Vrt.... :-(
09-17-2007, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
details!?
i dont know full details.....but i know thats true.......some people on here know exact details...and they have chimed in on this thread......if they wana go further into detail about this story...they can.
09-18-2007, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Motormouth
I just saw Eagle1's car in the SCC 'ultimate tuner car challenge' write up... nice VRT logos all over his car.
I'd love to hear from him why he continues to be associated with them. his car is also AWD now and claims to put 600whp through the G35x drivetrain. can't wait to see this.
I'd love to hear from him why he continues to be associated with them. his car is also AWD now and claims to put 600whp through the G35x drivetrain. can't wait to see this.
which is equal to 350 real world HP 
09-19-2007, 05:40 AM
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You know, I always wondered about that guy when I saw him "high rolling" at the track events.
This guy was seemingly at each and every track event. Taking a day off work with his whole crew? With multiple vehicles, a nice big trailer and a fairly new truck to tow it all in. Heavily modified track vehicles with enough race tires to grind up all day long?
It costs good money to do that on a sustained basis. Seriously, it adds up fast. And when you are at each and every event? Where did all the required spare time and money come from?
I would attend track events with friends on various random occasions but he was there each and every time with the same set up. It didn't matter how far, where, what state or when. I saw him at nearly every track event.
If I would attend track events only occasionally and at random and see him at every one of them, he had to be attending nearly every event open to the public. Or at least a very large number of them.
It had me wondering. For a small tuner shop Time and Money are inversely proportional.
More free time = less earnings. More earnings = less free time.
High rolling at just about every track event requires a lot of both time and money. And small shops don't have a lot of both. So it just didn't seem to add up.
...But now, with this recent information, its easy to see how it was all possible.
This guy was seemingly at each and every track event. Taking a day off work with his whole crew? With multiple vehicles, a nice big trailer and a fairly new truck to tow it all in. Heavily modified track vehicles with enough race tires to grind up all day long?
It costs good money to do that on a sustained basis. Seriously, it adds up fast. And when you are at each and every event? Where did all the required spare time and money come from?
I would attend track events with friends on various random occasions but he was there each and every time with the same set up. It didn't matter how far, where, what state or when. I saw him at nearly every track event.
If I would attend track events only occasionally and at random and see him at every one of them, he had to be attending nearly every event open to the public. Or at least a very large number of them.
It had me wondering. For a small tuner shop Time and Money are inversely proportional.
More free time = less earnings. More earnings = less free time.
High rolling at just about every track event requires a lot of both time and money. And small shops don't have a lot of both. So it just didn't seem to add up.
...But now, with this recent information, its easy to see how it was all possible.
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09-19-2007, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydrazine
You know, I always wondered about that guy when I saw him "high rolling" at the track events.
This guy was seemingly at each and every track event. Taking a day off work with his whole crew? With multiple vehicles, a nice big trailer and a fairly new truck to tow it all in. Heavily modified track vehicles with enough race tires to grind up all day long?
It costs good money to do that on a sustained basis. Seriously, it adds up fast. And when you are at each and every event? Where did all the required spare time and money come from?
I would attend track events with friends on various random occasions but he was there each and every time with the same set up. It didn't matter how far, where, what state or when. I saw him at nearly every track event.
If I would attend track events only occasionally and at random and see him at every one of them, he had to be attending nearly every event open to the public. Or at least a very large number of them.
It had me wondering. For a small tuner shop Time and Money are inversely proportional.
More free time = less earnings. More earnings = less free time.
High rolling at just about every track event requires a lot of time and money. And small shops don't have large amounts of both. So it just didn't seem to add up.
...But now its easy to see how it was all possible.
This guy was seemingly at each and every track event. Taking a day off work with his whole crew? With multiple vehicles, a nice big trailer and a fairly new truck to tow it all in. Heavily modified track vehicles with enough race tires to grind up all day long?
It costs good money to do that on a sustained basis. Seriously, it adds up fast. And when you are at each and every event? Where did all the required spare time and money come from?
I would attend track events with friends on various random occasions but he was there each and every time with the same set up. It didn't matter how far, where, what state or when. I saw him at nearly every track event.
If I would attend track events only occasionally and at random and see him at every one of them, he had to be attending nearly every event open to the public. Or at least a very large number of them.
It had me wondering. For a small tuner shop Time and Money are inversely proportional.
More free time = less earnings. More earnings = less free time.
High rolling at just about every track event requires a lot of time and money. And small shops don't have large amounts of both. So it just didn't seem to add up.
...But now its easy to see how it was all possible.
Mr As$hole needs to thank his customers for sponsoring his track event shenanigans
Originally Posted by Motormouth
again, I would LOVE to hear from eagle why he is still associated with them... that should be a great story
09-19-2007, 06:35 AM
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I read this thread, interested, until the "beat-down" came up, now I really want to know the details - someone step up that knows what happened.
To the OP - you have my sympathy, I know what it is to have shoddy work done, however, my stuff was very minor next to yours. Hope it works out for you.
To the OP - you have my sympathy, I know what it is to have shoddy work done, however, my stuff was very minor next to yours. Hope it works out for you.
09-19-2007, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
Mr As$hole needs to thank his customers for sponsoring his track event shenanigans
<in for eagles response>
<in for eagles response>
I attended a race in Pahrump, NV and IIRC, 4 VRT guy showed-up- mostly in G's.
I've known Eagle1 for quite awhile back when he was Vortech'd. Stand-up guy as far as I can tell and he even let me ride in two runs during the Pahrump event. Car was fast and very stable.
Eagle1 seems to be a very intelligent guy and in light of all this crpa about VRT, I am also curious as to why he continues to do business with them.
09-19-2007, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Blu_Blur
Eagle1 seems to be a very intelligent guy and in light of all this crpa about VRT, I am also curious as to why he continues to do business with them.
It seems no matter who it is, anyone within close proximity of Miguel gets the insidious smoke and mirrors treatment. ...Regardless of their intelligence.
And I'm sure that everyone of them (even if they don't say anything about it) is, to some degree, ashmed to have been fooled, used, scammed, associated with, lied to or taken advantage of.
09-19-2007, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydrazine
+1 for Jim Wolf, the magazines, the customers and everyone else Miguel does business with.
It seems no matter who it is, anyone within close proximity of Miguel gets the insidious smoke and mirrors treatment. ...Regardless of their intelligence.
And I'm sure that everyone of them (even if they don't say anything about it) is, to some degree, ashmed to have been fooled, used, scammed, associated with, lied to or taken advantage of.
It seems no matter who it is, anyone within close proximity of Miguel gets the insidious smoke and mirrors treatment. ...Regardless of their intelligence.
And I'm sure that everyone of them (even if they don't say anything about it) is, to some degree, ashmed to have been fooled, used, scammed, associated with, lied to or taken advantage of.
09-19-2007, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydrazine
+1 for Jim Wolf, the magazines, the customers and everyone else Miguel does business with.
It seems no matter who it is, anyone within close proximity of Miguel gets the insidious smoke and mirrors treatment. ...Regardless of their intelligence.
And I'm sure that everyone of them (even if they don't say anything about it) is, to some degree, ashmed to have been fooled, used, scammed, associated with, lied to or taken advantage of.
It seems no matter who it is, anyone within close proximity of Miguel gets the insidious smoke and mirrors treatment. ...Regardless of their intelligence.
And I'm sure that everyone of them (even if they don't say anything about it) is, to some degree, ashmed to have been fooled, used, scammed, associated with, lied to or taken advantage of.
If everyone can forgive my post here that would be great, I will stay out of this again. I could not stay away from that...thank you for the well thought out and appropriate post Hydrazine!!
09-19-2007, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Navygolf13
I know I said I wouldnt post here, but I couldnt stay away from this post. Hydrazine we went back and forth a little on PMs and I could not have agreed more with his post here. I am sorry for getting involved like I did and I hope that the people who have been taken advantage of are well compensated!!!
If everyone can forgive my post here that would be great, I will stay out of this again. I could not stay away from that...thank you for the well thought out and appropriate post Hydrazine!!
If everyone can forgive my post here that would be great, I will stay out of this again. I could not stay away from that...thank you for the well thought out and appropriate post Hydrazine!!
