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Old 03-26-2014, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sick an Twsd
I say switch to Motordyne ART and if you upgrade cams i'm very interested in seeing what set up you decide to go with as i've been debating for a few months now if i wanna go that route, as far as a 75-100 shot, DO IT! I'm calling no ***** now
If i were to stay with a shorty/test pipe combo, i'd stick with the berks. they have yet to fail me. plus ive seen several fitment issues with the art pipes. not knocking them though, i know the guys at motordyne know their ****
Old 03-26-2014, 08:18 PM
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My vote goes for ppe or obx lth, then the motor dyne xyz y pipe. With a electronic exhaust cut out for some extra bwahhhh.

Then the gtr manifold, 3.7l, and 272 cams, and some e85. Don't sell yourself short.
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Where you get a gtr manifold from? Haven't seen any info on it. And why 272s? And e85? Kinda confused
Old 03-27-2014, 05:04 AM
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^^^ http://www.gtmotorsports.com/product...roductid=16935

Pretty sure it also fits a VQ35HR (don't quote me on that though)
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Originally Posted by 2004Black350z
Where you get a gtr manifold from? Haven't seen any info on it. And why 272s? And e85? Kinda confused
Lol that's him talking not me
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Yea 2k plus fab cost and no proven gains. No thanks.
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I'm interested to see what happens, I'm waiting on the outcome to decide on my intake choice.
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Originally Posted by 2004Black350z
Where you get a gtr manifold from? Haven't seen any info on it. And why 272s? And e85? Kinda confused
Just spouting off things. Thats all. No seriousness meant in the bottom half. But e85 for the octane rating, 272 with 11mm lift since he's na, and has a decent rev limit. Then the 3.7l to balance out the cam. And the gtr manifold is just for pretties. Unless the hr cam profiles are night and day different from a de, I'd assume the tomei 272 11mm lift would scream with the hr.

But all the bottom stuff is mucho expensive. And probably not worth it to most people.

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Old 03-27-2014, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by npr350z
2.36" to 3" folks! Step up and place a bet! Who knows how the mysterious hr will react?!
Will the hr love it?
Is three inches too much?
One man aims to find out!
Place your bets before the big day! Results Saturday ! Saturday ! Saturday!
Lmao thats funny. I say anywhere from 5-10 whp. I wonder why your car gets lower numbers with gears. That is strange.
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Not sure. Here is a quote from hot-rod.com I found


Will different final drive ratios affect the dyno readings?

Upgrades are available for many dynos that enable testing AWD vehicles like the Syclone an
This one's tricky. First, there are potential discrepancies because different gears have different inertia values, generate more friction, and change the amount of tire slip. Higher numerical gears tend to be more inefficient, so as gear ratios increase numerically, power levels tend to slightly drop, particularly on an inertia dyno. When torque is multiplied by steeper gears, tire slippage also tends to increase.

However, there's another, often overlooked, factor in the brew: rpm and torque are inversely related to calculating horsepower, so changing the rear axle ratio or testing in other than a 1:1 transmission gear seemingly shouldn't change the horsepower numbers. But this doesn't take into consideration the fact that changing gear ratios changes the engine's rate of acceleration. For example: We know that on an engine dyno, if you change a sweep test's acceleration rate from, say, 300 rpm/second to 600 rpm/second, the flywheel power number (bhp) drops due to the faster rate of acceleration. As an engine accelerates at a higher rate, the power required to accelerate the engine increases, and a greater portion is consumed before it gets to the flywheel. Going to numerically higher gear ratios-whether in the trans (testing in a lower gear) or in the rearend-is like increasing the rate of acceleration in a sweep test. Whether this actually changes a given chassis dyno's reported results depends on how the specific dyno manufacturer does its math. For the most consistent results, always test in the same trans gear (generally 1:1) and rebaseline the vehicle after a rear-axle ratio change.
Old 03-27-2014, 09:11 AM
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Man that's so confusing. I just never heard of that before. So does this mean that we actually lose power with 4.08 gears
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Originally Posted by The_Assassin
Man that's so confusing. I just never heard of that before. So does this mean that we actually lose power with 4.08 gears
No lol. Your power is the same, just the shorter gears confuse the dyno or some ****. Idk. That's why I'm doing another baseline to get an accurate result of the gains
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Originally Posted by Bmurray350z
No lol. Your power is the same, just the shorter gears confuse the dyno or some ****. Idk. That's why I'm doing another baseline to get an accurate result of the gains
lol oh ok was about to sell that ****. Maybe this only happens on certain dynos. The quote mentioned inertia dynos.
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It's because some dynos wanna read at a 1:1 gear ratio. So with a higher gear in the rear it's like going in 3rd or 6th.I can't remember exactly, some one explained it to me before. It's that the ratio they factor with is slightly off. Idk I could be spouting some crap though.
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Originally Posted by The_Assassin
lol oh ok was about to sell that ****. Maybe this only happens on certain dynos. The quote mentioned inertia dynos.
Yeah. Idk. For reference, on CINs mustang dyno, I hit 292/264 consistently with 3.5 diff. Put 4.08s in and was hitting 284/259 consistently. He said my car isn't the only one that has dropped numbers when switching to a shorter gear. Not sure why, but it happens.

I was actually trying to find a cheap open diff with the 3.5 in it just to throw in for the testing. But it's not that big of a deal. If my baseline is 290 with the stillens and I hit 300 with the 3" intakes, then I'm going to assume 313whp with a stock final drive.
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Originally Posted by Bmurray350z
No lol. Your power is the same, just the shorter gears confuse the dyno or some ****. Idk. That's why I'm doing another baseline to get an accurate result of the gains
So, I hit 298 whp with 275/35/18's in the rear. since those also raise my gear ratio since the smaller profile than stock, does that mean I would have dyno'd higher with the stock tire size as well?

And I am interested in the results of this! If you see considerable results I might consider swapping my injen long tubes out to do the same thing.
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I gain 30whp by switching from heavy 18s to my race 15s on the dyno.
Old 03-27-2014, 02:29 PM
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It's the 1:1 issue that confuses the dyno... With a different final drive gear in your rear, you'll never truly have 1:1 output of rpm for the dyno to read correctly. It's not the end of the world, you just have to assume with shorter or longer gears that you're putting out somewhat more than what the dyno says.
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