Tire FEATHERING: FYI
More observations.
First drive- November 12th and I've got 15k miles on my SS Track. Had the alignment/ no tire swap (dealer suggestion) at 11,000. The noise is getting unbearable. I got the Track because I didn't expect to race, but I wanted the best the manufacturer had. I don't want to dump a bunch more $ into "fixing" my car.
Anyway, I noticed during a close inspection that the inside (problem child) tread blocks are baby butt smooth, while the rest of the tire seems scratched up. I don't know why. I'm not going to try to guess, but someone might have a clue.
It seems to me that I can cause my Z to bounce. It's easier at higher speeds. It won't happen while accelerating or slowing down. It's almost as if you get it to balance the weight front/back. Then, catch the smallest bump, and you're off! Bobble Heads for everyone.
Help- anyone.
First drive- November 12th and I've got 15k miles on my SS Track. Had the alignment/ no tire swap (dealer suggestion) at 11,000. The noise is getting unbearable. I got the Track because I didn't expect to race, but I wanted the best the manufacturer had. I don't want to dump a bunch more $ into "fixing" my car.
Anyway, I noticed during a close inspection that the inside (problem child) tread blocks are baby butt smooth, while the rest of the tire seems scratched up. I don't know why. I'm not going to try to guess, but someone might have a clue.
It seems to me that I can cause my Z to bounce. It's easier at higher speeds. It won't happen while accelerating or slowing down. It's almost as if you get it to balance the weight front/back. Then, catch the smallest bump, and you're off! Bobble Heads for everyone.
Help- anyone.
Originally posted by XLR8
More observations.
First drive- November 12th and I've got 15k miles on my SS Track. Had the alignment/ no tire swap (dealer suggestion) at 11,000. The noise is getting unbearable. I got the Track because I didn't expect to race, but I wanted the best the manufacturer had. I don't want to dump a bunch more $ into "fixing" my car.
Anyway, I noticed during a close inspection that the inside (problem child) tread blocks are baby butt smooth, while the rest of the tire seems scratched up. I don't know why. I'm not going to try to guess, but someone might have a clue.
It seems to me that I can cause my Z to bounce. It's easier at higher speeds. It won't happen while accelerating or slowing down. It's almost as if you get it to balance the weight front/back. Then, catch the smallest bump, and you're off! Bobble Heads for everyone.
Help- anyone.
More observations.
First drive- November 12th and I've got 15k miles on my SS Track. Had the alignment/ no tire swap (dealer suggestion) at 11,000. The noise is getting unbearable. I got the Track because I didn't expect to race, but I wanted the best the manufacturer had. I don't want to dump a bunch more $ into "fixing" my car.
Anyway, I noticed during a close inspection that the inside (problem child) tread blocks are baby butt smooth, while the rest of the tire seems scratched up. I don't know why. I'm not going to try to guess, but someone might have a clue.
It seems to me that I can cause my Z to bounce. It's easier at higher speeds. It won't happen while accelerating or slowing down. It's almost as if you get it to balance the weight front/back. Then, catch the smallest bump, and you're off! Bobble Heads for everyone.
Help- anyone.
After reading through this insanely long thread, I was compelled to go check my tires. Go figure. My VIN is #45** Im not sure what it is exactly, since I'm not around my car right now, but you get the idea. Besides some noticible negative camber on my rear tires, I am not experiencing any feathering or cupping as shown and described in this thread. I have over 6,200 miles without any allignment changing on the stock tires. I drive very aggressively, and I really have no Idea why my Z isnt showing any feathering, where close # VINs are....not that I'm complaining.
I am not experiencing any feathering or cupping as shown and described in this thread. I have over 6,200 miles without any allignment changing on the stock tires. I drive very aggressively, and I really have no Idea why my Z isnt showing any feathering,
Aggessive driving "may" balance the wear on the tires so that the feathering does not show up. More of the "outside" of the tire is being used and not just the inner edge.
Toe out and excess negative camber will definitely cause feathering of the inside edges of the front tires. Driving on the hwy only with a suspension tuned for "race track" use could cause this excessive wear.
About ten years ago in Germany, there was a problem with lowered BMWs (which increases the negitive camber) that would wear out the inside edge (or, overheat the tire and have a failure) of the rear tires when driving at speed on the autobahn. Great set-up for AGGRESSIVE DRIVING on winding roads, but bad for straight "highway" driving.
IMO, highway driving, excess toe-out, and aggressive braking add to the feathering of the front tires. And track use, (aggressive cornering) correct toe-in, and "lighter" hwy braking causes less of it.
Maybe the fix is to have a "TOURING" setting for cruisers, and a "SPORT" setting for track use.
Scott
Originally posted by professor
An observation......
Aggessive driving "may" balance the wear on the tires so that the feathering does not show up. More of the "outside" of the tire is being used and not just the inner edge.
Toe out and excess negative camber will definitely cause feathering of the inside edges of the front tires. Driving on the hwy only with a suspension tuned for "race track" use could cause this excessive wear.
About ten years ago in Germany, there was a problem with lowered BMWs (which increases the negitive camber) that would wear out the inside edge (or, overheat the tire and have a failure) of the rear tires when driving at speed on the autobahn. Great set-up for AGGRESSIVE DRIVING on winding roads, but bad for straight "highway" driving.
IMO, highway driving, excess toe-out, and aggressive braking add to the feathering of the front tires. And track use, (aggressive cornering) correct toe-in, and "lighter" hwy braking causes less of it.
Maybe the fix is to have a "TOURING" setting for cruisers, and a "SPORT" setting for track use.
Scott
An observation......
Aggessive driving "may" balance the wear on the tires so that the feathering does not show up. More of the "outside" of the tire is being used and not just the inner edge.
Toe out and excess negative camber will definitely cause feathering of the inside edges of the front tires. Driving on the hwy only with a suspension tuned for "race track" use could cause this excessive wear.
About ten years ago in Germany, there was a problem with lowered BMWs (which increases the negitive camber) that would wear out the inside edge (or, overheat the tire and have a failure) of the rear tires when driving at speed on the autobahn. Great set-up for AGGRESSIVE DRIVING on winding roads, but bad for straight "highway" driving.
IMO, highway driving, excess toe-out, and aggressive braking add to the feathering of the front tires. And track use, (aggressive cornering) correct toe-in, and "lighter" hwy braking causes less of it.
Maybe the fix is to have a "TOURING" setting for cruisers, and a "SPORT" setting for track use.
Scott
So, still using your analogy, the owners who tiptoed around in Nissan's breakin period, got uneven tire wear and those who whaled the **** out of it had no problems? In a couple of cases, yes, they've posted and told us. For all the rest of us, seems a bit farfetched, but I just think most of the cars were out of alignment from the start. Those who drove the most miles got the feathering because they were out of alignment, IMO.
Oh, check out a website called, www.familycar.com, they have a very readable section on alignment that even I can fathom.
I can't wait for Nissan's fix anymore, so I decided to buy the Eibach Pro-Kit even though I DO NOT like to lower the car.. It's the cheapest route for now. I will update after a few thousand miles..
I currently have 14,000miles total, and 1000miles on the new S03, warranty by the dealer. No sign of feathering on the new tires so far...
I currently have 14,000miles total, and 1000miles on the new S03, warranty by the dealer. No sign of feathering on the new tires so far...
Originally posted by Apexi350z
I can't wait for Nissan's fix anymore, so I decided to buy the Eibach Pro-Kit even though I DO NOT like to lower the car.. It's the cheapest route for now. I will update after a few thousand miles..
I currently have 14,000miles total, and 1000miles on the new S03, warranty by the dealer. No sign of feathering on the new tires so far...
I can't wait for Nissan's fix anymore, so I decided to buy the Eibach Pro-Kit even though I DO NOT like to lower the car.. It's the cheapest route for now. I will update after a few thousand miles..
I currently have 14,000miles total, and 1000miles on the new S03, warranty by the dealer. No sign of feathering on the new tires so far...
Originally posted by FrankieZZ
Could someone give me the approximate VIN range where most feathering has occurred ? Thanks . I need this info for future litigation !
Could someone give me the approximate VIN range where most feathering has occurred ? Thanks . I need this info for future litigation !
Originally posted by Boomer
Did you have it re-aligned after you added the Eibachs?
Did you have it re-aligned after you added the Eibachs?
Lets see what happen in a few thousand miles.
Originally posted by Apexi350z
No, IT doesn't look like it needs the alignment, the front is less than 1" drop, from eye level, the tires doesn't look it has too much change (camber wise).
Lets see what happen in a few thousand miles.
No, IT doesn't look like it needs the alignment, the front is less than 1" drop, from eye level, the tires doesn't look it has too much change (camber wise).
Lets see what happen in a few thousand miles.
Originally posted by Boomer
Look for the TSB entitled, "tire noise while braking", it gives a range in it.
Look for the TSB entitled, "tire noise while braking", it gives a range in it.
What happens when the VIN is out of range? Do they still apply the TSB?
Originally posted by fuzzwart
Unfortunately, the range does not seem to be quite large enough. I think that I am seeing signs of feathering and my number is 6723. I have the parts for the grease on the windows on order, so when I bring it in for that I will have it checked out.
What happens when the VIN is out of range? Do they still apply the TSB?
Unfortunately, the range does not seem to be quite large enough. I think that I am seeing signs of feathering and my number is 6723. I have the parts for the grease on the windows on order, so when I bring it in for that I will have it checked out.
What happens when the VIN is out of range? Do they still apply the TSB?
Last edited by Boomer; May 18, 2003 at 01:51 PM.
I haven't visited this thread in awhile, but my tire feathering has reoccured after my alignment and tire swap. What do I need to do to get Nissan to replace my tires? My dealership won't do anything that's not mentioned in a TSB. They do EVERYTHING by the book.
Originally posted by Hedonist
I haven't visited this thread in awhile, but my tire feathering has reoccured after my alignment and tire swap. What do I need to do to get Nissan to replace my tires? My dealership won't do anything that's not mentioned in a TSB. They do EVERYTHING by the book.
I haven't visited this thread in awhile, but my tire feathering has reoccured after my alignment and tire swap. What do I need to do to get Nissan to replace my tires? My dealership won't do anything that's not mentioned in a TSB. They do EVERYTHING by the book.
My suggestion is to just enjoy the car and don't think about it. The only problem I have noticexd with tire feathering is the tire noise, other than that, it has not caused any safety issues. Turn up the stero to block the noise
j/k!
Originally posted by Hedonist
I haven't visited this thread in awhile, but my tire feathering has reoccured after my alignment and tire swap. What do I need to do to get Nissan to replace my tires? My dealership won't do anything that's not mentioned in a TSB. They do EVERYTHING by the book.
I haven't visited this thread in awhile, but my tire feathering has reoccured after my alignment and tire swap. What do I need to do to get Nissan to replace my tires? My dealership won't do anything that's not mentioned in a TSB. They do EVERYTHING by the book.
So you would recommend that I contact NNA rather than visiting the dealership again? I am having a serious problem with my gearbox as well, but I can't reproduce the problem unless the tranny is really hot.




