Yup. Thanks a lot ... that totally clears it up.

 

Impressed. Can't wait.

(Ok, fine, just marking the thread so I can search it.)

 

We should see NA numbers in about 10 days, and no they most likely wont be as exciting, but only because power is so much harder to make with this engine in NA form.

We are still expecting very impressive NA numbers, and this is based on past dyno testing, along with some improvements we made to the design since the last NA testing we did on it.

Making a complete manifold that bolts to the heads would be great, but would also up the cost considerably, we think we are releasing a great product, at a great price point.

Expect initial sale pricing to be in the low $700, with normal pricing coming back up to $800.

 

sexy. thank you cant wait to see the numbers.

 

This will be a long and agonizing 10 days

 

I would expect to see N/A cars lose gobs of torque with this NEW INTAKE, and in addition many of those same cars probably spend about zero time between 6.5k and 7k RPMs.

The NEW INTAKE looks awesome for FI though!

Oh, and can you guys please come up with a better name than NEW INTAKE?

 

our current NA numbers have it losing ZERO peak torque, we are only trying to massage the powerband before releasing NA numbers.

We have already achieved decent gains in NA. Also realize that true, you wont spend a lot of time in 6500-7000, however the Z makes its peak power between 6000 and 6400. So in factory form, you dont get a lot of useable room of peak hp before hitting the rev limit.

Our manifold has been pulling hard past 6000 rpm, and keeps climbing while the factory manifold really drops off after 6400. This is all in NA. So we are trying to shift the power curve down slightly, and we are definately going to look at numbers with an increased rev limiter. The rev limit increase will by no means be a requirement, but we want to see the entire power curve to give us and everyone else as much info as possible regarding its potential.

 

subscribing!

 

the "Crawford Killer"

 

Dont even go there.

This is a completely new and different product.

There is room in this industry for MANY companies and products

 

sweetsauce

 

Looks very impressive in FI form. Subscribing

 

those of us who like to drag race every now and then would appreciate the higher power output since most of us know that the car runs "flat" in the upper rpms and knowing that drag racing or even auto-crossing, we rely on the upper/high end power. I mean as long as we dont loost torque in the lowe powerband im a happy camper. However tweeking this product can make it better.

 

I have a question/observation that no one seems to have pointed out fully. Yes, there are large HP gains, but where? This thing start showing improvement at 6100RPMS. What good is that?

I also question the validity of the gains all together. If you look at the before dyno, the car starts to run out of steam and the power drops off before redline. I think this is a tuning issue. I've seen many FI dynos where the curve continues climbing up right to 7000. I would hazard to guess that if this car was better tuned at the higher rpms, it would have much of the same gains as the "after" dyno, without changing the manifold.

Just my $.02

 

Looks very promising. I'm surprised torque isn't up.

 

you aren't gonna tune an additional 50 hp at the top.

 

My understanding (let me know if I am incorrect)
When dealing with forced induction, as demonstrated in the case of SungNam's Z, we are looking at the AMOUNT of air that can be crammed into the cylinder/effeciently mixed with fuel...igniting and creating a forceful downward thruust of the piston...
if this plenum allows greater air flow..what would the difference be in running the vortec with a different sized pulley and increasing the amount of air being crammed into the stock plenum...thus still netting a similar amount of MORE air in the combustion chamber...
this leads me to wonder...if this plenum allows greater air to flow (let's say 12psi equiv)with the same vortec pulley that would only make 8psi (understand these are fictional numbers for the purpose of illustrating my point in question)...wouldn't this still cause an increase in cylinder pressure and lead to the danger of blowing the stock engine...

I would assume that while comparing the stock plenum versus the kinetix plenum- using a supercharger (or any F/I for that matter), the air/fuel ratio would be leaner w/ the kinetix, if you did not tune for this plenum...(unless the maf compensates for this)

So, my point is...is this plenum thingy just a means to allow more air to enter the combustion chamber??? if NA gains are huge...great (possibly dangerous on the stock internals? how does the stock ECU respond?)...But I assume the F/I gains will be the equivelant of just adding another pound or 2 of boost with the stock plenum

LET ME KNOW WHAT U THINK OF MY RAMBLING???

 

Will this make more power for us NA guys than the current Kinetix plenum?

 

Thread split.

 

I meant that I expect it to lose low end torque for N/A