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Old 05-08-2007, 06:46 PM
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Anyone have a 4th gear pull on a boosted VQ35?

I would like to simply compare someones RPM curve to mine.

Mine jumps around and isn't smooth at all. I'm not sure if it is the resolution of the UTEC or something more serious.
Old 05-08-2007, 09:34 PM
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take it to your tuner.....y try it urself ?? spend all that money on the ride and u wanna tune it urself??
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Originally Posted by eltness350
take it to your tuner.....y try it urself ?? spend all that money on the ride and u wanna tune it urself??
Not everyone is as clueless about tuning thier own cars as you there Assclown.

A fellow member asks for assistance and the best you can come up with is "Take it to your tuner.....y try it urself ??".... You're some piece of work and your advice isn't what he asked for.

Bottom line.... You suck.

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Yeah, why not tune it yourself?

I have another UTEC on the way, TurboXS has looked at my logs and they think it might be a bad unit. But, I got to thinking and I would like to compare it to someone elses. I'm not totally convinced that the problem isn't with the car.

My tune doesn't look bad at all. My a/f ratio is fairly smooth (could be better, I will admit, but I've been working on other things), and my timing is conservative.
Old 05-09-2007, 08:20 AM
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Come on, I know someone has a UTEC log on their computer somewhere!

I, unfortunately, delete them after a certain period of time so I don't get too many old logs to get confused with my new logs. I wish I would have kept some now....
Old 05-09-2007, 08:37 AM
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sorry kp, i'm not boosted till July... bump for a little help
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You got any NA logs? I can't imagine they would change too much. My acceleration would be a little faster. Anything at this point would be helpful I think.
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I found one on here already - https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....light=UTEC+Log

His RPM rise is MUCH smoother then mine. I'll post mine vs. his when I get home and have access to my computer.
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Cant believe I missed your post bro...

Heres some samples I did a few weeks ago.. I have changed a few things since then but have yet to get some logs.. hope this helps..

Code:

     DATA1

                    Load Knock                       Mod   Mod      Mod     WB 
 RPM   MAP  MAF TPS Site Count   Inj#1 Ign#1  Inj#1  Ign   Fuel     MAF     AFR
       psia  V   %                  mS  deg   duty   deg    %       V    
 1681 -12.2 1.23   1  00    00    0.49  -5.5    0.6 ECU.   +0.0     1.03  >25:1
 1683 -12.0 1.21   2  00    00    0.49  -5.5    0.6 ECU.   +0.0     1.09  >25:1
 1670 -12.2 1.21   2  00    00    0.49  -5.5    0.6 ECU.   +0.0     1.05  >25:1
 1658 -11.9 1.56  42  00    00    1.47 +10.5    5.1 ECU.   +0.0     1.54  >25:1
 1662  -9.4 2.74  98  00    00    2.47 +26.5    4.7 ECU.   +0.0     2.98  >25:1
 1898  -1.5 3.23 101  00    00    7.50 +18.5   11.6 ECU.   +0.0     2.58  >25:1
 1549  -1.2 2.76 102  00    00    7.60 +27.6   11.3 ECU.   +0.0     2.39  >25:1
 1815  -1.2 2.90 103  00    00    7.33 +11.7   10.7 ECU.   +0.0     2.52  24.15
 1665  -1.1 2.72 102  00    00    7.29 +26.7   10.3 ECU.   +0.0     2.47  15.94
 1751  -1.0 2.94 101  00    00    7.20 +19.7   10.7 ECU.   +0.0     2.47  13.39
 1759  -0.8 2.78 103  10    00    7.35 +25.4   10.6 ECU.   +0.0     2.54  13.39
 1769  -0.7 2.98 103  10    00    7.32 +21.6   11.0 ECU.   +0.0     2.56  13.62
 1817  -0.6 3.03 102  10    00    7.54 +20.7   11.3 ECU.   +0.0     2.60  13.92
 1874  -0.5 3.00 102  10    00    7.74 +17.6   11.7 ECU.   +0.0     2.66  14.08
 1903  -0.4 3.01 103  10    00    7.85 +17.5   12.1 ECU.   +0.0     2.66  13.97
 1874  -0.3 3.00 103  10    00    7.95 +17.5   12.4 ECU.   +0.0     2.66  13.84
 1937  -0.2 3.03 103  10    00    7.95 +16.5   12.5 ECU.   +0.0     2.70  13.56
 1984  +0.0 3.11 102  10    00    8.30 +14.4   13.4 ECU.   +0.0     2.76  13.33
 1963  +0.1 3.19 102  10    00    8.41 +14.6   14.2 ECU.   +0.0     2.72  13.20
 2039  +0.2 3.23 103  10    00    8.86 +15.5   14.7 ECU.   +0.0     2.78  13.03
 2066  +0.3 3.27 103  10    00   10.45 +15.7   17.1 ECU.   +0.0     2.84  12.92
 2121  +0.5 3.21 102  10    00   10.58 +15.3   18.5 +20.6  +0.0     2.86  12.00
 2025  +0.6 3.27 102  20    00   10.85 +14.6   18.9 +23.6  +0.0     2.84  11.05
 2160  +0.7 3.31 103  20    00   11.00 +14.4   19.3 +23.2  +0.0     2.96  10.46
 2109  +0.8 3.33 103  20    00   11.14 +14.3   20.2 +22.6  +0.0     2.88  10.09
 2145  +1.0 3.39 102  20    00   11.30 +13.6   20.7 +22.6  +0.0     2.96  10.30
 2192  +1.2 3.43 102  20    00   11.43 +14.6   21.3 +22.2  +0.0     2.94  10.65
 2206  +1.2 3.41 103  20    00   11.56 +14.6   21.7 +22.2  +0.0     3.03  10.86
 2297  +1.3 3.47 103  20    00   11.69 +13.4   21.8 +21.9  +0.0     3.05  10.90
 2319  +1.4 3.49 102  20    00   11.86 +13.4   22.9 +22.0  +0.0     3.03  10.93
 2345  +1.5 3.54 103  20    00   11.79 +11.4   22.6 +21.8  +0.0     3.05  10.90
 2335  +1.6 3.58 104  30    00   11.86 +12.2   23.5 +21.7  +0.0     3.05  10.89
 2374  +1.9 3.56 104  30    00   11.88 +12.6   23.9 +21.6  +0.0     3.11  10.90
 2401  +2.0 3.54 104  30    00   11.88 +14.5   24.1 +21.4  +0.0     3.11  10.93
 2440  +2.1 3.58 102  30    00   11.85 +13.3   24.1 +21.3  +0.0     3.15  10.95
 2506  +2.2 3.60 103  30    00   11.84 +13.5   24.3 +21.1  +0.0     3.13  10.95
 2487  +2.4 3.64 103  30    00   11.94 +13.3   25.1 +21.1  +0.0     3.07  10.96
 2560  +2.4 3.60 103  30    00   11.89 +13.4   25.4 +20.9  +0.0     3.15  10.99
 2604  +2.5 3.70 102  30    00   11.99 +13.5   26.0 +20.5  +0.0     3.17  11.02
 2624  +2.6 3.66 101  30    00   12.00 +14.4   26.3 +20.3  +0.0     3.17  11.08
 2649  +2.6 3.70 103  30    00   12.11 +14.5   27.1 +20.2  +0.0     3.21  11.06
 2662  +2.8 3.70 103  30    00   12.22 +15.3   27.1 +19.7  +0.0     3.25  11.05
 2699  +2.9 3.72 101  40    00   12.33 +15.4   28.2 +19.5  +0.0     3.25  11.01
 2730  +2.9 3.78 102  40    00   12.44 +15.4   28.2 +19.3  +0.0     3.29  10.95
 2773  +3.1 3.76 103  40    00   12.50 +15.3   28.5 +18.9  +0.0     3.29  10.93
 2815  +3.2 3.86 103  40    00   12.53 +17.4   29.0 +18.9  +0.0     3.31  10.86
 2829  +3.3 3.88 101  40    00   12.38 +17.3   29.2 +18.7  +0.0     3.33  10.86
 2841  +3.3 3.92 102  40    00   12.35 +17.3   29.8 +18.6  +0.0     3.35  10.90
 2911  +3.5 3.92 103  40    00   12.37 +17.3   29.6 +18.6  +0.0     3.33  10.93
 2929  +3.6 3.94 103  40    00   12.43 +16.3   30.8 +18.4  +0.0     3.39  11.02
 2944  +3.6 3.98 101  40    00   12.54 +16.4   31.5 +18.2  +0.0     3.43  11.11
 2986  +3.9 4.00 102  40    02   12.67 +17.3   32.1 +17.7  +0.0     3.45  11.12
 3038  +3.9 4.01 102  50    00   12.99 +15.3   33.3 +17.5  +0.0     3.47  11.17
 3135  +4.1 4.00 103  50    00   13.42 +15.3   34.3 +17.2  +0.0     3.49  11.17
 3100  +4.3 4.05 103  50    00   13.64 +16.2   35.9 +17.1  +0.0     3.49  11.08
 3171  +4.5 4.11 102  50    00   13.74 +15.2   36.1 +16.8  +0.0     3.56  10.96
 3211  +4.5 4.13 103  50    00   13.86 +16.2   36.9 +16.6  +0.0     3.60  10.86
 3252  +4.8 4.13 102  50    00   13.99 +17.3   37.6 +16.3  +0.0     3.60  10.76
 3261  +5.1 4.23 103  50    00   14.12 +17.3   38.7 +15.9  +0.0     3.64  10.68
 3297  +5.2 4.27 101  60    00   14.10 +17.2   38.7 +15.7  +0.0     3.68  10.68
 3340  +5.4 4.27 101  60    00   14.08 +16.2   39.7 +15.5  +0.0     3.78  10.76
 3390  +5.8 4.35 103  60    00   14.31 +16.3   40.8 +15.4  +0.0     3.76  10.78
 3450  +5.9 4.33 103  60    00   14.43 +16.3   41.5 +15.2  +0.0     3.74  10.89
 3465  +6.1 4.37 101  60    00   14.47 +15.3   41.5 +15.2  +0.0     3.80  10.96
 3542  +6.1 4.35 101  70    00   14.60 +16.2   43.0 +15.1  +0.0     3.78  11.02
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Code:
 3508  +6.3 4.39 103  70    00   14.67 +16.2   43.1 +15.0  +0.0     3.74  11.11
 3538  +6.4 4.47 103  70    00   14.78 +14.1   44.0 +14.9  +0.0     3.78  11.12
 3588  +6.6 4.49 101  70    00   14.79 +14.1   44.6 +14.8  +0.0     3.82  11.17
 3627  +6.7 4.39 102  70    00   14.90 +14.3   45.2 +14.7  +0.0     3.86  11.12
 3741  +6.7 4.47 103  70    00   15.00 +14.2   46.7 +14.6  +0.0     3.82  11.12
 3753  +6.9 4.54 102  70    00   15.11 +15.2   48.0 +14.4  +0.0     3.84  11.12
 3770  +6.9 4.56 102  70    00   15.23 +15.3   48.6 +14.3  +0.0     3.84  11.12
 3796  +6.9 4.60 103  70    00   15.28 +16.2   49.0 +14.3  +0.0     3.94  11.14
 3903  +6.9 4.68 103  70    00   15.32 +15.2   50.0 +14.3  +0.0     3.96  11.17
 3871  +7.0 4.62 104  70    00   15.48 +16.2   50.3 +14.4  +0.0     3.92  11.14
 3977  +7.1 4.60 104  70    00   15.52 +15.1   50.7 +14.3  +0.0     3.92  11.17
 4006  +7.1 4.66 101  70    00   15.57 +16.1   51.6 +14.3  +0.0     4.01  11.18
 4095  +7.1 4.78 102  70    00   15.59 +16.2   52.5 +14.5  +0.0     3.98  11.14
 4120  +7.1 4.66 103  70    00   15.51 +16.2   52.9 +14.6  +0.0     4.00  11.12
 4145  +6.9 4.76 103  70    00   15.40 +16.1   52.8 +14.6  +0.0     4.03  11.05
 4166  +6.9 4.70 101  70    00   15.40 +15.2   53.8 +14.6  +0.0     4.01  11.01
 4246  +6.9 4.70 102  70    00   15.28 +15.3   53.9 +14.8  +0.0     4.09  11.01
 4284  +6.8 4.72 103  70    00   15.23 +15.1   54.1 +14.8  +0.0     4.00  11.02
 4268  +6.7 4.82 102  70    00   15.31 +13.1   53.9 +15.0  +0.0     4.03  11.11
 4357  +6.7 4.76 101  70    00   15.25 +12.1   55.4 +14.9  +0.0     4.15  11.11
 4415  +6.6 4.82 102  70    00   15.54 +14.1   56.7 +15.0  +0.0     4.03  11.14
 4409  +6.4 4.88 103  70    00   15.45 +14.0   61.5 +15.0  +0.0     4.09  11.12
 4456  +6.4 4.84 102  70    00   15.63 +12.0   58.1 +14.9  +0.0     4.03  11.05
 4486  +6.3 4.82 101  70    00   15.25 +12.2   57.5 +15.2  +0.0     4.05  11.11
 4559  +6.1 4.82 101  70    00   15.40 +11.1   57.5 +15.1  +0.0     4.05  11.06
 4566  +6.0 4.84 102  60    00   15.29 +12.0   57.7 +15.2  +0.0     4.09  11.06
 4655  +5.9 4.84 102  60    00   15.11 +10.9   58.3 +15.5  +0.0     4.11  11.11
 4668  +5.8 4.80 103  60    00   15.04 +12.9   58.2 +15.6  +0.0     4.07  11.11
 4675  +5.8 4.84 101  60    00   15.22 +13.0   60.3 +15.6  +0.0     4.07  11.12
 4741  +6.0 5.00 102  60    00   15.58 +12.9   61.3 +15.3  +0.0     4.13  11.12
 4810  +6.6 5.00 102  70    00   16.07 +13.0   64.1 +14.9  +0.0     4.15  11.17
 4796  +6.9 5.00 102  70    00   16.28 +14.9   65.5 +14.7  +0.0     4.17  11.17
 4880  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   16.18 +14.9   65.8 +14.7  +0.0     4.17  11.12
 4930  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.83 +15.2   64.4 +14.8  +0.0     4.17  11.12
 4916  +6.8 5.00 102  70    00   15.78 +13.9   64.7 +14.9  +0.0     4.17  11.08
 4975  +6.9 5.00 102  70    00   15.57 +13.9   64.5 +15.0  +0.0     4.09  11.11
 5136  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.37 +15.0   64.7 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.17
 5042  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.61 +14.0   66.1 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.27
 5120  +6.9 5.00 102  70    00   15.76 +14.2   67.1 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.34
 5151  +7.0 5.00 102  70    00   15.81 +13.1   67.6 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.37
 5208  +7.0 5.00 101  70    00   15.84 +12.9   68.7 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.37
 5208  +7.0 5.00 101  70    00   15.78 +13.8   68.5 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.30
 5282  +7.0 5.00 102  70    00   15.88 +18.0   69.7 +14.8  +0.0     4.09  11.27
 5307  +7.0 5.00 102  70    00   15.86 +17.9   70.1 +14.7  +0.0     4.09  11.23
 5316  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.78 +17.9   69.8 +14.7  +0.0     4.09  11.23
 5359  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.73 +18.0   70.0 +15.0  +0.0     4.09  11.23
 5367  +7.0 5.00 102  70    00   15.71 +17.8   70.5 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.18
 5455  +6.7 5.00 102  70    00   15.71 +18.9   71.2 +15.0  +0.0     4.09  11.23
 5473  +7.1 5.00 102  70    00   15.70 +18.8   71.4 +14.6  +0.0     4.09  11.27
 5446  +6.7 5.00 102  70    01   15.64 +17.9   71.7 +14.4  +0.0     4.15  11.27
 5602  +6.7 5.00 103  70    00   15.65 +18.0   73.2 +14.4  +0.0     4.15  11.33
 5621  +6.8 5.00 103  70    00   15.51 +19.0   72.7 +14.4  +0.0     4.15  11.33
 5649  +7.0 5.00 103  70    00   15.52 +18.9   72.6 +14.2  +0.0     4.15  11.34
 5668  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.51 +18.8   73.3 +14.5  +0.0     4.15  11.39
 5688  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.43 +18.9   73.2 +14.5  +0.0     4.15  11.39
 5688  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.45 +18.9   74.3 +14.5  +0.0     4.15  11.42
 5797  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.41 +19.4   74.4 +14.3  +0.0     4.15  11.39
 5837  +7.1 5.00 101  70    00   15.40 +19.4   74.7 +14.7  +0.0     4.15  11.37
 5827  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.39 +20.7   74.9 +14.2  +0.0     4.15  11.34
 5878  +7.1 5.00 101  70    00   15.33 +20.8   75.4 +14.6  +0.0     4.15  11.33
 5931  +7.0 5.00 101  70    00   15.33 +20.7   75.5 +14.3  +0.0     4.15  11.33
 5963  +6.7 5.00 101  70    00   15.32 +20.9   76.1 +14.3  +0.0     4.15  11.30
 5973  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.25 +21.9   76.6 +14.4  +0.0     4.09  11.30
 6016  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.25 +22.1   76.8 +14.8  +0.0     4.09  11.33
 6038  +7.0 5.00 101  70    00   15.31 +22.9   77.6 +14.7  +0.0     4.09  11.34
 6027  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.31 +23.1   77.9 +14.9  +0.0     4.09  11.37
 6150  +6.7 5.00 101  70    00   15.26 +23.0   77.4 +14.8  +0.0     4.09  11.37
 6172  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.26 +22.8   78.5 +15.3  +0.0     4.09  11.34
 6184  +7.5 5.00 101  70    03   15.26 +22.9   78.5  +9.2  +0.0     4.09  11.33
 6195  +6.9 5.00 101  70    00   15.26 +22.6   79.2  +9.6  +0.0     4.09  11.28
 6265  +7.3 5.00 101  70    00   15.53 +22.8   81.6 +15.4  +0.0     4.09  11.27
 6265  +6.7 5.00 101  70    00   15.56 +22.6   81.1 +15.6  +0.0     4.09  11.27
 6313  +7.2 5.00 101  70    00   15.51 +23.8   81.9 +15.9  +0.0     4.09  11.28
 6325  +7.1 5.00 101  70    00   15.50 +23.7   81.6 +15.7  +0.0     4.09  11.27
 6373  +6.6 5.00 101  70    00   15.60 +23.5   83.5 +15.7  +0.0     4.09  11.23
 6397  +6.6 5.00 103  70    00   15.64 +23.9   83.3 +16.0  +0.0     4.09  11.20
 6459  +6.7 5.00 101  70    00   15.68 +23.6   84.1 +15.9  +0.0     4.09  11.14
 6459  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.80 +24.7   85.9 +15.9  +0.0     4.09  11.08
 6485  +6.4 5.00 101  70    00   15.75 +25.6   84.5 +16.1  +0.0     4.09  11.01
 6472  +6.8 5.00 101  70    00   15.80 +25.8   85.6 +16.1  +0.0     4.09  10.95
 6574  +7.2 5.00 101  70    00   15.86 +25.6   86.9 +16.6  +0.0     4.09  10.86
 6600  +7.1 5.00 101  70    00   15.80 +25.7   87.1 +16.1  +0.0     4.09  10.87
 6666  +6.6 5.00 101  70    00   15.69 +26.0   85.3 +16.4  +0.0     4.09  11.17
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Thanks for the info.

Your graph looks like the other guys - goes lean, goes rich, then smooths out. I'm 99.9% confident that this is a UTEC issue. However, unlike mine, the two other graphs that I'm plotted have very smooth RPM curves.

The only thing I've noticed is that I'm at about 97%TPS and you guys are both 101ish. I can't imagine that the car would hesitate because its only at 97% throttle though. Tonight I will make an adjustment on my TPS so that it will read above 100% and see if I can get some good graphs.

Thanks a ton for posing your logs, they are a big help. Later tonight, once I'm home, I will compile your graphs, the guys above graphs, and my graphs so you all can see my issue I'm dealing with here.
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Originally Posted by Havok_RLS2
Not everyone is as clueless about tuning thier own cars as you there Assclown.

A fellow member asks for assistance and the best you can come up with is "Take it to your tuner.....y try it urself ??".... You're some piece of work and your advice isn't what he asked for.

Bottom line.... You suck.

i suck?? u SWALLOW ******...GO TAKE UR SLOW *** CAR HOME....

people blow there motors "trying" to tune it themselves dummy...my .02 u dont like it go fu*k urself
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When your logging, you gotta MASH the gas pedal to the floor.. You have to make a conscious effort to push as hard as you can the entire pull so you are at 100+ TPS.. With the G35's you have some extra padding down there and that can hinder you from going 100+. You can get down there and remove some of it as it will be easier to get you there.. I know Jeremy has done that but I just push really hard and get my 220 lbs. of polish blubber into it.. Let me know if you need anything else bro..

Ken




Originally Posted by KPierson
Thanks for the info.

Your graph looks like the other guys - goes lean, goes rich, then smooths out. I'm 99.9% confident that this is a UTEC issue. However, unlike mine, the two other graphs that I'm plotted have very smooth RPM curves.

The only thing I've noticed is that I'm at about 97%TPS and you guys are both 101ish. I can't imagine that the car would hesitate because its only at 97% throttle though. Tonight I will make an adjustment on my TPS so that it will read above 100% and see if I can get some good graphs.

Thanks a ton for posing your logs, they are a big help. Later tonight, once I'm home, I will compile your graphs, the guys above graphs, and my graphs so you all can see my issue I'm dealing with here.
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haha, thanks.

I was thinking on the way home though, that the UTEC doesn't tune off of TPS, so that shouldn't matter, should it?

Jeremy recomended that I remove some carpet, but I have yet to do it.
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OK, here is what I got:

First graph is Kenk2s:



Second is Cersofts from the other post linked to above:



Here is mine:



Mine is obviously different! TurboXS is sending me a new UTEC, hopefully that will fix the issue, but if it doesn't anyone got any ideas?
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There is a procedure to recalibrate the TPS - mentioned in the UTEC manual I think...
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Also, notice how all graphs shoot lean, then rich. Is this a UTEC issue?
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Originally Posted by rcdash
There is a procedure to recalibrate the TPS - mentioned in the UTEC manual I think...
Yeah, you set the reference voltage. But, in speed density mode will this have any effect? My tables are RPM vs MAP.

I'll give it a shot, but I doubt it will help at all.
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Originally Posted by KPierson
I was thinking on the way home though, that the UTEC doesn't tune off of TPS, so that shouldn't matter, should it?

Well, its hard to say because the UTEC loves to 'look ahead'.. The UTEC basically looks at the load and rpm columns and goes from there..

When I tune, IMO there are 2 ways you gotta do it.. WOT and road tuning..

Since we are not WOT all the time you gotta log when you are rollin around town because you are only going to get into the 30-50% load colums for a short period of time.. If your going to drag race, then tuning WOT on the open highways is the way to do it or a dyno..

When your road tuning you will have a mile long log and half of it will be the 0% column so just delete that part of it and tune the 10-50% columns accordingly..
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Hey nice Graphs bro..

Not too shabby if I say so myself



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