I'm pretty sure based off of their webpage that the number was done with the Engine out of the car and is bhp.

http://www.fontananissanracing.com/Tech_Corner.html

 

Figuring a 15%+/- drivetrain loss it would put Fontana Nissan's Z at 400+/- rwhp

 

I think you are right Kwame. Fontana only did engine dyno, but still 470hp is beyond impressive. Their VQ35DE were built full high compression Cosworth 3.8L bottom end parts, the finest. Fully built valves and heads works with huge cams to support the extra displacement. They even custom built the dry sump oil from scratch to gain extra horsepower, but still protect the engine internal components at extreme racing condition. I think the Motec M800 ECU was the heart of Fontana racing VQ35DE to help them to achieve that kind of power safely.

How much do you think 470 hp at the crank would translate to wheel horsepower from the Fontana racing 350Z?

 

if the they would still make money at say 1700-1800 they would sell tons more and make more profit in long run. still keeping eye on these though. held off on a set of ppe that were in the market place just the other day.

 

Take this with a grain of salt. I'm not trying to rip on everyone at once. But, OK honestly, people? "oh if it were 200 to 500 less I'd be in"

Get real. 100% of you spent 200 on lug nuts and 200 on a JWT pop charger.

You got your calipers powder coated, and made sure your windows were tinted.

You did a whole bunch of useless crap and spent a **** tonne more than 2200 dollars and you know it.

 

Well if they were 1500$ less I'd buy em wink

 

Lol see my post above yours

 

In for results

 

I agree, run more sets, these will sell for a lower price. If we can do dyno comparisons between the 2 and SG's prove they make a lot more HP/torque, then maybe the $2200 is worth it.

 

I am guessing I got a little misunderstood there. My post wasnt to cry about the price, just giving a little advice to get more potential buyers that you wouldnt at the 2200 price point.
I agree with you and don't get me wrong, it may be worth the $2200 but I am not saying sell it for less cause I dont want to pay that much. I am guilty of spending $ "on useless crap" and I would pay 2200 for it if its worth that. But realistically from a business aspect not everyone will, and it has to be taken into account.

 

LOL. I guess we both were typing at the same time with the same thought. You posted yours with a single sentence. On other hand, I posted my one paragraph plus a sentence, LOL.

 

I definately want these headers. I just personally cannot commit until June. I hope these are still available.

I personally think that these are a steal for $2200. For proper race designed headers the RnD is massivly expensive. Look at other communities, a proper set of headers for a e46 m3 is easily >$2500.

 

The E46 M3 costs between $50k-$60k brand new, the 350Z costs $30k-$40k. That is $20k in price difference, so the price for the M3 headers or performance parts are obviously higher than the 350Z without a doubt. With that being said, I definitely consider buying these SGM Sasha lth at $2,200 with pure performance aspect of it, but if I can get them at $1,800 I would feel extra happy every time I rev the Z to 8k, plus $400 pocket change.

 

The original price of the car is irrelevant. When your talking about high end race quality parts it doesn't matter if it's going on a chevette or a corvette. The production costs don't decline because of what the car originally cost. Materials, research and development, workmanship all dictate the respective price. I'm sure if you were to price a set of moton 3 ways the price would be very similar between a 350z set and m3 set.

 

Word.

Especial since the 350Z is fastar on teh track

 

Theoretically, yes. All high end race quality parts cost the same for price in race and development, but increasing or decreasing proportionally and relatively.
1. 350Z Nismo, $40k, $2200, 5.5%
2. M3, $60k, $2500, 4.2%
3. R35, $90k, $3000, 3.3%
4. 911 GT3, $130k, $3500, 2.7%
5. Ferrari 458, $250k, $5000, 2.0%
6. Lexus LF-A, $375k, $7000, 1.8%
That is just an example, you get the idea.

Ideally, No. Because in the real world, manufacture and vendors are not going to sell you the high performance parts for BMW M3 same price as the 350Z even thought the cost for the race and development is the same. So, therefore, the original price for the car is and does relevant. This is the Capitalism world, not Communism world, LOL . Go ahead, try tell to the doctors they will get the same pay for their high educational profession as the high school kids work at McDonalds.

 

If parts are more expensive for a more expensive car, I don't think it has to do as much with the "original cost" of the car, but more the number of them of them on the road and the willingness of those owners to buy aftermarket parts.

If I'm a company, I want to make money, period. The question is...do I make a lot and charge a small profit margin, or make a few, and charge a large profit margin?

Example A:
There's a lot more 350z's on the road, in large part, due to price...so I can accept a smaller profit margin and make up my margins on volume.

Example B:
Porsche & m3. There are less on the road, due mainly to price. Assuming the same % of "enthusiasts" (those willing to spend money on go-fast mods) as Example A -- I need to have a higher profit margin to justify making the parts, seeing as I'll have fewer customers. It just so happens that those able to afford "Example B" cars will pay that margin.

Suppy and demand worth together in a fascinating dynamic.

 

350Z original cost is less = more buyers = more cars = parts cost less.

M3 and 911 original cost is hight = less Civic kid buyers = less cars = parts cost high.

Lexus LF-A and Bugatti original cost is crazy expensive = Jay Leno or Simon Cowell can afford them = 100 cars on the road = stupidly expensive performance parts, but still super rich people are willing to pay for them.

So, I think the original price of the cars is relevant, to the high cost in price of oem parts, performance parts and race parts. You said it in your quote too. Please, tell me if I am wrong.

Lets get back to SGM LTH thread.

 

Might double check with the seller, but I'm pretty sure these are first gen SG Motorsport headers:
https://my350z.com/forum/exhaust/575714-long-tube-headers-with-coast-fabrication-mufflers.html

 

First set of Headers has made it's way out! Second Set will be ready soon and pictures to come! Stay posted!