Well, I've just read all 50+ pages and this has been a very interesting thread, to say the least.

Since I'm going to be keeping my Z a while longer, and the car does need at least another 120-150HP, this system seems to be a very viable option. I was considering the APS TT and even APS single turbo system, but since there is no "authorized" APS installer in Las Vegas, and I don't want to drive the car 300 miles everytime it needs to be tuned or tweaked, this seems like a reasonable alternative to the other packages.

I did find a local tuner shop, LDL Auto & Speed, who just did a Greddy system. I'll discuss the pro and cons of each system with him, but from what I've read so far, I like the Turbonetics system.

One thing that bothered me about this thread, however, was the fact that it seems that Peter, from APS, was banned because of his input. If this is indeed true, I find it appalling. The purpose of these forums is sharing information, and to ban someone with so much to offer, regardless of the bruised egos that may or may not be involved, is just plain stupid.

Had it not been for Peter, the issue of the stock exhaust manifold may never have been raised, and as far as I can tell, Brad never did address this issue directly with the board. It will remain a concern of mine until he does so (if I missed his response, I apologize). The way Peter has continued to feed the APS threads with direct and frequent information should be a business model for a manufacturer concerned about building confidence in his target audience.

Finally, I find it quite ironic that close to the day the self-appointed cheerleader of this turbo system, Miaplaya, was supposed to finally pick up his car, Turbonetics went out and wrecked it for him. Sorry dude, but if you were just little more tolerant of everyone who disagreed with you, you might have had better luck. I'm a firm believer in Karma.

 

Though APS won't recommend it, there is probably someone who has access to Unichip software for tuning in most every major city. Call your local favorite shop and see if they know someone...

 

Peter wasn't banned for that AFAIK. It was him advertising for free...

Brad didn't? He did...plus, PETER IS USING THE STOCK MANIFOLDS ON APS' SINGLE TURBO KIT NOW...which I find hilarious, that Peter first criticized Turbonetics and said he wouldn't do it that way/could do it better and then ends up using the stock manifolds just as they did.

 

The only one in southeast USA is a shop in Al that's a hole in the road basically, plus they have only worked on one import, and that was a Supra. I'd only take my Z to a place that has worked on a Z before and had success, JMO.

 

I can't find Brad's response, but I'll believe you.....so will the manifolds crack in time or not??

Anyway.....points well taken. Thanks for clearing it up. I'd love to hear what Peter might say about that now!

 

I doubt it, it depends on what kind of boost you plan on.

No problem. Probably that it's the only way to keep costs down, that's what he said on another forum at least. These companies are still making a good (and I mean GOOD) profit.

 

No doubt. The fact that APS strictly limits who can install their product is costing them at least one sale right here...most likely of a TT kit. I can understand trying to keep the quality under control, but sometimes you cut your nose to spite your face.

Now if someone can just get me a good price on the Turbonetics with the cat...I've got the check in my hand.

 

The stock headers are made from SS409 double wall steel. The chances of them cracking are slim to none. I'm not even going to get into it with you about my car or karma as you put it except to say that (a) you have no idea what happened with my car and (b) its really nobodys business what happened to my car except me. I would really prefer that accuasations be kept of this thread..

 

Sorry.....but if it was nobody's business, why post about it with pictures, huh? I never made any "accusations." This is not a court of law...its an informational forum. I hope you get your car back soon.

By the way, what did your insurance company say when they found out that the car they originally insured suddenly had about 150 additional HP, or did they already know? I'm not sure how much such a system will raise my rates.

 

That is the info I am referring too. You don't know who wrecked what, what happened exactly or why. I posted pics of it wrecked because i wanted too. I've already said that all I am disclosing is that my car hit a guardrail. Everyone is fine and its getting fixed thats it... You don't need to assume that you know who wrecked it or how anything went down THAT is my point. As for my isurance company I would rather not say except to tell you that if you were smart you wouldn't tell them that you have a kit. Or you may find your policy canceled rather quickly...

 

Okay.....so if I'm SMART, I'll lie to my insurance company. So if I wreck my car and they see a turbo system under the hood, they can refuse coverage because I didn't tell them about it. This coverage could include damage to my car or other cars, any other injured motorist, liabilities, etc.

Yeah.....sounds pretty SMART to me. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

ZZ you're always trying to get under someone's skin.

 

I'm not "trying" to do anything. I've made some observations based on what I've read. If you think that's getting under someone's skin, so be it.

Having said that, the person in question was very quick to be aggressively defensive towards almost anyone who disagreed with him or raised legitimate questions about this turbo system. The feeling I got after reading all 50+ pages at one sitting was that this person had little tolerance for any other point of view than his own.

I respect that kind of conviction, but there are better ways to make your points, and if you're going to champion a cause for a company like Turbonetics, you should be a better representative and take the high road with those who may not see everything your way or may not have access to the inside knowledge that you have. You do the company more harm than good in the long run.

On the insurance issue, I was asking a legitimate question. I did not ask to be told that I'm less than smart if I don't lie to my insurance company. The
possiblilty of being sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars because I was refused insurance coverage does exist......just look at what happened to Miaplaya's car.....accidents do happen. Thank God no one was hurt in this one.

 

Well you can do whatever you like with your insurance company bro. I already told you that I'm not going to discuss that info with you here or otherwise. My point was that when you decide to install your turbo kit whatever brand it may be and call your insurance company to tell them about it be prepared to have your policy terminated. Thats it end of story. There are very few if any companies that will cover you with that kind of modification. I'm not telling you to lie to them..This is what I said

The last time i called someone for quotes they didn't ask me if I had a turbo kit that I recall. So no I'm not telling you to lie if they ask. But I can tell you from personal experience that if you tell them you have a turbo kit you can probably kiss your policy goodbye. As for what would happen in a wreck guess what bro....nothing....Thats right. Kit or no kit unless you were being a jack@ss when you wrecked the car they could care less whats on it. I know two people personally who totalled boosted cars one of them was a Z on this forum. Guess what happened when they found out it was supercharged...Nothing. They even covered his car and payed it off minus the cost of the supercharger kit. They of course would not cover the COST of that. But the rest of his car got payed off. As for the way i responded to some of the posts. I have no problem with people having a different opinion then me...Thats fine. My problem with APS stemmed from the fact that they started bashng the kits design before they even saw it in person. The made comments and remarks stating the stock manifolds would crack althoug they now decide to use them on their kit. My problem with APS is their business ethics. I don't think that its appropiate for a company to come on to a thread about another companies kit and tal crap when they don't have all the details. Especially if they have a kit that directly competes with it. I don't see Vortech, Greddy, etc doing that to anyone else. I already posted all that but since it seems that you are selective in what you read I guess I had to post it again.

 

thats funny.

Hate to break it to you, but most here feel the same way about you.


Please keep this thread INFORMATIVE about the turbo system ...

 

"Insurance compay refuse coverge for having turbo kit", sorry ZZ that's not gonna happen. Them not give you coverge or cancel it, maybe. Not only will they cover your car, but they will also have to cover the kit if it's damaged.

Trust me, I KNOW.

 

Okay......points well-taken. Thanks for the response. By the way, I do appreciate all the info you did provide with this kit, regardless of how you came off as a person.

Insurance-wise, I'll find out the facts when I speak with my agent tomorrow. I do know that when there are turbo or non-turbo versions of a specific production car they need to know which one you have (they can usually tell from the vin number). No one asked you if you have a turbo kit because there is no such production option.....they rarely consider after-market modifications when taking your application. However, if they insure a car that has 287 HP, and you wreck the same car that now has 400+HP, and you never told them, I would think there may be an issue with coverage.....especially if the higher performance of the car could have been a factor in the accident.

 

It's good to know that you speak for most of the 43,600 people here. You must really get around.

 

Well I guess thats kinda what I was saying. Unless you were being a complete jagoff and caused a wreck (racing, showing off, etc) I doubt theywould ever bother to ask or worry about it. In my example the supercharged Z that got totalled was charged with street racing (even though he wasn't) and they still covered not only his car but the damage to the car he hit. It would be no different if you had all the bolt ons for the car and were putting down almost 300 RWHP. Now if you had a 1000 WHP drag car and didn't tell them it would be a bit different. Like I said if they ask I wouldn't lie about it. But I also wouldn't volunteer the info either. I have called and asked random companies about having Forced Induction and they all pretty much told me the same thing, they wouldn't cover you if you had it. No some small ones might but they are the type of companies that I would be afraid to have. The ones that its a pain to deal with should anything happen F/I or not. In most cases companies wont even cover an exhuast for theft anyways so I stopped bothering to even mention it. Now if you have a company that offers an extended mechanical warranty (some do, Progressive, I believe) they may chose to not honor any repairs because of parts but as far aas liablility they are insuring you more then the car. The reason they ask about the turbo non-turbo versions is because in their infinite wisdom someone with a turbo is more likely to be a jack@ss and cause accidents.

 

I've been with AAA for a number of years, and they've never really penalized me for having high performance cars. My 405 HP Z06 was only $60 more every six months than the Z is. I can't imagine why a 400HP Z vs. a 287 HP Z would be drastically different that the 400 HP Z06 is to the Z.....but as you said, perhaps the fact that it's a "turbo" leads them to believe you're an irresponsible driver. Any excuse to jack up the rates, I guess. I'm looking forward to discussing this with them tomorrow.