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Originally Posted by SoundPerformance
Same way that we build any 1000K HP motor!
Too many people on these boards are under the misconception that this motor is so much different than any other motor. Simply put at the end of the day a motor is a motor. Yes, motors have there differences here and there but a good engine builder is a good engine builder period.
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Originally Posted by Kwame@z1
QFT!!!
Too many people on these boards are under the misconception that this motor is so much different than any other motor. Simply put at the end of the day a motor is a motor. Yes, motors have there differences here and there but a good engine builder is a good engine builder period.
Too many people on these boards are under the misconception that this motor is so much different than any other motor. Simply put at the end of the day a motor is a motor. Yes, motors have there differences here and there but a good engine builder is a good engine builder period.
Yeah..... what is an engine....... just a bunch of metal and some bolts!! Of course there are things that you learn along the way but the guidelines are the same!!
I am pretty confident that I can put together ANY engine properly...... well maybe not a rotary not that I would even want to!!
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Originally Posted by Kwame@z1
QFT!!!
Too many people on these boards are under the misconception that this motor is so much different than any other motor. Simply put at the end of the day a motor is a motor. Yes, motors have there differences here and there but a good engine builder is a good engine builder period.
Too many people on these boards are under the misconception that this motor is so much different than any other motor. Simply put at the end of the day a motor is a motor. Yes, motors have there differences here and there but a good engine builder is a good engine builder period.
I am not knocking SP, in fact I am thrilled to have another vendor with +1000 whp results. I am just curious if they added anything different into the mix with this particular build. Maybe something that the dozens of other vendors on this forum have not done. And if it was so easy than why hasn't every vendor pushed the car to over 1000 whp?
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
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Originally Posted by rrmedicx
I am not knocking SP, in fact I am thrilled to have another vendor with +1000 whp results. I am just curious if they added anything different into the mix with this particular build. Maybe something that the dozens of other vendors on this forum have not done. And if it was so easy than why hasn't every vendor pushed the car to over 1000 whp?
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
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Originally Posted by rrmedicx
I am not knocking SP, in fact I am thrilled to have another vendor with +1000 whp results. I am just curious if they added anything different into the mix with this particular build. Maybe something that the dozens of other vendors on this forum have not done. And if it was so easy than why hasn't every vendor pushed the car to over 1000 whp?
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
Good question....
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Originally Posted by SoundPerformance
Yeah..... what is an engine....... just a bunch of metal and some bolts!! Of course there are things that you learn along the way but the guidelines are the same!!
I am pretty confident that I can put together ANY engine properly...... well maybe not a rotary not that I would even want to!!
I am pretty confident that I can put together ANY engine properly...... well maybe not a rotary not that I would even want to!!
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I've seen others having these coolant issues, but we've been fortunate I guess. We are really just using water and water wetter so that could very well be a point to note. Other then that, just making sure we burb it and fill nice and slow, all has been good. I've don't it more times than I'd like to admit lol
and no issues.
I've not had any coolant issues on the other vq's I've built and those were with coolant. Not sure I have an answer on why issues are arising.
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I've not had any coolant issues on the other vq's I've built and those were with coolant. Not sure I have an answer on why issues are arising.
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Originally Posted by rrmedicx
I am not knocking SP, in fact I am thrilled to have another vendor with +1000 whp results. I am just curious if they added anything different into the mix with this particular build. Maybe something that the dozens of other vendors on this forum have not done. And if it was so easy than why hasn't every vendor pushed the car to over 1000 whp?
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
I can say from experience that keeping backpressure to a minimum is key to keeping heads down. Perhaps the fact that we always run more octane than we need?? Maybe that we use the largest intercooler made? We are also running very large turbos..... And the fact that the ProEFI controls timing so perfectly helps!!
All this said..... who knows.... maybe the next dyno pull she will spill her guts all over the place!!!
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Originally Posted by SoundPerformance
All this said..... who knows.... maybe the next dyno pull she will spill her guts all over the place!!!
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Originally Posted by Chris@SP
I've seen others having these coolant issues, but we've been fortunate I guess. We are really just using water and water wetter so that could very well be a point to note. Other then that, just making sure we burb it and fill nice and slow, all has been good. I've don't it more times than I'd like to admit lol
and no issues.
I've not had any coolant issues on the other vq's I've built and those were with coolant. Not sure I have an answer on why issues are arising.
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I've not had any coolant issues on the other vq's I've built and those were with coolant. Not sure I have an answer on why issues are arising.
Chris
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one thing to add... is that from the 2 problems i have heard with the coolant issues, the car was being pushed using methanol tuned for power with pump gas....larry mentioned how octane is a big friend...perhaps some of those other cars with problems were pushed to much with pump gas and methanol
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Also, a lot of other tuners have a ceiling because of the fuel delivery...most aren't running twin pumps(or triple), just methanol...
The turbos(kit efficiency, turbo size) are a big deal... also a Lil bit of guts is needed... thats how we got from 2 years ago when were sleeves a must for 600whp, to now not being useful unless you are building a monster car like SP is. EMS development is a another big part of the equation too.
Oh well its all part of the learning process for the VQ... as I've said it, most of big supra shops that are part of our forum have seen it all already and what they do is what they know works, so in a way i am not so amazed that SP got this far with their 1st engine build....
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Also, a lot of other tuners have a ceiling because of the fuel delivery...most aren't running twin pumps(or triple), just methanol...
The turbos(kit efficiency, turbo size) are a big deal... also a Lil bit of guts is needed... thats how we got from 2 years ago when were sleeves a must for 600whp, to now not being useful unless you are building a monster car like SP is. EMS development is a another big part of the equation too.
Oh well its all part of the learning process for the VQ... as I've said it, most of big supra shops that are part of our forum have seen it all already and what they do is what they know works, so in a way i am not so amazed that SP got this far with their 1st engine build....
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Very impressive nonetheless. I hope the engine management has something to do with it. Looking forward to seeing and maybe getting to play a bit with the new ProEFI end-user software.
I believe the turbo sizes out on the general market (JWT, Greddy, APS) are most probably the biggest limiting factor more so than fuel pump(s) IMHO. Folks have been running with 2 pumps and huge injectors for quite some time. So I'm leaning towards Turbo efficiency as the limiting factor to reaching to 1K whp mark....until now that is.
You guys are using some big turbos and thats great to see our motors holding up as they are. Keep up the great work.
I believe the turbo sizes out on the general market (JWT, Greddy, APS) are most probably the biggest limiting factor more so than fuel pump(s) IMHO. Folks have been running with 2 pumps and huge injectors for quite some time. So I'm leaning towards Turbo efficiency as the limiting factor to reaching to 1K whp mark....until now that is.
You guys are using some big turbos and thats great to see our motors holding up as they are. Keep up the great work.
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
one thing to add... is that from the 2 problems i have heard with the coolant issues, the car was being pushed using methanol tuned for power with pump gas....larry mentioned how octane is a big friend...perhaps some of those other cars with problems were pushed to much with pump gas and methanol
...
Also, a lot of other tuners have a ceiling because of the fuel delivery...most aren't running twin pumps(or triple), just methanol...
The turbos(kit efficiency, turbo size) are a big deal... also a Lil bit of guts is needed... thats how we got from 2 years ago when were sleeves a must for 600whp, to now not being useful unless you are building a monster car like SP is. EMS development is a another big part of the equation too.
Oh well its all part of the learning process for the VQ... as I've said it, most of big supra shops that are part of our forum have seen it all already and what they do is what they know works, so in a way i am not so amazed that SP got this far with their 1st engine build....
![dunno](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
Also, a lot of other tuners have a ceiling because of the fuel delivery...most aren't running twin pumps(or triple), just methanol...
The turbos(kit efficiency, turbo size) are a big deal... also a Lil bit of guts is needed... thats how we got from 2 years ago when were sleeves a must for 600whp, to now not being useful unless you are building a monster car like SP is. EMS development is a another big part of the equation too.
Oh well its all part of the learning process for the VQ... as I've said it, most of big supra shops that are part of our forum have seen it all already and what they do is what they know works, so in a way i am not so amazed that SP got this far with their 1st engine build....
We just take everything that we have learned from the last 20 years and apply it to every new platform. It's really not rocket science.
If you can just barely get by with 110 octane.... then run C16.
If you can fit a bigger intercooler, DO IT!!
Do not skimp on the fuel system!! 3 pumps are your friend.... and so are the big Weldons!!
AVOID PIGGYBACK COMPUTERS AT ALL COST!!!
If you want to run 30 psi and the turbos will make 35.... RUN 35!!! LOL
Just common sense things is all.
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Originally Posted by Cannysage
that's insane powah! is there any numbers for pump gas?
17 psi it made 720ish which is about as far as Id go on pump on a 3.5
15 psi she made 670ish.
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Originally Posted by rrmedicx
I am not knocking SP, in fact I am thrilled to have another vendor with +1000 whp results. I am just curious if they added anything different into the mix with this particular build. Maybe something that the dozens of other vendors on this forum have not done. And if it was so easy than why hasn't every vendor pushed the car to over 1000 whp?
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
Are they all lousy tuners..no. Are they using inferior turbo kits? maybe, maybe not?
So why are so few tuners are able to reach this high mark? Thats what I want to know.
And also, why do so many vendors have trouble with coolant and what was once thought to be high boost 20psi? Quite a few folks have to regularly bleed their coolant to avoid trapping air pockets. What is SP doing differently is my question?
If "good tuning" is the only answer...then so be it.
This isn't intended as a slam or bash to the other popular shops on here. But it's a fact that's hard to ignore or dismiss as the VQ platform is progressing to 4-digit power levels.
I also think the recent advancements in engine management with the Haltech and ProEFI are also a big factor enabling our platform to get to the next level.
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