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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by BlueDragonZ
I have been trying to read this post from the beginning because I think this is the same problem that I have. I brought my car in to the dealership twice already for this. The symptom is, the car is pulling to the right when I'm stopping. The first time they said that they fixed the allignment, nope. I was still having the same problem. I brought it in the second time with the same problem. The tech said that "due to the large size of the tire, when I'm stoping it automatically gets in the crevises of the road therefore causing this pull to the right." My knowledge is limited to this therefore I couldn't really argue my case inteligently even though I knew there is a problem. So, I'm monitoring it closely and try to find similar cases on this forum, which I did. So is it a safe bet to say that this is my problem? I'm going to visually check my tires this afternoon and hopefully I can see what you all have been describing.
You could have an air bubble in the brake line of the opposite side which it pulls...meaning one side is getting more clamping force than the other. You could ask the service guys to bleed the brakes to see if this is the case, and it should be easy to do.

As for people getting heavier counter weights added to the wheel, do you think that Nissan's wheel balancing machine may not have been calibrated, so they were putting the wrong weights on? This could be a possibility. Have others with this problem gotten their wheels/tires rebalanced, and if so, were they off?
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 07:54 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dnguyen
[B]You could have an air bubble in the brake line of the opposite side which it pulls...meaning one side is getting more clamping force than the other. You could ask the service guys to bleed the brakes to see if this is the case, and it should be easy to do.




Thanks.

I talked to my tech today in reference to the TSB. He doesn't think that my problem is addressed by the TSB. So I did a test and did exactly what the TSB says as far as if the car drifts over one lane in less than 7 seconds at highway speeds. Hey guess what, it does. That nifty stopwatch came in handy. My car changed lane completely at 4.5 seconds. I'll have them perform the remedy according to Nissan and see if it solves the problem.

I also talked to him about in regards to the double amount of weights on the right tires. He says that this is normal and I took delivery on the vehicle with these already on. Since I couldn't quite remember or prove that this wasn't so I let it go. But he assured me that this will not harm the vehicle in any way.
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 09:54 PM
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Has anyone else had Nissan deny tire replacement because the tires are not making "enough" noise?

Nissan Tech told my dealership to not replace my tires which are now feathered on both the outside and inside after the swapping. Their reasoning was that the dealership did not notice a difference in the tire noise from a new car and my car.

Nevermind the fact that I took the car there for them to talk to Nissan Tech to figure out why it's feathering. Now they are in a protect ourselves mode. This is the first time in all my many dealings with Nissan related to the issues with my car that they have taken this type attitude...it's not messed up bad enough.

Just wondering if any of you others are having similar responses

JD
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 11:02 AM
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I don't understand the TSB on the VIN#.
It says the following VIN range is a possible braking and noise issue:
TSB Applied Vins:
A) Vehicles built before: JN1AZ34E93T004958
B) Vehicles built before: JN1AZ34D63T104023

I guess I don't know how to really read this, but I'm currently shopping now (and can't find a deal under MSRP I'll add)
and the VIN on the car I'm interested in has 019162. Isn't this before the B range? But the dealer told me that it just came in from Japan.

Is the '1' after the 'T' an identifier? And should I not even care cause this is all BS?
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfSpade
I don't understand the TSB on the VIN#.
It says the following VIN range is a possible braking and noise issue:
TSB Applied Vins:
A) Vehicles built before: JN1AZ34E93T004958
B) Vehicles built before: JN1AZ34D63T104023

I guess I don't know how to really read this, but I'm currently shopping now (and can't find a deal under MSRP I'll add)
and the VIN on the car I'm interested in has 019162. Isn't this before the B range? But the dealer told me that it just came in from Japan.

Is the '1' after the 'T' an identifier? And should I not even care cause this is all BS?
AoS, go back to the dealer and get the ENTIRE VIN#! A) applies to cars without side air bags, B) applies to those with side air bags. Note in the VIN # that after 'Z34', the next two letter/numbers are different! Different sequence!
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by ChinaClipper
AoS, go back to the dealer and get the ENTIRE VIN#! A) applies to cars without side air bags, B) applies to those with side air bags. Note in the VIN # that after 'Z34', the next two letter/numbers are different! Different sequence!
JN1AZ34EX3T019162 was the full VIN, but it's no use anyway, cause the dealer was being an (_!_) when I told him I'm looking for a deal under MSRP. He then patronizes me that there is no deal under MSRP in this side of the world. What an (_!_). So, I won't be pursuing a car in that dealer. If users on this web have done it, I'm aiming to get that deal as well - but on a non TSB VIN Z.

But as long as it's in a different sequence (next two letter/numbers) then my chances of avoiding this issue is greater, I assume?
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:25 PM
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He then patronizes me that there is no deal under MSRP in this side of the world. What an (_!_). So, I won't be pursuing a car in that dealer.

I know that Vistory Nissan in Richmond VA, has over one dozen of these babies collecting dust of their lot, in every color.

I would imagine that they are willing to make a deal below MSRP.
I know it's about a 5 hour drive from NJ straight down 95.

Dial 804-346-4200. Ask for Kevin and Tell them Tony sent you...and perhaps I'll get two new front tires to replace my feathered ones.
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:40 PM
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But as long as it's in a different sequence (next two letter/numbers) then my chances of avoiding this issue is greater, I assume?
As long as the vin # is greater than 4958 (cars with side airbags) and 4023 (cars without side airbags) you will be outiside of the TSB range (according to Nissan). My guess is that most and if not all of the cars within the TSB range are no longer on lots unless they are slightly used.

That being said, I don't think anyone knows for certain that cars within the TSB are the only cars impacted by the feathering. Example my car is in the 7XXX range I have have the feathering problem (built in Nov 02). I believe some owners have the same problem with vin ranges in the 6000 range and perhaps as high as 9000.
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by tonynyva
That being said, I don't think anyone knows for certain that cars within the TSB are the only cars impacted by the feathering. Example my car is in the 7XXX range I have have the feathering problem (built in Nov 02). I believe some owners have the same problem with vin ranges in the 6000 range and perhaps as high as 9000.
At least I can try my probabilities of issue outside the predetermined ranges. And I'll check out that dealer's inventory in VA. Never hurts to try I guess. Thanks tony...
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:52 PM
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I have heard that some dealerships are blaming the reoccuring feathering on normal wear because it's a sports car. And based on their normal wear position, they are refusing to replace feathered tires.

Since I am not a tire expert, I'll ask the question here. The problem discussed in this forum pertains only to front tires, and I haven't read any issues related to rear tires.

But, wouldn't "normal wear" also impact rear tires to the same extend as the front if everything else was equal, meaning no allignment problem existed in the front?
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 07:09 PM
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Tony
Are you in Richmond? My wife and I live in Richmond. Victory is were we are getting her car serviced. I am trying to get time to bring it in to look at the second set of featherd tires before we go to the lemon law. If you are here in town give me a call at work tomorrow to discuss your tire problems and compare notes.
Thanks Mark 804 784 8851
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Old Jun 12, 2003 | 01:10 AM
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China Clipper:
You should not have a problem buying a car under MSRP. All the dealers in Atlanta are offering for less, so I assume there are other dealers doing the same. Don't get me wrong, there is not a lot off, but they are negotiating.
As far as the VIN numbers are concerned, just know that we are all watching the brakes and tire wear carefully. That is the good thing about the website.
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Old Jun 12, 2003 | 08:00 AM
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Red face caster adjustments

talking to a front end man in a top notch shop he says they have after market kits for many of the cars to correct the no camber/caster adjustments.
we looked at my Z and can't figure out what they are going to come up with. the only option we see is replace the bushings on the lowet arm with excentrics or change the upper arm completly. also these bridgstone tires have a tread pattern that cannot handle the camber we have.
maybe michelin tires will wear better

when my turn comes I am not going to go to the dealer for a head banging I am going to have a 4 wheel alignment done and switch the two front tires
when the are worn out I will go to michelin tires.

sunset, 6 speed vin# 111948 no problems yet
only 1500 mi
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Old Jun 12, 2003 | 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by lew f
China Clipper:
You should not have a problem buying a car under MSRP. All the dealers in Atlanta are offering for less, so I assume there are other dealers doing the same. Don't get me wrong, there is not a lot off, but they are negotiating.
As far as the VIN numbers are concerned, just know that we are all watching the brakes and tire wear carefully. That is the good thing about the website.
If I wasn't tight on time, I'd check out Atlanta dealers, but I only found 1 dealer who was willing to go under MSRP in NJ.

And the VIN is T110951. So I think I'm safe with that range. The killer is it's $1551 under MSRP with 300 miles on it. Is that a deal? I think it is and I'm thinking of picking it up tomorrow.
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Old Jun 12, 2003 | 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by tonynyva
As long as the vin # is greater than 4958 (cars with side airbags) and 4023 (cars without side airbags) you will be outiside of the TSB range (according to Nissan). My guess is that most and if not all of the cars within the TSB range are no longer on lots unless they are slightly used.

That being said, I don't think anyone knows for certain that cars within the TSB are the only cars impacted by the feathering. Example my car is in the 7XXX range I have have the feathering problem (built in Nov 02). I believe some owners have the same problem with vin ranges in the 6000 range and perhaps as high as 9000.
I am in the 10000s, and I also have the problems.
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 07:08 AM
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my vin is 104848! Am I in trouble or in the clear? I have feathering on bothside of my front and rear tires! The fronts have had the tires fliped from one rim to the other and the rears have not! But the feathering has come back after the tire flip on the front making the feathering on both sides of the tire now! What does this mean? What does my VIN have to do with this problem?
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 07:33 AM
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For everyone that has this problem, have you had your allignment fixed? If so did the problem return? This is where I am right now. I had my allignment fixed at about 500 miles. So far (knock on wood) I'm not showing any problems.

I'm also having the control rod replaced on my vehicle next week to fix the DRIFTING TO THE RIGHT TSB.
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by cal_z
my vin is 104848! Am I in trouble or in the clear? I have feathering on bothside of my front and rear tires! The fronts have had the tires fliped from one rim to the other and the rears have not! But the feathering has come back after the tire flip on the front making the feathering on both sides of the tire now! What does this mean? What does my VIN have to do with this problem?

The VIN # range is a bunch of BS. I am almost certain that those who currently don't have the problem will get it when the miles accumulate. Your dealer a BS-ing with you. Swapping tires doesn't solve jack, they should have recommended an alignment AND replacement for FREE. I would contact NNA (1800NISSAN1) about this. Don't wait any longer, there is a backorder for the tires. Demand a replacement.
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by BlueDragonZ
For everyone that has this problem, have you had your allignment fixed? If so did the problem return? This is where I am right now. I had my allignment fixed at about 500 miles. So far (knock on wood) I'm not showing any problems.

I'm also having the control rod replaced on my vehicle next week to fix the DRIFTING TO THE RIGHT TSB.
I had the tire feathering pretty bad. The Dealer corrected my alignment and rotated the front tires. I have now put ~3,000 miles and no sign of the tire feathering coming back yet.
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by alex30327
I had the tire feathering pretty bad. The Dealer corrected my alignment and rotated the front tires. I have now put ~3,000 miles and no sign of the tire feathering coming back yet.

COOL, lucky for you.
It's good thing that I brought it in for an allignment early, this is one problem that hopefully I don't have to deal with.
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