Jason,

Thanks. I knew you'd come through in the clutch. I'm working out the final details on that dyno session and after I talk to my mechanic today I'll give you a call.


Javi -

Where'd you find that law about emissions? Does that imply that if I get my car emissions tested after cat removal, and it passes, then I am able to drive legally with the cats removed? Get back to me on that.

-Dan

 

You have to be careful about that, because each state has its own constitution and therefore its own state laws. The law I cited is from the federal jurisdiction and it states that you can modify your car if and only if your car doesn't pollute no matter what type of gasoline you use!!!. BUT you would have to look in your state if you can be cited for the only reason of not having them on...
For EXAMPLE, in PR we have to do the emissions test EVERY YEAR no matter how new or old the car is, BUT if your car has no cats AND passes the emissions test, you are free and clear because there are no visual inspections and the car does not pollute.
My brother's 1997 Z28 had no cat's and passed without a problem...BUT each car is different...and each state is different...

 

ME!

Today!

 

Practicing or not? Night school degree? Attorneys are over-produced in this country and your possession of such a degree doesn't mean you are a good one. Since I am a Native American and a Social Scientist, racism is not something I have ever practiced, nor will I ever do so. No need for you to play the racist card here, its not relevant and your not being discriminated against here by me or anyone else. Your citation of the law is both B.S. and not arguable in a court of law. You remove a device for Off Road and do not replace it after its off road use is complete puts you in violation and you know it. If it is tested and found to be a polluting item, you are in violation of the intent of the law. Any judge can determine if intent was present, and you, being a lawyer, would be hard pressed to prove otherwise since you are an Officer of the Court. You are as dead to me, don't post me again, I will report you to a Moderator, I have already said I would post here no more. I have no obligation to answer you

BTW, I have 4 nieces and nephews with the last name Quintana living in New Mexico, comprende? You also implied since you were an attorney... An implied threat is against the rules of this site and I am reporting yours to the administration of the site.

Boomer

 

Boomer, you are being a total douche. You are reading his posts word for word. You are insulting him and taking cheap shots at him, insinuating that he got a cheap law degree, etc. He only became unreasonable when you did, he and his brother contribute a LOT to this site! They are very friendly guys and that having been said you are treating them undeservingly. Your opinion is very valid and I respect it, but you are going by the letter of the law, not the word, which is what counts.

Stop being a dick, man!!! You voiced your opinion, no need to drag it out.

 

Me too!!! Today as well!!!

Also waiting for someone to post that picture of the special olympics kid running across the finish line

 

Wow let's all chill.

I thought I was bad but I know how you feel when attacked trust me (everyone knows) I get defensive too. Sometimes debates are percieved as attacked when you are on the defense. I have been there.

I am 1/4 Cherokee and proud of it and even have the tribal band theme on my bicep tat

So lets move past race and address some issues about California..

The CARB that meets here in Sacramento is more Beracrausy than protecting the environment. They get picketed all the time and for good reason, like making MTBE a standard finding out it cost too much causes cancer and then taking it out.

We are talking about a state who is 3 weeks past the legal deadline to have a State budget for the 4th year in a row!
The only thing they can decide on is where to eat lunch!

If it was left up to the CARB (and I was a body guard for one of the Board Members, a dignatary) we would all be wiping our butts with spotted owls because they can't see the forest through the trees.

The number one threat to our ozone is fireplaces statiscly (nationwide) and 60% or more of the cost of gas is taxes and the CARB wants to add more taxes? No one is addressing the very real threat to the Ozone, factories, busses, trains etc.

If someone is using race as an issue I would back you all the way to the Admin but I think you may be over reacting on that (and I have done the same thing.) The best point you made was "Intent."

Intent is part of what is considered the Body of the crime. If you have intent then you have a crime. In this case it would be the Vehicle Code not the Penal Code but for businsses it would be the Business Code.

It's a real gray area and Intent is hard to prove.

Removing the cats permently and leaving them removed for a long enough time that a referee could see they hav't been touched in months (removed after racing at the track) would be enough intent for a fine/cite if this was your daily driver.

It's a tough call.

Most states will ship you Off Road Parts (Thunder Racing, Summit Racin etc) with a disclaimer that it is for off road use only. I think with this diclaimer they as a vendor are withing the guidelines of the current law both state and federal.

It's what you do with the part after you get it that brings in Intent.

Peace!

 

How about staring at a very young Tracy Lords and singing Kum Bi Ya instead?

 

When did this thread go from being about cat pipes to racism to bragging about careers to a Traci Lords picture?

Mmmm....Traci Lords....

 

Im very interested in HiFlos. Will someone enterprising kindly produce and market them asap. And be a chap and dont overcharge us.

I disagree with a NoCats system, that are proven to pollute.

Boomer I admire your convictions but you couldve gotten your point accross with less drama.

 

I'm beginning to think there might be enough interest to do it. We'll see in the next few days.
Also, are you aware of the new 350Z club of Florida? You can join the mailing list and club here:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/350Zclubofflorida/

 

Thanks!!!

 

OK, OK I was overrought and and shitty. I have extremely strong convictions and the day was not going well, so I apologize for insulting people. However, do not assume I'm warming toward eliminating smog controls, I will never be an advocate or even tolerant violating the law, I have about 17 godchildren who will live long after I'm gone and my reasons are concerns for them.

 

Web and Luther,

Thank you for the information on the cat bypass pipes.

I really would like to see the law be about whether or not you are polluting and not about if you have changed anything. But alas, not yet.

Nick,

There has been talk here before about Hi Flow cats. The biggest concern in the past has been about the extremely high cost for the most effective (read: least restrictive) designs and materials.

What are your thoughts on the cost feasibility of a good set of Hi Flow cats?

Thanks,

JD

 

I wasn't bragging about my career I was qualifying my statement because I was Director Of Security for the entire state building they meet in way back in 1992 11 years ago I had 20 people under me but I would never brag!
Even though I got persoannly spit on by Kathleen O Connel for not opening a door for her! My claim to faim!

True statement and don't ever tell me that I am a homo because I post a pic of a babe now you have me pissed and the other guy cooled down. Why bring all this obtuse info into a catpipe thread
9projection now)

Did you just come here to cause trouble? Did you order the cat pipes. Is the term cat pipes patented? Do you own a cat? What do you feed him or her. Did you cut off his ***** (that's mean I would never do that.)

STOP IT Before I tell my boss! He looks pissed!



This has been sarcasm if you feel ofrended please unplug your PC for awhile, and before you do take another look at Traci !

 

First of all let's all get on the same page as to the term "cats"
There are actually 4 in the exhaust line.

2 of them go into the engine bay, 2 more are in the Y- Pipe and then you have the resonator. The ones in the engine bay are easy, the ones in the Y-Pipe could be anything the sensor fits but clearance is an issue because I tried to squeeze a pair of RT's in there and didn't have room.

I heard that you can safely remove 2 from 2 different people w/o a check engine ligt (and of course the resonator.)

The 2 people said 2 different sets so which 2 can actually be removed w/o a CES light?

 

Our cats for the RX-7 have to stand up to torturous heat and richer fuel ratios with the turbo rotary engines. We would probably continue to use these all stainless units (mild steel flanges) in a smaller diameter. It will take some time to figure out conclusively, but I would estimate the cost at around $600 for a set. Again, these flow extremely well (able to push well over 400 rear wheel hp from turbo RX-7 cars in 3" diameter), so I have no concern over their ability. They have also proven to pass emissions easily on non ported engines, and well tuned ported rotaries, so they work pretty well as a catalyst as well.
Again, I would like to see what the demand is before committing to another project, as we have several ongoing at the moment.

 

For 600 I am out.

Car Sounds are 65 bucks each.

To the original cat pipe dude.

Does your cat pipes replace all 4 cats as mentione above or just the 2 in the bat?

Does anyone have a pic of these dag things installed with the car on the lift?

Stock

http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ID-524480.html

Aftermarket

http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ID-537081.html

What you can't see is the cats that actually curl up into the engine bay (at least that's what my tech said.

So it looks as if this mod would lead down to a Y-Pipeand you would catrback from there?

 

One warning: keep this thread on topic or it will be closed. Both sides of the fence have voiced their opinions about the legality and ethicality of removing the cats (along with a bunch of ridiculous personal attacks and veiled legal threats), so let it go. The next post which continues this crap will be deleted and the thread will be closed. Have a nice day.

 

That thing in the Y pipe is NOT a cat and offers no restriction. It is there to allow some movement and reduce vibrations in the cabin from the exhaust. Some of the nicer aftermarket systems come with that too. There is only one set of cats and they are up by the manifolds/headers.