Tire FEATHERING: FYI
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From: Big Canoe, Georgia
Originally posted by scorpion
Anyone on this site familar with the new RE040 design? On zcar.com there is a photo posted that shows the new design. The outer tread blocks have been modified to eliminate the edge that feathers. Has anyone here had their tires replaced with the new design? How many miles?
Anyone on this site familar with the new RE040 design? On zcar.com there is a photo posted that shows the new design. The outer tread blocks have been modified to eliminate the edge that feathers. Has anyone here had their tires replaced with the new design? How many miles?
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From: NEW JERSEY
Originally posted by robf
I took my car (VIN xxxxx410) into the dealer with New TSB in hand. They told me that even though they new I had the problem they would have to have a tech run the tests to document the problem before they could authorize/order the tires. I said ok, I'll dropit if off tomorrow.
They called me back today to tell me that they talked to their Service Manager and he said that it (the TSB) was not effective yet. there would be a recall next month with Nissan sending me a letter (I think the one attached today that would be he said he thought it would be May 14th. I said, ok, schedule me for May 14th. So I am scheduled, but who knows.
Just wanted to add my 2-cents. Anyone have a different story?
I took my car (VIN xxxxx410) into the dealer with New TSB in hand. They told me that even though they new I had the problem they would have to have a tech run the tests to document the problem before they could authorize/order the tires. I said ok, I'll dropit if off tomorrow.
They called me back today to tell me that they talked to their Service Manager and he said that it (the TSB) was not effective yet. there would be a recall next month with Nissan sending me a letter (I think the one attached today that would be he said he thought it would be May 14th. I said, ok, schedule me for May 14th. So I am scheduled, but who knows.
Just wanted to add my 2-cents. Anyone have a different story?
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Hello everyone, I haven't been on in a few weeks and just caught up with the latest posts on this thread.
Has anyone posted a survey on this topic that asks specifically
which models of ours are effected by this problem?
I own a Perf model and suddenly noticed a few pages back that someone with an Enthus. model has the same issue/problem.
To date my replacement tires and correcting alignment are holding up with no feathering so far. Just aligned again last week [after the October alignment it drifted a bit to the right on a level roadway; it was a bit off spec]and still OK after about 5000 miles on the new tires.
Has anyone posted a survey on this topic that asks specifically
which models of ours are effected by this problem?
I own a Perf model and suddenly noticed a few pages back that someone with an Enthus. model has the same issue/problem.
To date my replacement tires and correcting alignment are holding up with no feathering so far. Just aligned again last week [after the October alignment it drifted a bit to the right on a level roadway; it was a bit off spec]and still OK after about 5000 miles on the new tires.
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From: Oak Hill VA
RE: kidZney
I also went ahead and took my car in today. Thye said they wil provide new tires, but that they are backordered - probably due to the demand caused by the Z.
This is niot the dealer that I bought the car from (2 far away to visit regulary), but have done a good job for me so far. I really haven't had any issues except the Blose (2nd replacement is much better, but still sucks) and the tire feathering. Oh yea, I did have the problem with not being able to fill up the car - happened once). I would gladly pay a reasonable charge for a fix if there really was one. I would like to get the Nismo-S Tune if I thought it would fix the problem. Some have said it does and some have said it does not.
Thanks for th reply...
Rob
I also went ahead and took my car in today. Thye said they wil provide new tires, but that they are backordered - probably due to the demand caused by the Z.
This is niot the dealer that I bought the car from (2 far away to visit regulary), but have done a good job for me so far. I really haven't had any issues except the Blose (2nd replacement is much better, but still sucks) and the tire feathering. Oh yea, I did have the problem with not being able to fill up the car - happened once). I would gladly pay a reasonable charge for a fix if there really was one. I would like to get the Nismo-S Tune if I thought it would fix the problem. Some have said it does and some have said it does not.
Thanks for th reply...
Rob
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Picked the Z up from the dealer yesterday. The alignment appears to be correct this time. It feels much better. The "jitter" appears to be gone.
The new settings are:
_______Actual__Before__Specified__Range
LToe_____0.10___-0.01_____0.20____0.11
RToe_____0.10___0.04_____0.20____0.11
TotalToe__0.20____0.03_____0.19____0.21
The service advisor took the car over to Firsetone personally and made sure the alignment was correct. Btw, a Hunter series 211 alignment machine was used. I'm not sure if it was calibrated properly - with this, you pretty much have to take their word for it.
I have to say again. I'm very happy with feel in the steering. There is no jittering or slight loss of crisp feel of the road. The alignment appears to be correct and now it is wait and see if the tires continue to feather.
QUOTE]Originally posted by pulpz2
Yes, this is baically how it feels. However, the effect is not as pronounced as one would expect to feel on a rutted highway. It is subtle, and if someone else were to drive the car they would very likely not notice it. For example, my wife drives the car about once a week. She has not noticed it but if I were to point it out to her she would.
Btw, TSB (tire swap, etc.) alignment specs are as follows:
Left Front
_______Actual__Before__Specified__Range
Camber_-0.60___-0.60____-1.90____-0.40
Caster___8.10___8.10_____0.60____17.10
Toe_____0.03___-0.07_____0.02____0.06
SAI____________________12.20____13.70
Included Angle___________10.30___13.30
Turning Angle Diff.________-8.00____-4.00
Right Front
______Actual_ Before__Specified__ Range
Camber__-0.70_-0.80____-1.90____-0.40
Caster___8.90__8.90_____0.60____17.10
Toe_____0.04__-0.03_____0.02____0.06
SAI___________________12.20___13.70
Included Angle ________10.30____13.30
Turning Angle Diff._______-8.00____-4.00
Front
____________Actual Before Specified Range
Cross Camber 0.10 0.10 -0.80 0.80
Cross Caster -0.70 -0.70 -0.80 0.80
Total Toe 0.07 -0.10 0.03 0.12
Left Rear Toe changed from -0.20 to 0.02
Right Rear Toe changed from -0.08 to 0.04
Specified was 0.02
The dealership did not do the alignment. They sent it across the street to Firestone. I do not know if they used a Hunter Series 611 machine. I will call today and findout. [/QUOTE]
The new settings are:
_______Actual__Before__Specified__Range
LToe_____0.10___-0.01_____0.20____0.11
RToe_____0.10___0.04_____0.20____0.11
TotalToe__0.20____0.03_____0.19____0.21
The service advisor took the car over to Firsetone personally and made sure the alignment was correct. Btw, a Hunter series 211 alignment machine was used. I'm not sure if it was calibrated properly - with this, you pretty much have to take their word for it.
I have to say again. I'm very happy with feel in the steering. There is no jittering or slight loss of crisp feel of the road. The alignment appears to be correct and now it is wait and see if the tires continue to feather.
QUOTE]Originally posted by pulpz2
Yes, this is baically how it feels. However, the effect is not as pronounced as one would expect to feel on a rutted highway. It is subtle, and if someone else were to drive the car they would very likely not notice it. For example, my wife drives the car about once a week. She has not noticed it but if I were to point it out to her she would.
Btw, TSB (tire swap, etc.) alignment specs are as follows:
Left Front
_______Actual__Before__Specified__Range
Camber_-0.60___-0.60____-1.90____-0.40
Caster___8.10___8.10_____0.60____17.10
Toe_____0.03___-0.07_____0.02____0.06
SAI____________________12.20____13.70
Included Angle___________10.30___13.30
Turning Angle Diff.________-8.00____-4.00
Right Front
______Actual_ Before__Specified__ Range
Camber__-0.70_-0.80____-1.90____-0.40
Caster___8.90__8.90_____0.60____17.10
Toe_____0.04__-0.03_____0.02____0.06
SAI___________________12.20___13.70
Included Angle ________10.30____13.30
Turning Angle Diff._______-8.00____-4.00
Front
____________Actual Before Specified Range
Cross Camber 0.10 0.10 -0.80 0.80
Cross Caster -0.70 -0.70 -0.80 0.80
Total Toe 0.07 -0.10 0.03 0.12
Left Rear Toe changed from -0.20 to 0.02
Right Rear Toe changed from -0.08 to 0.04
Specified was 0.02
The dealership did not do the alignment. They sent it across the street to Firestone. I do not know if they used a Hunter Series 611 machine. I will call today and findout. [/QUOTE]
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From: Bedford, TX
[QUOTE]Originally posted by robf
[B]RE: kidZney
I really haven't had any issues except the Blose (2nd replacement is much better, but still sucks) and the tire feathering. Oh yea, I did have the problem with not being able to fill up the car - happened once).
Thanks for th reply...
Rob, what was your problem with the Bose? I've seen others talk of this here, but other than the sound being a little muddy (is that it?) it's good enough until I can get my Alpine in there. Is it the head unit or the amp that's the problem? I also had the thing happen where I couldn't fill up the gas tank. Went to about 3/4 full, then wouldn't take a drop more. Hasn't happened again, tho.
[B]RE: kidZney
I really haven't had any issues except the Blose (2nd replacement is much better, but still sucks) and the tire feathering. Oh yea, I did have the problem with not being able to fill up the car - happened once).
Thanks for th reply...
Rob, what was your problem with the Bose? I've seen others talk of this here, but other than the sound being a little muddy (is that it?) it's good enough until I can get my Alpine in there. Is it the head unit or the amp that's the problem? I also had the thing happen where I couldn't fill up the gas tank. Went to about 3/4 full, then wouldn't take a drop more. Hasn't happened again, tho.
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From: Hesperia, CA
Originally posted by HulkSmash
Oh yea, I did have the problem with not being able to fill up the car - happened once).
Thanks for th reply...
Oh yea, I did have the problem with not being able to fill up the car - happened once).
Thanks for th reply...
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From: Apex, NC
Originally posted by msims
[B]
I thought it was just me until I read this. I cannot fill up the gas tank for the life of me. It stops at about 90%. Anyone know of a thread on this problem?
[B]
I thought it was just me until I read this. I cannot fill up the gas tank for the life of me. It stops at about 90%. Anyone know of a thread on this problem?
I think that I will start a new thread on this to get feedback.
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Went to my local dealership to resolve my 'pull right' issue (ntb 03046). I had the tech test drive with me, and he immediately noticed the tire roar I had. (He didn't even know about the other TSB referenced above, and assumed the pull right was due to irregular tire wear.)
Where I'm going with this: They've acknowledged that I have the feathering issues, but my tires are not in horrible shape (yet.) I've opted to have this documented in the dealership system, have the new suspension compression rod installed per 03046, and run the tires out or until the noise gets too bad.
I'm at 8700 mi, and I saw the new TSB sheet taped at the dealership. Thought some of you might be interested. Handwritten on the sheet:
0-12K - OK
12-15K - GRT
> 15K - Call CA
Asked my friendly Nissan service clerk about what it meant. According to him, all feathering issues (regardless of milege) are being handled with the new tires. However, I'm guessing that they are reserving the right at a later point to constrict their support.
Supposedly, GRT meant that Nissan might do it out of the goodness of their heart. Call CA meant you would have to deal with Nissan North America.
Anyone have thoughts on how they can drop coverage based on milege? (given that their extending the warrantee by 24 mos?)
Also, how does Nissan plan on dealing with everyone after the second round of tires being destroyed? (Is this a one time offering?) If a car has 100K lifetime, we're supposed to go through this 9 times?
Where I'm going with this: They've acknowledged that I have the feathering issues, but my tires are not in horrible shape (yet.) I've opted to have this documented in the dealership system, have the new suspension compression rod installed per 03046, and run the tires out or until the noise gets too bad.
I'm at 8700 mi, and I saw the new TSB sheet taped at the dealership. Thought some of you might be interested. Handwritten on the sheet:
0-12K - OK
12-15K - GRT
> 15K - Call CA
Asked my friendly Nissan service clerk about what it meant. According to him, all feathering issues (regardless of milege) are being handled with the new tires. However, I'm guessing that they are reserving the right at a later point to constrict their support.
Supposedly, GRT meant that Nissan might do it out of the goodness of their heart. Call CA meant you would have to deal with Nissan North America.
Anyone have thoughts on how they can drop coverage based on milege? (given that their extending the warrantee by 24 mos?)
Also, how does Nissan plan on dealing with everyone after the second round of tires being destroyed? (Is this a one time offering?) If a car has 100K lifetime, we're supposed to go through this 9 times?
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From: Oak Hill VA
Re: HulkSmash
The orginal issue was overboosted base onn the "premium" (Nissan's term) system and problems with the volume going crazy because of the audiopilot. It was impossible to listen to the radio and CDs weren't much better. They replaced the head unit (I think) 1st and it got rid on the overboosted base, but there was no definition at all to the mid-range and resetting the base/treble had no effect). I think they replaced the amp(?) this last time, and while the base is not great the mid-range is much better and you can even listen to the radio. CDs are much better.
Do a search on Bose and I am sure you will find much more information.
Rob
The orginal issue was overboosted base onn the "premium" (Nissan's term) system and problems with the volume going crazy because of the audiopilot. It was impossible to listen to the radio and CDs weren't much better. They replaced the head unit (I think) 1st and it got rid on the overboosted base, but there was no definition at all to the mid-range and resetting the base/treble had no effect). I think they replaced the amp(?) this last time, and while the base is not great the mid-range is much better and you can even listen to the radio. CDs are much better.
Do a search on Bose and I am sure you will find much more information.
Rob
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From: Bedford, TX
Originally posted by robf
Re: HulkSmash
The orginal issue was overboosted base onn the "premium" (Nissan's term) system and problems with the volume going crazy because of the audiopilot. It was impossible to listen to the radio and CDs weren't much better. They replaced the head unit (I think) 1st and it got rid on the overboosted base, but there was no definition at all to the mid-range and resetting the base/treble had no effect). I think they replaced the amp(?) this last time, and while the base is not great the mid-range is much better and you can even listen to the radio. CDs are much better.
Do a search on Bose and I am sure you will find much more information.
Rob
Re: HulkSmash
The orginal issue was overboosted base onn the "premium" (Nissan's term) system and problems with the volume going crazy because of the audiopilot. It was impossible to listen to the radio and CDs weren't much better. They replaced the head unit (I think) 1st and it got rid on the overboosted base, but there was no definition at all to the mid-range and resetting the base/treble had no effect). I think they replaced the amp(?) this last time, and while the base is not great the mid-range is much better and you can even listen to the radio. CDs are much better.
Do a search on Bose and I am sure you will find much more information.
Rob
Originally posted by aznkukuboi
is the tsb fixing any of the 03 z's?
hope it fixes it
is the tsb fixing any of the 03 z's?
hope it fixes it
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As I said a few days ago. The TSB done in October has worked so far, and its been about 5000 miles over the past 6 months.
I also have a very good relationship [I think so anyway] with my dealer, so I'm of the opinion that they'll take notice of my complaints/warranty work and really make sure my Z is fixed properly before they release it back to me.
ChinaClipper's correct, there's no way to know until the mileage is put on the car.
I should dig out my alignment sheet from last week and post that up for everyone else's interest as well.
I also have a very good relationship [I think so anyway] with my dealer, so I'm of the opinion that they'll take notice of my complaints/warranty work and really make sure my Z is fixed properly before they release it back to me.
ChinaClipper's correct, there's no way to know until the mileage is put on the car.
I should dig out my alignment sheet from last week and post that up for everyone else's interest as well.
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From: Jacksonville, Florida
Case closed
I won my BBB hearing vs. Nissan. The off-set usage was higher than I wanted, but at this point I really don't care. I expect the car will be turned in w/in the next 30 days since I've been driving on Nissan milage since 4/16.
PM me if you want further info. I'm not sure what I can share based on the settlement agreement, but as long as you have your documents together and bury the NNA rep - you should be good to go.
Nissan produced ZERO documents to support their case in terms of my car and the related problem. Not sure if this is the case across the board - but it is good to know.
Good luck guys!!!
Now the hard part for me is deciding what car to buy now. I'm down to two:
2004 Acura TSX
2004 Subaru WRX
Bang for the buck - the TSX is far better in features. Any suggestions?
PM me if you want further info. I'm not sure what I can share based on the settlement agreement, but as long as you have your documents together and bury the NNA rep - you should be good to go.
Nissan produced ZERO documents to support their case in terms of my car and the related problem. Not sure if this is the case across the board - but it is good to know.
Good luck guys!!!
Now the hard part for me is deciding what car to buy now. I'm down to two:
2004 Acura TSX
2004 Subaru WRX
Bang for the buck - the TSX is far better in features. Any suggestions?
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Re: Case closed
Originally posted by kbsig106
I won my BBB hearing vs. Nissan. The off-set usage was higher than I wanted, but at this point I really don't care. I expect the car will be turned in w/in the next 30 days since I've been driving on Nissan milage since 4/16.
PM me if you want further info. I'm not sure what I can share based on the settlement agreement, but as long as you have your documents together and bury the NNA rep - you should be good to go.
Nissan produced ZERO documents to support their case in terms of my car and the related problem. Not sure if this is the case across the board - but it is good to know.
Good luck guys!!!
Now the hard part for me is deciding what car to buy now. I'm down to two:
2004 Acura TSX
2004 Subaru WRX
Bang for the buck - the TSX is far better in features. Any suggestions?
I won my BBB hearing vs. Nissan. The off-set usage was higher than I wanted, but at this point I really don't care. I expect the car will be turned in w/in the next 30 days since I've been driving on Nissan milage since 4/16.
PM me if you want further info. I'm not sure what I can share based on the settlement agreement, but as long as you have your documents together and bury the NNA rep - you should be good to go.
Nissan produced ZERO documents to support their case in terms of my car and the related problem. Not sure if this is the case across the board - but it is good to know.
Good luck guys!!!
Now the hard part for me is deciding what car to buy now. I'm down to two:
2004 Acura TSX
2004 Subaru WRX
Bang for the buck - the TSX is far better in features. Any suggestions?
Definetly WRX sti. Keep it real man - stay away from front wheel drive. You cant tell me you won't miss the Z.
Did the off-set usage get you anything more than an outright sale of the car?