I agree....those 2 guys are tools.....completely missing the point....That Dogg guy is the biggest idiot of them all...DUMB !!

The idiot is calling out Tom for selling him a fake turbo....but yet he does not really know if the turbo is fake....WOW...Max IQ of 50...Max!! 25 is if he know how to spell his name.

 

How much worse could it be?

as Vinny said, the block is still salvagable.
The pistons are still fine.
the rods are fine.
it looked like it didn't "spin" the main bearings, so the block/main cap bores should be fine for new bearings when it gets rehoned.
the heads were fine - no bent valves, damaged seats, etc. looks like the cam tower bores might be repair though.

At least some parts of the motor are salvagable.

all in all...it could be much worse. Gotta look at the bright side, I guess.

Here's something odd about Vinny's analysis.......He said that the motor was running on 2 cylinders and that the front 4 weren't even spinning due to the snapped crank. I don't see how the motor could have possibly run on only the rear 2 cylinders. With the crank broken and the front of the crank not rotating, the cams would not have been turning. therefore, the valves wouldn't be opeining and closing either. there would be no way for the rear 2 cylinders to make any power, compression, or anything. I don't see how that motor would have run at all after the crank broke. Maybe I missed something when watching the video, but I thought that's what vinny was saying. I guess it is just speculation on what possibly happened.........the crank is ****ed now.

 

i noticed this as well.....i left it alone as to not veer to far off track.....but yeah.....wtf?

 

The car wasn't running. I think Vinny got confused with a different motor he was working on.

 

Ummm OK... Let me be more clear... I meant how much worse or damning could it be as evidence of fraud and shoddy workmanship by JT?

 

Let me see if I get the entire story

1) customer takes car to shop for a full built

2) customer gets car back and motor last one city block

3) customer says WTF and takes car/motor to another shop and takes video of tear down.

4) customer finds Bicycle parts in his Nissan motor.

5) build list does not match what's in motor

6) customer pissed off to the point that he is giving up and parting car out.

7) customer feels that after being raped by JT for over 15k+... He wants nothing more to so with building his Z.

Have I missed anything??? If not... The only way this could be any worst is if JZ got a SGP rappage... Which consist of getting your car back without a motor or transmission.

you notice that when Hennessy does this to his customers .. He finds his azz in court... Or a truck driven through his front door.

 

what type of motor can run on the back two cyls with nothing driving the cam?

excusing him is noble,but it still doesn't fly.

 

Just going to throw this out there, since EVERYONE is giving Coach a complete pass.

How do you start a business where you offer performance mods such as F/I and not know anything about turbos? Especially if you dipped into your already bruised retirement portfolio for the startup funds . I mean unless you have serious XKR money. Most new business owners mother hen over their new projects like crazy. I say this as a business owner that knows what this process is like.

Even if JT sub'd in ebay knock-offs w/o Coach knowing, you would think that as the money man Coach would expect to see an invoice from Garrett or another supplier to pay for the turbos. Documentation for taxes on items costing thousands is no joke, He may have questioned JT on this and that may have been the discovery that led to the stress and illness. This gives him a pass I suppose.

My recollection is that Coach was knowledgeable of our platform in terms of F/I and anything track related, so his complete ignorance is suspect IMO. That being said, I wish him well as a person and hope he finds himself in good heallth shortly. If he was truly ignorant them I am sorry, but he was JT's main shield on this forum for a long time and respect for him allowed JT to ruin more cars and chase off more good members of our community.

If the turbo on the Camaros is a Garrett, this only excuses the latest bit of FAIL. Documentaion of parts should be able to be produced to an owner upon request and JT's previous history makes this even more important. Coach knew what kind of person he was getting when he hired JT. After all, this is the same guy that bailed on AAM with basically zero notice appx a week before their open house, had drama from past fails follow him into the Mid-A region, and openly was PMing Mid-A members and putting down rivial tuners and shops in an attempt to drum up business for AAM while he was there.

 

^this

 

*modified*

 

Well, haven't check this thread for while. Damm a lot of things happend... Sorry to hear about coach...

 

Cass first off let me say.. don't take offense to my reponses to or my response format.. i don't know the facts, but i'm giving you my opinions based on my interactions with coach.. and you should also note i'm probably the biggest JT 'basher' on this forum.. and yes i've been banned for it too.. but anyway.. here is just my humble opinion on your questions

I don't know alot of these guys personally here on the forums.. and i probably have only met Chris, Jorge, Jon, Rome, Julian, Tonester, Ray and a couple other people personally.. and only 4 of those people Jorge, Jon, Rome and Julian i actually have cell phone numbers for.. but the other guys here.. when you talk to them over and over.. you get to know them very good.. even though you never met.. and i like to think i know coach a little more than a couple forum banters back and for.. hence why i gave him this blind pass


Coach may not have XKR money.. but coach HAS money.. i know both coach and XKR's wives drive Masserati Grand Turismo.. those cars arn't cheap.. and along with coach's fully built Z which isn't his daily driver.. he has a fully built mustang thats not his daily driver either.. Coach blindly loved JT like a son.. and you could never tell coach anthing was wrong with JT or JT did anything wrong.. when the company was started we all knew Coach was the money behind the company and JT was the performance end.. it wasn't a requirement for coach to know what a Garrett turbo was.. and when since do you have to know exactly everything aobut a turbo to own or run a performance shop.. i had no idea about the Garrett only being on all Garrett turbo's either and i've done transmission installs, brakes, plugs, turbo installs..etc on my current and prior cars.. really no reason to know everything if you have an expert working for you..


I can't answer this question, because i didn't know.. only coach and JT could answer that.. but just because the turbo's don't come from the manufactuer doesn't mean they arn't authentic.. and if JT showed coach an invoice and coach paid it.. doesn't mean he knew the turbo was bogus..


Coach was as knowledgable as JT told him.. coach tried to know as much as possible about the platform but like everyone else here... you learn from people who teach you.. still wouldn't mean he knew the turbo's were bogus


JT is a snake.. no question there.. just as Coach was blind about JT .. maybe we are blind about coach.. but like coach waited to find out the truth even though it was too late.. i guess most of us will give coach a pass until we find out the real truth.. and if we were wrong.. i guess so.. but for all the convo's i have had with coach and the integrity i know he has.. i will go blind into the night until the full truth is revealed

 

Doug and Cass......XKR money... You two are funny...

Doug has said it all ... That's how I feel about Coach and what went down. If I am wrong about Coach... Well so be it. Coach is no different from me... We invest in a new business venture.... We hire a Pro to front for you.. And you hope for the best. If it makes money you expand.... If it loses money you try something else and you have a nice tax write off

Alot of people warned Coach...I was shocked after what I learned about JT after AAM to see that anyone would ever trust JT around a shop again.

I hope you Orlando members make sure before you drop your car off at a shop you check to see if JT works there.... He is back in good old Orlando.

 

Points taken Doug, I have had zero interaction with Coach, so I don't know him at all. I had a very brief brush with JT, so I know he is shady for sure, so I guess I just wondered how Coach couldn't see this at all.

I'm not saying Coach was complicit in the alleged turbo swap, I am just saying that people may not want to offer a pass w/o explanation. I understand that in his condition he may not be able or should not do anything to cause himself undue stress and certainly has bigger issues to deal with in terms of the sale of his business and dealing with the Camaro customers his shop may have wronged. But.... he did come into this forum as a sponsor actively seaking business and promoting JT as his lead tech and tuner. I would just hope that he eventually comes back and makes a post or thread explaining exactly just what happened with everything.

He owes me nothing, but several of our senior members have gone out on a limb to stick up for his integrity both here and on other forums and made every attempt possible to not cause his business harm even when JT was under his employ.

Sorry for the OT JZ, I will stop derailling your thread. BTW, I'm waiting to see the mods list for the part out, we here in the Mid-A are straight vultures.

 

Cass,

I too have a difficult time swallowing this jagged pill whole and not choking on the blood. Coach being the money man and thus cutting all of the checks, how and where do you not know that the invoices don't say Garrett? It's wholly conceivable to me that he was duped on much that JT appears to have allegedly blinded his eye to, but the kicker for me is, how, on one hand can Tom have "just been the money guy and paid all of the bills" (being the successful, smart, savvy business lad that he is and all) and not see invoices that say Garrett on it?

I'll play along for a second here and shoot out a possible scenario: JT ordered the turbos for the shop (I don't know why he would do this) from some company, after having been given the money, in cash, by Tom to pay for them (again, I don't see the logic in this). JT has the vendor write the invoice to say Garrett. Tom, not being the wiser, doesn't know that GT37R turbo's, even at deep wholesale fetch ~$1200+, thinks that JT has the sooper dooper insider hookup and is getting a smoking deal @ whatever JT got them for. JT pockets the difference and thinks nobody will be the wiser.

Can someone think of another "logical" explanation? It would undoubtedly have to include JT somehow personally profiting off of the deal, having Tom be the unknowing victim -- as well as all of these Camaro guys.. ? Again, as I stated earlier, everything (except this) makes me want to believe that Tom is the victim here, but this variable of the equation leaves much to be explained for me.

Darren

 

I for one will be on the lookout. If I see him or get word on where he is, I will let you all know. I hate it when people get scammed out of money. If anyone else gets any info on where he might be in Orlando let me know and I will swing by and see if the info is correct.

 

wonder how this will work out...
http://www.turbo-kits.com/camaro_ss_turbo_kits.html

 

I dont know how exactly this went down....but in one of my ventures...I have had an employee order subpar items and pocket the difference before....the only way it was caught was when a customer had issues and brought it back when that employee was off that day. It can happen to the best of us...I would not have caught it ....I am never there....I know Toms setup was different....he was always there....Maybe one day Tom will come back and share the entire story with us.

We thank you

 

I hope that Tom makes a speedy recovery.

 

i am sure quadcam has already talked to JT by now, maybe he can enlighten us with a bit more info