New ARC True Dual Ti. Exhaust Pics!
Originally Posted by cubu
i thought the amuse was full titanium...
Originally Posted by Andy@Performance
The muffler is full titanium but the mid pipe as well as the optional y-pipe is stainless.
Originally Posted by Volk350Z
Nope.. I had one before.. piping is Stainless Steel and the muffler is not full titanium either..
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
First off yes I have seen ARC finish products and am well aware of what they do. Secondly if the OP had posted this was a proto I never would have asked the question. Third given my point that no one except you knew it was a prototype I am perfectly correct in questioning that. Considering the recent quality issues on HKS exhaust systems (see the H pipe thread if you don't follow that) every consumer should know full well what they are getting before they part with their money. $6000+ for an exhaust is STEEP even for ARC. If they didn't want educated consumer to question them then they shouldn't release prototype photos to their vendors for public release. And as an FYI I could pick up two of those exhausts today but that money is ear marked for the track car i'm building...
FYI this is the only True Dual Full Titanium Exhaust on the market for the Z
Originally Posted by Volk350Z
Well I personally haven't heard of any ARC welding problem so when you were talking $Hit about their weld then of course I will reply back. The only reason why arc made this exhaust is Shadow Motorsports ask them to, not really intended for anyone to really buy it. Just to show people they can make it if you really want one.
FYI this is the only True Dual Full Titanium Exhaust on the market for the Z
FYI this is the only True Dual Full Titanium Exhaust on the market for the Z
I dont think he was talking sheit! He was pointing out that, knowone but you, knew that this was a prototype. This should have been noted in the beginning, so there wouldnt have been any assumptions or confusions.
Originally Posted by Volk350Z
Well I personally haven't heard of any ARC welding problem so when you were talking $Hit about their weld then of course I will reply back. The only reason why arc made this exhaust is Shadow Motorsports ask them to, not really intended for anyone to really buy it. Just to show people they can make it if you really want one.
FYI this is the only True Dual Full Titanium Exhaust on the market for the Z
FYI this is the only True Dual Full Titanium Exhaust on the market for the Z
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
they didn't even weld the entire seam. Sure it may not need to be but for $6000+ they better weld the entire portion inside and out...
Last edited by MIAPLAYA; Apr 5, 2007 at 07:28 PM.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Maybe you should go back and read my post again. Did I say their welds were crap? Nope I didn't. What did I say?
That in NO way implies their welds were not good. What that does state is that for $6000 I would hope they would weld the entire seem inside and out. I'm sure in the production version they might. But since neither you or anyone else mentioned it was a prototype prior to my post the only logical assumption I and every other educated consumer here could draw was that this was the production system. I'll repeat again, for a production unit in which I'm spending $6,000 I would want the seams welded inside and out not just tack welded. Is that too much to ask for at a $6,000 price tag?
That in NO way implies their welds were not good. What that does state is that for $6000 I would hope they would weld the entire seem inside and out. I'm sure in the production version they might. But since neither you or anyone else mentioned it was a prototype prior to my post the only logical assumption I and every other educated consumer here could draw was that this was the production system. I'll repeat again, for a production unit in which I'm spending $6,000 I would want the seams welded inside and out not just tack welded. Is that too much to ask for at a $6,000 price tag?
Agreed x10
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Maybe you should go back and read my post again. Did I say their welds were crap? Nope I didn't. What did I say?
That in NO way implies their welds were not good. What that does state is that for $6000 I would hope they would weld the entire seem inside and out. I'm sure in the production version they might. But since neither you or anyone else mentioned it was a prototype prior to my post the only logical assumption I and every other educated consumer here could draw was that this was the production system. I'll repeat again, for a production unit in which I'm spending $6,000 I would want the seams welded inside and out not just tack welded. Is that too much to ask for at a $6,000 price tag?
That in NO way implies their welds were not good. What that does state is that for $6000 I would hope they would weld the entire seem inside and out. I'm sure in the production version they might. But since neither you or anyone else mentioned it was a prototype prior to my post the only logical assumption I and every other educated consumer here could draw was that this was the production system. I'll repeat again, for a production unit in which I'm spending $6,000 I would want the seams welded inside and out not just tack welded. Is that too much to ask for at a $6,000 price tag?
well if you said that you know and see arc welding before then why would you even state "for $6000 I would hope they would weld the entire seem inside and out.".. pretty much any one that Know ARC parts know that all ARC weld is perfect and never half A$$..
Well I'll ask Andy to add on a note of his post that the pix is a prototype....
Last edited by Volk350Z; Apr 5, 2007 at 09:27 PM.
Originally Posted by turismo
I dont think he was talking sheit! He was pointing out that, knowone but you, knew that this was a prototype. This should have been noted in the beginning, so there wouldnt have been any assumptions or confusions.
Originally Posted by Volk350Z
lol.. you can't seams welded the inside of any EXHAUST.. if you weld the inside of any piping it will effect the flow...
well if you said that you know and see arc welding before then why would you even state "for $6000 I would hope they would weld the entire seem inside and out.".. pretty much any one that Know ARC parts know that all ARC weld is perfect and never half A$$..
Well I'll ask Andy to add on a note of his post that the pix is a prototype....
well if you said that you know and see arc welding before then why would you even state "for $6000 I would hope they would weld the entire seem inside and out.".. pretty much any one that Know ARC parts know that all ARC weld is perfect and never half A$$..
Well I'll ask Andy to add on a note of his post that the pix is a prototype....
Last edited by MIAPLAYA; Apr 5, 2007 at 10:04 PM.
Originally Posted by Volk350Z
if you don't know wouldn't you just ask??? or do you just assumpptions??
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
I don't have to ask. The picture was posted as if it was a generally released product. No mention was made to the contrary until you went on the offensive. Considering the recent drop in quality of other companies that traditionally showed nothing but the best in their products the consumer should question everything. Anyone paying or considering paying $6000 for any car part has the right to assume or question anything they want about the company they are going to spend money with. Especially if there is some questionable items in the only released pictures available. Stop pertending everyone is attacking ARC. They aren't infallible either.
Damn, My full titanium from veilside was just around $950. I'll sheck to see what is up at ARC in Japan. That has to be one of the lightest systems for the Z though. As for the welding I know most great welders weld the inside of the flange to keep any serious flow issues with the exhaust gases. Not the inside of the piping. On Titanium a double welded seam would create a brittle zone prone to possible cracks when cooling. My exhuast goes from 900C to 30c in just under 2 minutes. Its awsome when changing fluids. Put the car on the lift and use the bathroom, and bam nice and cool.





