Trying to!

I was hoping to go down today, apparently the master mechanic is going to come in on his personal time to try and keep the install going.

However since I don't know when he's going to do this, and I'm literally buried with work, I have to take care of client matters this morning/today. So I won't get too many more pixs until it's all done most likely late tuesday-ish.

After the hardware is all in, we still need 3-4 hours onthe dyno so best delivery date now is Weds night, that's with him coming in extra, if he doesn't it won't be until the weekend again.

 

This is the 2nd APS kit I have seen installed with the motor in the car. I honestly have no idea why anyone would do it this way and Z1 Motorsports absolutely will not install any turbo kit with the motor in the car.

 

I'd say it's fairly obvious that the kit install, with engine out, is better, and for more reasons than I would know or understand.

However, I am just as certain there are equal trade offs for doing the install, engine in.

Aside from personal injury, I'd say there is a lot more liability taking an engine out, and putting it back with the kit installed, than with the engine in.

I'm just a driver, with enough knowledge about American Muscle Car engines, to be dangerous around imports or of course newer American engines.

There is a lot of crap to deal with today's engine, and the more you have to disconnect, and reconnect, the higher chances there are of screwing something completely unrelated to the primary task at hand. That'd be my input, completely unofficial, with no foundation, I'd assume this would also add greatly to the install charge to cover the additional time/liability.


Fortunately everyone with their own shop, or own skills, can choose to do it their way and charge accoridngly.

 

bump

 

Ok guys, I'm going to be getting more info to you soon.

I have had the car for a couple days now, and all is very good. I think I'm still needing to work on some bugs with the clutch/flywheel combo I picked up.

Had a nice show at the Mossy Meet.

As I said, more info soon.

Joe

 

As you can see, I ended up with 360RWP and 328 FT LB Torque, This is essentially a 100 HP & TRQ increase.

You can also see how much more TRQ is available sooner, which is where the thrill is.

This is on a Dynamic Test Systems 4 wheel dyno. This is more accurate than a DynoJet based on design/usage.

I am trying to get to a DynoJet sooner than later, just so I could have a DynoJet figure for the "community at large". I should realy get over to that place in Reseda where we had a dyno day, as that is where my last Dyno occured pre-Brainstorm/D.T.S.

On a DynoJet, I would probably get something between 380/400RWHP. I'm assuming TRQ would be relatively the same but I don't know that.

I am tuned more conservatively than "necessary" and this is to allow for Track Conditions, and additional buffer to protect my stock engine.

I am looking into a (2) ECU solutioin to allow for (2) MAPS street/track.

I'll get some more info as to what I "could have gotten" with more aggresive tuning. I'm thinking another 20HP is in there
without too much risk, but for what I'm doing overall, this is just right.

 

Thats hot man from 260 to 360 very impressive...thought normal stock Z give 287hp . and yeah you could get with "good tuning" 400ish hp and some changes, but you gotta watch it with the aggressive tuning man.

 

Hey alpine
congratulation on you APS kit
so your 360hp is no find tune and just out from the BOX ???
very nice number >>>>
Hoply I will be have mine on this week >>>>>

 

Hey Joe
this is kim
when i see your dyno copy i get little confuse
cause Brainstorm told me mine is first kit ordered
but you had a frst APS kit from Brainstorm

may be they sold my kit to you ................................

sorry dude just joke>>>>>>

yes keep post all your MOD. and If you going to track PLS let me know your 1/4 time......

 

287 is Stock Crank, you usually have about 230/240RWHP at the rear wheels.

I had 240RWHP on a dyno jet pre kinetix high flow cats & stillen exhaust. I had 261RWHP after the install on the D.T.S dno.

As I previously mentioned I should have 380/400RWHP on a DynoJet now.

There are so many issues going between dynos, and dyno types, it's impossible to really know what you're going to get with any consistency.

 

It's Called AIR FREIGHT!

I'll keep everyone posted on what I can.

I haven't ever done 1/4's in my z, so I'll need to practice a bit and then get down there. 1/4's don't interest me as much as some.

 

Alpine, I am a bit confused now.

When we all dynoed at strictly dyno, I recall that you had one of the strongest N/A Z's of the day. I believe you were very close to 250whp...maybe 247whp or something like that...on a dynojet. Now you baselined at 267whp on the load based dyno..

Does this mean that this DTS dyno is actually reading higher than a dynojet?

 

He added the Stillen dual 2.5" exhaust and Kinetix high flow cats since the original baseline... I can vouch for Brainstorms dyno being conservative based on other cars I have dyno'd there. The DTS is most similar to a Mustang dyno. A Miata that dynos 240whp on a dynojet 248c only does ~230whp on the DTS.

 

gq-626 I can see what's confusing you on this issue. A dead stock 350 Z tested on a DTS dyno (load based dyno) produces approx 225 to 230 rear wheel horsepower.

In other words a stock Z fitted with an APS TT system will achieve a genuine power gain of approx 130 to 135 Horsepower over stock power on 91 octane west coast fuel

Peter

APS

 

Did you dyno with the Preloaded APS map before they started making "adjustments"? Just wondering because we had over 380whp and 350tq with the stock 91 map on a load based mustang dyno in the wrong gear.. And the base map is VERY conservative... Just curious what your base run was...
Jason

 

My head is spinning...

Must see Dynojet.....LOL

 

Hey Shariff!

You're right about my car doing surprisingly well at Strictly Dyno as I did not have exhaust or cats at the time. As you most likely read, from Jeff that I added these after that Dyno Day.

I have mentioned that on various posts across the board, however they are a part of those threads, and I believe that is mentioned here as well.

I only had 241 not 247/250 as you mentioned here. The odds are the DynoJet over reported and the DTS under reported. I also baselined at 261 not 267 post cats/exhaust pre Turbo.

This is why I want to get back to that dyno so there can be more reasonable comparisson.

My DYNO is still here somewhere I will go look for it and bring it into this thread.

Joe

 

This is not what we experienced with the "base map" that was in the kit I have.

They did do a couple runs with it stock, out of the box and found it had 10 lbs of boost, which is WAY too much for anything not built and driven hard.

Yes I am on 91, and running on 7lbs boost and getting more power than was registered pre clutch failure with 10lbs. This is what brainstorm advised me of, I do NOT know allof the conditions at that time.

When they were doing this is when they discovered I had a clutch problem (which I still need to review myself) and so everything got off track at that point.

I will see if they kept those initial runs and I will get my hands on them.

What did you dyno on?

Obviously I need to expedite my trip to Strictly Dyno.

 

AS you can see here I had 240 and 228 TRQ. I did have the JWT lightened flywheel at this point with the nismo clutch, and although the HP acceleration curve is NOT reported, I wonder if that had anything to do with my stron numbers in comparssion to other NA Z's with exhaust mods. I also had the K&N typhoon at that time, although most will say that type of CAI had no affect on that kind of dyno due to conditions and no air being forced into it.


I went to brainstorm, after my cats/exhaust install and had
261/222 pre turbo.

I now have 360/328 post turbo.

I am going to the DynoJet @ Strictly Dyno, anyone got an connects/hook ups there? I'd appreciate any and all help with that as my piggy bank has taken a severe hit.

Thanks!

 

There are a few dyno days being organized at the SoCal forum, which should make it cheaper than going alone:

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=98384

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=97723

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=97806