Isn't the G35 coupe in F-stock and ESP?

 

Yes.

Also, the Genesis has a far superior torsen diff.....

 

Maybe it's good that it's going to rain because I probably can't go. I just don't think I have time to do that and get down to LA.

 

Curious what is the issue you are trying to overcome? Is it no rear coil over in rear? Also its not clear to me do we have to soft mount coil overs or can they be hard mounted? Guess I will build a "national level" ASP 370z ...whatever that means?

 

I wonder how a prepped ESP G35 would fare.

 

Grant, looking at pictures online (not having had the SPC stuff in my hand) it looks like they are not SP legal based on the fact that the bushings appear to have more metal in them than the OEM ones. You can't increase the amount (proportionally) of metal in the bushings in SP. I don't know this is actually an issue for sure, but visually it looks to be the case, but I am hesitant to buy the SPC stuff because of this.

I have SPL upper arms for the front (got a deal), but they aren't legal either due to heim joints instead of bushings. SPL also says they have no intention of building anything that would be legal in SP due to lack of demand.

As for "National Level" I mean completely and 100% legal. I would hate to build a car, go to Nationals and get protested for something I could have prevented.

 

How crazy is that? It has a little more metal? Its not solid metal bearing. It floats in soft material from what I see. Well no point in building a SP 370 as it will go to BSP but not until next year. Got confirmation today that 350 is going to ESP and 370 will go to BSP in 2012. Since I'm essentially running for fun might as well build SM2 car.

 

Say what.....where did you get confirmation?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, though I am also not positive that they aren't legal, I really just don't know. It would take having both the OEM and SPC parts in hand to tell (I think).

As for your confirmation, that would be interesting, though I'm still planning on building for BSP, if the 350z moves to ESP next year so be it

 

How is the G35 sedan in D-stock and the coupe in F-stock?

 

Class philosophy.......

 

The sedan is taller, longer, and.... weighs less? at least according to Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiniti_G

 

I have connections. Lol! Just watch for fast track announcement in next week. And listen for collective crys of rage from pony car drivers.

I'd have better chances of success turning my wifes 350z roadster into a bsp car this year than running ASP the rest of this season in the 370z. I was laughing with a friend who is building a GT3 ASP car last night. Car he is building makes 450 hp, etc. so I have a terrible class underdog car this year and next it will be just ok.

In my not well educated opinion the vague SCCA street prepared rules are designed to benefit longer term members who have figured out where to find the few legal parts which allows them to protest some one who is just installing what broad after market offers. Why penalize semi solid metal bearings with vague rules. AND no one has answered the solid mount question for coil overs, assuming holding protest card on that is done as well? I have never seen such crazy stuff in other clubs. PCA doesn't do this

I thought the whole idea of street prepared is to allow you to bolt a few readily available suspension mods on bolt of engine mods and run a street car in the class. For many of those aftermarket suspensions mono ball pieces are in the equation.

I suspect a certain BSP Boxster isn't 100% BSP class compliant knowing my Porsche parts and this crazy bearing rule. All the popular sway bar links use metal bearings, most everyone upgrading suspensions use mono ***** or a semisolid mount, etc. Coil overs are mostly solid mount with mono *****. For some of their aftermarket they just can't buy non solid bearings? So they would get protested?

 

The rules are actually far from vague, they are pretty specific in my opinion.

As for "PCA doesn't do this", no one has actually protested anything yet. I am just saying that it "could" happen based on the rules, and I don't want to be on the wrong end of that (or any end for that matter). I would rather have my car fit the rules and be slow, than not fit the rules and be fast

 

So you are saying SPC arms are clearly illegal? I understand what you are saying about being sure but if things are clear SPC arms should either be clearly illegal or legal not gray area as I think I see in the rules.

I think I probably dont fit typical SCCA driver as I dont really care if I were to go to nationals and podium place and then get protested for technical interruptation of a bushing rule. I would know I did my best and if somone protested my semi solid control arm bushing that has more metal than stock I'd say more power to them. Probably bad idea for a long time prepared class guy like me to go into the weenie land of street car rules. Most prepared guys really dont care about slight creative interruptation. Street class guys go sort of bizerk over this kind of stuff so I can understand why you are being cautious. I'm more likely to just install what makes sense for the car.

I love asking SCCA rules czars questions. I had a FP class question and couldnt get the person to offer a definitive ruling. He said well it looks like it fits the rule but he wouldnt say yes that clearly fits the rule.

.....OK now you have me paranoid. Im going to jack the car up and poke around at that bushing to see if it has any non metal material in it. LOL!

 

Illegal for sure. I waited 3 months for the SPLs too. I'm tired of trying to find a class for the Z, Fun Runs for the rest of the year.

15.8 C -Suspension bushings may be replaced with bushings of any materials (except metal) as long as they fit in the original location.

H. Camber kits, also known as camber compensators, may be installed.
These kits consist of either adjustable length arms or arm mounts
that provide a lateral adjustment to the effective length of a control
arm. Alignment outside the factory specifications is allowed. Caster
changes resulting from the use of camber kits are permitted. The following restrictions apply:
1. On double/unequal arm (e.g. wishbone, multi-link) suspensions,
only the upper arms OR lower arms may be modified or replaced,
but not both. Non-integral longitudinal arms that primarily control
fore/aft wheel movement (e.g. trailing arm(s) or link(s) of a multilink suspension) may not be replaced, changed, or modified.100 — 2011 SCCA NATIONAL SOLO RULES


4. The replacement arms or mounts must attach to the original standard mounting points. All bushings must meet the requirements of
15.8.C. Intermediate mounting points (e.g. shock/spring mounts)
may not be moved or relocated on the arm, except as incidental
to the camber adjustment. The knuckle/bearing housing/spindle
assembly cannot be modified or replaced.

 

Yes, yes, and yes. Weight is like 75lbs less. The other two seem like a disadvantage...so why the sedan in a higher category than coupe? D stock cars should be theorhetically faster than F stock right (I'm new to this)?

 

Even stock arms use a metal bushings that floats in soft material. Not technically a metal bearing in this case from my inperuptation. Think they are saying no true metal mono ball type bushings. Not floating metal bushings that already preexist.

I'm back to not caring about SP rules. "damn the torpedoes full speed ahead" to SM2 I'm installing JRZ clubsports, big sway bars that haven't been released to general public yet and lightweight Brembo brakes with carbon fiber ducting that make stoptechs look like toys. All parts here install Tuesday.

NASA treats me better I'm going to the track and time trials where I don't have to worry about silly rules forcing me to drive in classes where I don't have a chance. Maybe next year I can build down to BSP but I'm not going to twiddle my thumbs for a year. I'm going to have fun with this car!

 

Sweet! We need more fast cars in SM2 and more competition with the SM cars that run in our run group. Just don't call out my lack of wipers and stereo, ok?

 

Yes, but the key wording is you can't increase the amount of metal to other compound in relation to the amount from OEM.

People ***** about the rules, but they are there for a reason. Otherwise people will strip out a car and expect to run it in a stock class. There have to be limits to help level the field.