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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 08:59 AM
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If I were you, put stock crank pulley back on. Youll get there with c16 or meth.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 03:34 PM
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Great #'s. Congrats on the new power.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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Awesome setup!

nice smooth power made there. Good tq even down low on the rpms.

On the uprev, rev limiter can't be changed by map switching. Just get out of the gas before you over rev it dumbass

So you said this is a t-trim impeller only? you should go with the whole t-trim because the housing is even bigger promoting more flow. More flow at given psi=more power! Then put ceramic high speed bearings in it and let the big dog eat!

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 01:03 AM
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Im thinking of getting 928 motorsports, to let me R&D there impeller. A guy just made 450 @ Hills garage on a stock block and lower boost. They (928 Motorsports) never did a test on their impeller vs ttrim. Only SC impeller vs the 928 but looking at his chart, 3.12 bulley making 450 is way more efficient, he is rev up stock block!


this is his dyno sheet, same dyno as mine, slight temp difference though outside.



Intake temps are getting up there and it was 39 degrees in the shop, s meth is a must, I wanted to do it all on pump gas.

I havent hit 6600 in the car yet! 6500 is plenty fun. Redline is at 7000 @522rwhp ish.

I thank you man for all the help and R&D you did, I just followed your step then added built block!

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 01:05 AM
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928 motorsports highspeed bearing have been at Hills for a week, no time to install.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 05:49 AM
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^6,000 rpm run is all I have...:-(

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 06:59 AM
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If you're looking for a meth kit let me know, I bought cass007's aquamist but never got the ***** to install it. Thinking about letting it go cheap and using a few gallons of 105 octane at the track instead.
shoot me a text man!!! ASAP!

5 gallons?!?!?!
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 07:15 AM
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^ edit sorry Randy, Hills Ordered Meth on Friday late! I called around noon it wasnt. I had the Wheels to Heal Charity event this weekend, called just now, so sorry bro.

Install that bishhh on your car man, just make sure that built block is on order.



One other thing I want to bring up about my build. Frank originally outsourced my block to a shop that has been doing them for some time but with issues on a few. He found 4 things wrong. The first made him look deeper. Engine came back with one of the 6 pistons not matching. It didnt have the valve indentions in one of the pistons! WTF right? Well he looking over the blue print and balance sheet only to discover that the block was 100% fine for stock block specs, but when considering boost, any boost above stock, the specs should be tightened up a bit.

He ordered tons of new bearings to make sure the block was fregging super tight. Withouth the blower you can sit a glass of water on it and it barely moves....i mean barely. 160 exactly on all cylinders! not 159.9 or 160.01. they are all 160 even!

cant ask for anything more...

my cost...? (still waiting for that bill, it wasnt on my ticket!)

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I cant let you leave with it not right, I know youre going to beat on this thing, so it needs to be 110% right, plus now that I redid everything, I have no doubt everything is tq'ed and spec to race specs.
who do you know that rebuilds a block after it was rebuilt? LOL

not nut hungging either, this is simply the facts.

I now rock a hills decal on the hood. Not because they asked me too, but because they earned it. Its half their car. Over the last 6 months they have had it about 45 days for various issues or upgrades.

Meth kit in next week so guess what? It will back... Lower, safer boost, but I have a feeling it will put out the same if not more HP/TQ numbers.

so stay tuned!

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 07:54 AM
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928s impeller is too small for my T Trim housing :-(
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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Awesome numbers.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 09:29 AM
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dang, What are the flow numbers between the 928 and a t trim? I think the t-trim with the larger housing will flow more due to the size verses the high speed of the 928. If i have time i'll look for flow numbers on the t-trim and try to compare them to 928 flow numbers on the sc housing.

did you upgrade the intercooler and are on the stock front bumper? My vortech was running stupid high intake temps also. stock cooler is tiny.
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dang, What are the flow numbers between the 928 and a t trim? I think the t-trim with the larger housing will flow more due to the size verses the high speed of the 928. If i have time i'll look for flow numbers on the t-trim and try to compare them to 928 flow numbers on the sc housing.

did you upgrade the intercooler and are on the stock front bumper? My vortech was running stupid high intake temps also. stock cooler is tiny.

yeah the T Trim is bigger but man that guy had a 3.12 pulley and made 450, I had to do that with the TTrim and the 2.87 so I wonder. ALthough my boost did come on about 1600 rpms sooner.

I did upgrade the FMIC. I did the math and searched based on size.

with VERY Little Modification this is the biggest I could go without removing the crash bar! I aim to push my car to the limits so safety is always first.

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 11:27 AM
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hmm, most high hp cars double your power level don't have a crash bar so how would that imply it's not safe? Unlike chassis type cars our unibody design isn't as dependant on a core support as much. Plus you still have a solid composite core support even after you remove the crash bar. It won't do anything in a high speed accident and i doubt it *** much structural support since there is still a core support behind it.

you can always just tie it together with a flat custom bar if you really think it will help.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 11:58 AM
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Yeah I know my boy w a Z and greddy tt tells me the same thing. I dont know, its just one of those things that makes me 'Feel" more safe I guess. Either way at 140, nothing really matters. lol.

Im good with the power though, lower boost add meth, I should kick this dyno's azz so running 560-600RWHP and 500TQ is plenty for a Vortech!

Unheard of until last week. lol
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 12:08 PM
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I think a strut bar would add more than the crash bar would take away in terms of rigidity. The crash bar will probably do more to protect the intercooler against low speed collisions. It saved mine when I clipped a deer last winter.
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Nice man. Get rid of the crash bar. As binder said, it doesn't really matter. Plus, everybody is doing it these days :P
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So what size is the Intercooler?

Originally Posted by 4SHIZZIL
yeah the T Trim is bigger but man that guy had a 3.12 pulley and made 450, I had to do that with the TTrim and the 2.87 so I wonder. ALthough my boost did come on about 1600 rpms sooner.

I did upgrade the FMIC. I did the math and searched based on size.

with VERY Little Modification this is the biggest I could go without removing the crash bar! I aim to push my car to the limits so safety is always first.

TurboXS= $600 shipped



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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 06:55 AM
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^ 3.5" x 11.75" x 24"
Update!!!!!! above I had the wrong numbers!

Turbo XS Front Mount Intercooler Kit (Evo 8/9) EVO8FMIC


Originally Posted by Turbo XS
We use 19x11.5x3 core with the proper fin density to ensure the best heat dissipation throughout the bar and plate core, while keeping pressure drop to a minimal. The use of a core this size is good for up to 800 hp! On each side of the core we use a 2.5 inch inlet and outlet allow this core to be used as a core only upgrade. Which bolts into the place of your stock intercooler seamlessly.
http://turboxs.com/shop/product.php?id_product=175

you can have them make the outlets both on the bottom.

I ordered mine through PTunning in Manassas, VA, they got me 600 shipped last January...it shipped to my house too! Shipped in 2 days because TurboXS is in MD!

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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 09:21 AM
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Happy Black Tuesday, not only did I get paid a day early, I just recieved a set of LONG TUBE HEADERS for FREEE!

Daum I love this community!

Another Turbo related donation from a member who cant use what was previously purchased. I just have to pay for install..woot wooot...too lazy to tackle that job again! LOL
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 02:24 PM
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i fit the standard 12x24x4" intercooler behind my bumper brace no problem, and it was only 200$.

congrats on the LTH! Do you know the diameter of the runners and the merge collector?
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