Thats what I was thinking as well. I was reading that 07/08's are the best year but pretty much 75% of the car is going to get replaced so it shouldn't be a big factor? So km's/condition should be a bigger factor then year
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I'd just get an early 2000 Porsche 991 Turbo lol.... My turbo build has been a headache and half, this is with me and two friends doing everything, so installation fees not costing anything. How about I just sell you mine already done, over 600rwhp, and I get the Porsche hehe ;P.
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Originally Posted by Total D
I'd just get an early 2000 Porsche 991 Turbo lol.... My turbo build has been a headache and half, this is with me and two friends doing everything, so installation fees not costing anything. How about I just sell you mine already done, over 600rwhp, and I get the Porsche hehe ;P.
Lol we were planning on doing everything on our own too. Can you expand on what problems you ran into? And what you would do differently.

Do you actually regret doing it?
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https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...for-noobs.html

Please read the above posted link. 75% of your questions will get answered there and then you can gather valuable information from the members on the finer details.

30-35k will get what your looking for done, but go through that with a fine comb first. Trying to help you from getting flamed on as there have been allot of these sorts of posts not ending up pretty lately.

Start there and then ask more questions.
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Originally Posted by psychoballistic
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...for-noobs.html

Please read the above posted link. 75% of your questions will get answered there and then you can gather valuable information from the members on the finer details.

30-35k will get what your looking for done, but go through that with a fine comb first. Trying to help you from getting flamed on as there have been allot of these sorts of posts not ending up pretty lately.

Start there and then ask more questions.
Sounds good thanks alot.
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cool i just spent 40k on a UN watch Sonata Cathedral, i really want The Freak, saving for that now

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Originally Posted by F34RL355
cool i just spent 40k on a UN watch Sonata Cathedral, i really want The Freak, saving for that now
Nice, I want one of these bad boys

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Ok so I read the thread. What do you guys think is better

Save the money and get an 04-06 VQ35DE, new block and twin it.
Or 07-08 HR and twin the stock engine?

Also, is the Greddy kit worth the extra cash, I'm going to need bigger injectors anyways.

Also, we're encorporating a CD009 tranny into the pricing since we will probably have to replace it eventually right?

Definitely will need an LSD. Am I missing anything?


Other than that new susp, exhaust, brakes. Missing anything major?
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keep it simple, if your looking to keep it budgeted and fairly cheap. pick up a 04-05 z, throw some rods and pistons in, pick up a 20g greddy tt kit an adaquet fuel system and exhaust, a boost controller and have a qualified uprev tuner tune it and make 5xx
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Originally Posted by ace32x
keep it simple, if your looking to keep it budgeted and fairly cheap. pick up a 04-05 z, throw some rods and pistons in, pick up a 20g greddy tt kit an adaquet fuel system and exhaust, a boost controller and have a qualified uprev tuner tune it and make 5xx
Thats the plan, I thought for 450+ hp we'd need a new block though?

The goal power is 450-500 daily.
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Originally Posted by bossmangunit
Thats the plan, I thought for 450+ hp we'd need a new block though?

The goal power is 450-500 daily.
no block is ever needed. sleeving is after 800 ish whp. like i said greddy tt kit, rods and pistons adaquet fuel exhaust, a boost controller and an uprev tune. throw an afr gauge in there aswell
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What about what this guy says:
http://www.*********.com/wiki/index....ight_(Tutorial)

What the, blocked out for some reason, heres the gist of it:


How to do Twins right the first time!!!
Okay, first of all I am talking about Twin Turbos, not doing "twins". There's other websites for that Or for that matter, doing forced induction right the first time whether its a single turbo, TTs or a SC.
Now, some background...as many of us Z owners striving to seek more and more power out of our stock engine, I decided to buy a GReddy TT kit. Had it professionally installed and about a month later...catatrophic engine damage. I broke connecting rod #2 and subsequently it put two windows in my block. So, I decided do it right and do a forged internal build up and I am only days away from finally have it done. But this thread is not about MY build up, its about YOUR build up. I have put together a good plan on how to go about an engine build up AND forced induction to your Z.
First, the price of admission. For those of you that would like to go Venture in the land of boost, the price of admission is a steep one....but well worth the cost!!!
If I had to do it all over....to minimize the time your Z is in the shop and to minimize the TOTAL labor costs and not risking blowing an engine...
I would buy the following in this order...


A cylinder block, this is basically just an engine w/o heads and a crank. See item 1. Since the block is brand new, you don't have to worry about buying a used short block and how it became a used short block. Believe or not, the cylinder block will cost only about 1300. I say only, because this will become your build up engine. From here, you can sleeve it with AEBS only if you plan to exceed 600rwhp. Once you're reaching these power levels, you are in uncharted territory that less than a handful have ventured into. This of course will be inherently risky to venture where no one else has any experience.
Next, you buy a crankshaft. item 27. This will cost you about 550. Now, that you have a block and crank, you can get the bearing codes for the rods and mains and...
Buy the 12 rod bearings item 25 (there sold in halves) and order the 4 main bearings. This will only set you back about 200. You got off easy in this step. But there's more...
Now, pistons and rods. You shouldn't spend more than 2k here if you shop around. My suggestion would be to stay less than 9.5:1 compression ratio. In the simplest terms here...the lower the compression ratio, the higher psi you can run. The trade off, there would be a little more of a delay in reaching your peak hp in your power band. But, you will be less likely to run into detonation issues. Personally, I wanted 9:1, but ended up with 8.6:1 due to supply issues of pistons.
Okay, now you have a short block, crank, rods, bearings, and pistons. But a couple more internal parts to buy, ARP head studs and main studs. These should run you about 450 for the studs. There are 16 head studs and 16 main studs.
Now, you have reached a point where you can ship these parts to a reputable builder and they can build your engine. Make sure this shop has built one before and their machine shop has worked on a VQ-35DE. THIS IS CRUICIAL. Now they can double check the clearances of your bearings and you have a "built" bottom end engine. One more thing to possibly consider in this step is to get a thermo coat on your pistons and bearings. There is debate on the longevity of the coat, but it doesn't cost too much though. Whats another few hundred bucks.
Okay, now this is the step, not step 1, is when you buy your favorite TT or single Turbo or Super charger that you have been having dirty fantasies about when no one is looking. Depending on the brand, each will have something or another you must buy separately. If you've made it this far, you would have researched the shortcomings of your particular kit. At this point you should consider thermo coating your turbo exhaust manifolds and exhaust turbine. This will allow you to keep engine temps down and keep the hot gases inside hot.
Now, you are in a really good position to start your build. But, a few more things to buy...of course. There's always something else to buy! But, the good news is that the remainder of the stuff is usually kept in stock.
NGk plugs...75
Boost controller...450
Gauges....300-1200 (depending on number and type, + install)
Clutch....1k-2k (depending on brand, and you might as well do it while the engine is out)
Fuel sys upgrade...1k (or if you get APS, its in the price tag already)
Larger fuel injectors...500
Thermal coating.....300 This could be on pistons, bearings, or turbo "hot" parts
Once you get back your "built" engine, which would probably take 6-8 weeks if you're lucky. You can now drop off your Z at a good and reputable shop, and they can swap out the engines and install your TT at the same time. MAKE SURE YOU GET A GOOD ESTIMATE OF ALL COSTS INVOLVED AND GET IT IN WRITING ALONG WITH A COMPLETION DATE!!! Okay, enough with the yelling, lets continue. From here, this should take less than a month. So, your Z sat in a shop for less than a month and you have a built engine with TT. AND you were able to minimize downtime, costs, and you even spread out the costs of buying parts and the TT. Labor costs of pulling and swapping your engine and installing your TTs, is now cheaper than doing those items separately.
What do you do with your original short block? No, it does not become a new table in your nook by your kitchen!!! You will be able to sell it to the next guy. And he can still follow the plan I just laid out.
So, you read this far and now you are thinking I'm nuts or maybe the price of admission is very high. Well, you're right on both accounts. No, but seriously, this is the best way to go about it especially if....
You don't want to have your Z in a shop for 2-3 MONTHS
Your Z is a daily driver
Dont think you can take a short cut and just do TTs on stock internals. Come on now, that engine puts down 235rwhp and not designed to handle 350+rwhp!
You can't wait to read my kill stories again. Sorry, got off topic.
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