You get what you pay for. (failed rotas)
07-01-2008, 04:20 PM
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I personally dont care what brand of wheels anyone gets, as long as it has good offset, drop nicely and clean design its all GOOD. For people who spend thousands of dollars on bodykits, brand wheels and other lame accs and nothing to show under the hood is lame. Most of the SUVs now can accelarate better than N/A Z's
Now if you have clean bodykit and not overdone, brand name wheels and forced induction under the hood then I'll give you props. Just my .2 cents
Now if you have clean bodykit and not overdone, brand name wheels and forced induction under the hood then I'll give you props. Just my .2 cents
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07-01-2008, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by carfi179
I personally dont care what brand of wheels anyone gets, as long as it has good offset and clean design its all good. For people who spend thousands of dollars on bodykits, brand wheels and other lame accs and nothing to show under the hood is lame. Most of the SUVs now can accelarate better than N/A Z's Now if you have clean bodykit and not overdone, brand name wheels and forced induction under the hood then I'll give you props. Just my .2 cents
Now if you have clean bodykit and not overdone, brand name wheels and forced induction under the hood then I'll give you props. Just my .2 cents
i agree...
07-01-2008, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SpoilsofWar
I lol at this forum sometimes.
Some of you guys think any wheel that doesnt have a Volk sticker on it is a ticking time bomb.
They are nice wheels for sure, but bolting a different brand, even if its (GASP) cheaper, to your axles does not always result in disaster...
Some of you guys think any wheel that doesnt have a Volk sticker on it is a ticking time bomb.
They are nice wheels for sure, but bolting a different brand, even if its (GASP) cheaper, to your axles does not always result in disaster...
Only bash those who copy someone else's exact design and pass as there own, and say they are the have the same strength, rigidity and lightness. But ending up FAILED!
07-01-2008, 08:36 PM
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It was a generalizing statement and was not meant to be taken as strictly literal...
What percentage of Rota wheels that are manufactured do you think end up failing? Of those failures, what percentage do you think are these "catastrophic failure" scenarios that Rota haters love to throw around (ie., wheel barrel seperates from spoke section upon rolling over a single grain of sand at 100mph on the freeway, resulting in a firey 73 car pileup and civil war level casualties)
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What percentage of Rota wheels that are manufactured do you think end up failing? Of those failures, what percentage do you think are these "catastrophic failure" scenarios that Rota haters love to throw around (ie., wheel barrel seperates from spoke section upon rolling over a single grain of sand at 100mph on the freeway, resulting in a firey 73 car pileup and civil war level casualties)
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07-01-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NismoZ33
35%? how did you come up with this number? Which Race tracks/event are you talking about in japan?
reason why you see RPF01 in Koni Challenge is cause they give them out for FREE.
Yes I aggree that the 2pcs volk wheels center are cast but the most important part of the wheel that need to be forged is the outter. The outter of all 2pcs Volk are forged.
BTW if cast wheels are so great why don't Formula One (the pinnacle or racing) use cast wheels?
just my 2 cent.
reason why you see RPF01 in Koni Challenge is cause they give them out for FREE.
Yes I aggree that the 2pcs volk wheels center are cast but the most important part of the wheel that need to be forged is the outter. The outter of all 2pcs Volk are forged.
BTW if cast wheels are so great why don't Formula One (the pinnacle or racing) use cast wheels?
just my 2 cent.
They may give Koni Challenge teams RPF01 wheels, but they also gave Formula 1 drivers Michelins which if you remember correctly they refused to drive on for safety issues. Just the fact that so many Grand Am cars are using these wheels with no apparent failures is reason enough to use a cast wheel.
I have seen kenisis wheels crack (forged), HRE wheels crack (forged), SSR whesl crack (forged) etc. Forged doesn't necessarily mean stregnth. Wheel manufacturers often take the weight advantage than the stregnth advantage. They make the wheels lighter not stronger.
Why does F1 use forged wheels exclusively? Because F1 whels are magnesium wheels and cast magnesium cannot even compete in stregnth to cast aluminum let alone forged aluminum.
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07-01-2008, 09:55 PM
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Anything thats massed produced isn't gonna have a 100% success rate. People always focus on the negative. So theres a reported case of one Rota wheel failing so what about all of the people who ride of Rotas everyday with no problems? One wheel out of thousands fails now Rota is a bad manufacturer. If thats the case the 350Z is a terrible car because some had tire feathering, bad window motors, bad trannys on the 6MT, etc. Saying Volk or nothing is like saying Farrari or nothing. And just because a wheel is priced inexpensively doesn't mean it's cheap in quality. If Volk sold their rims at the same price as Rota would your view of Volks change? Like I said before I'm not taking sides, I don't have Rotas or Volks but completely bashing Rota because one person cracked one is ridiculous.
07-02-2008, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SpoilsofWar
It was a generalizing statement and was not meant to be taken as strictly literal...
What percentage of Rota wheels that are manufactured do you think end up failing? Of those failures, what percentage do you think are these "catastrophic failure" scenarios that Rota haters love to throw around (ie., wheel barrel seperates from spoke section upon rolling over a single grain of sand at 100mph on the freeway, resulting in a firey 73 car pileup and civil war level casualties)
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What percentage of Rota wheels that are manufactured do you think end up failing? Of those failures, what percentage do you think are these "catastrophic failure" scenarios that Rota haters love to throw around (ie., wheel barrel seperates from spoke section upon rolling over a single grain of sand at 100mph on the freeway, resulting in a firey 73 car pileup and civil war level casualties)
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35% is just a good guestimate from being involved in racing.
They may give Koni Challenge teams RPF01 wheels, but they also gave Formula 1 drivers Michelins which if you remember correctly they refused to drive on for safety issues. Just the fact that so many Grand Am cars are using these wheels with no apparent failures is reason enough to use a cast wheel.
I have seen kenisis wheels crack (forged), HRE wheels crack (forged), SSR whesl crack (forged) etc. Forged doesn't necessarily mean stregnth. Wheel manufacturers often take the weight advantage than the stregnth advantage. They make the wheels lighter not stronger.
Why does F1 use forged wheels exclusively? Because F1 whels are magnesium wheels and cast magnesium cannot even compete in stregnth to cast aluminum let alone forged aluminum.
They may give Koni Challenge teams RPF01 wheels, but they also gave Formula 1 drivers Michelins which if you remember correctly they refused to drive on for safety issues. Just the fact that so many Grand Am cars are using these wheels with no apparent failures is reason enough to use a cast wheel.
I have seen kenisis wheels crack (forged), HRE wheels crack (forged), SSR whesl crack (forged) etc. Forged doesn't necessarily mean stregnth. Wheel manufacturers often take the weight advantage than the stregnth advantage. They make the wheels lighter not stronger.
Why does F1 use forged wheels exclusively? Because F1 whels are magnesium wheels and cast magnesium cannot even compete in stregnth to cast aluminum let alone forged aluminum.
-- FYI Enkei's F1 wheel on Mclaren's car are design by Enkei but made by another "forged" company, along with many of their "racing" wheels.
Koni Challange or Gram Am series, no one said a cast wheels are bad but if my team is on a budget anything I can get for free why would I say no? Plus if they are willing to support me with parts and money I don't think anyone out there would say "no". The Team that have the big budget can pick and buy what they think can give them a 10th of a second or better then their rival.
-- Team that are running BBS & Rays buy their wheels (super gt & formula 1)
-- btw if you are so into comparing race to street wheels then why not start using "steel" wheels for street. That all NASCAR are using right?
There are difference between Forged Wheels and those "Forged" Block that are CNC out to become a wheel. If forged is about the same a cast why would "advan" request Rays to make them a Forged wheels for their new lightup?
Not sure if you are doing your research before you reply. There are so many different way to make a cast and forged a wheel good. Its just come down to on if you want to cut corner, copy design, use cheap material etc.
-- For the last time, I don't think anyone are saying CAST wheels are bad. Its just that company that copy a wheel design and making it their own with out testing is just dumb.
07-02-2008, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by THe Emperor
Anything thats massed produced isn't gonna have a 100% success rate. People always focus on the negative. So theres a reported case of one Rota wheel failing so what about all of the people who ride of Rotas everyday with no problems? One wheel out of thousands fails now Rota is a bad manufacturer. If thats the case the 350Z is a terrible car because some had tire feathering, bad window motors, bad trannys on the 6MT, etc. Saying Volk or nothing is like saying Farrari or nothing. And just because a wheel is priced inexpensively doesn't mean it's cheap in quality. If Volk sold their rims at the same price as Rota would your view of Volks change? Like I said before I'm not taking sides, I don't have Rotas or Volks but completely bashing Rota because one person cracked one is ridiculous.
07-02-2008, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NismoZ33
Do you really want something like that to happen?
I was trying to express that I believe running Rota wheels, while they may be marginally more likely to fail then other higher end brands of wheels, does not pose an unacceptable risk by any measure.
It honestly seems like some people on here think that a large proportion of Rota wheels fail. My assumption (based only on the relatively few cases of Rota failure I've seen posted about, and the relatively large number of Rotas that are sold/installed), is that the actual rate of failure is probably a fraction of a percent. Logically, the rate of catastrophic failure would be only a smaller fraction of that fraction.
07-02-2008, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SpoilsofWar
Of course not, I think you were missing the point of my post.
I was trying to express that I believe running Rota wheels, while they may be marginally more likely to fail then other higher end brands of wheels, does not pose an unacceptable risk by any measure.
It honestly seems like some people on here think that a large proportion of Rota wheels fail. My assumption (based only on the relatively few cases of Rota failure I've seen posted about, and the relatively large number of Rotas that are sold/installed), is that the actual rate of failure is probably a fraction of a percent. Logically, the rate of catastrophic failure would be only a smaller fraction of that fraction.
I was trying to express that I believe running Rota wheels, while they may be marginally more likely to fail then other higher end brands of wheels, does not pose an unacceptable risk by any measure.
It honestly seems like some people on here think that a large proportion of Rota wheels fail. My assumption (based only on the relatively few cases of Rota failure I've seen posted about, and the relatively large number of Rotas that are sold/installed), is that the actual rate of failure is probably a fraction of a percent. Logically, the rate of catastrophic failure would be only a smaller fraction of that fraction.
07-02-2008, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by brigz
Personally i wouldnt take the risk of going with "affordable" rims. If the risk of cracking is more likely with rotas, imagine if the barrel of the wheel actually broke off the spokes during a drive or even worse, during an auto-x. Instead of spending a little more on qualilty wheels, you would end up spending money fixing the damage due to a broken rim.
Just wondering, the track cars posted above drive 99 percent of the time on smooth roads. Daily drivers deal with potholes, uneven roads, and junk on the road. So do tracked rims really go under impact stress like street driven rims?
Just wondering, the track cars posted above drive 99 percent of the time on smooth roads. Daily drivers deal with potholes, uneven roads, and junk on the road. So do tracked rims really go under impact stress like street driven rims?
07-02-2008, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JSDZ33
never mind i know why it cracked. he lives in san leandro!!!! bay area= worst roads on the planet!!!! i bent one of my TSW's in Oakland like 3 years ago. our roads=FAIL!!!!
07-02-2008, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by NismoZ33
I don't think you can make CAST magnesium due its material to catch on fires.
For the person saying that they last on the track cause of the smooth surfaces. I take it you havn't hit a rumble strip at speed yet have you. Do you have any idea about the cornering load on the track , how about with slicks, Oh and the temps the wheel see's from the brakes. The track puts a lot more stress on a wheel.
07-02-2008, 09:58 AM
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You people amaze me. Who really gives a ****.
Rota Wheels
Pros-inexpensive, look nice, and offer pretty good quality
Cons-knockoff wheels that don't always offer the best offset
So the guy cracked a wheel. That blows. Almost every other wheel company in the world suffers the same fate at one point or another. The difference is when a rota owner has an issue with a wheel it's only going to cost them peanuts to replace it, not to mention the wait time should be less than 2 weeks. Can you say the same for some of the other "high quality" brands?
With that said, I would much rather have a set of advans/volks/etc. but that doesn't mean I don't back rota.
As a Z community you shouldn't be hating on what brand a particular wheel manufacturer is, rather the style/offset. I'm all for flaming a dude with chrome 20's and a +40 offset.
Rota Wheels
Pros-inexpensive, look nice, and offer pretty good quality
Cons-knockoff wheels that don't always offer the best offset
So the guy cracked a wheel. That blows. Almost every other wheel company in the world suffers the same fate at one point or another. The difference is when a rota owner has an issue with a wheel it's only going to cost them peanuts to replace it, not to mention the wait time should be less than 2 weeks. Can you say the same for some of the other "high quality" brands?
With that said, I would much rather have a set of advans/volks/etc. but that doesn't mean I don't back rota.
As a Z community you shouldn't be hating on what brand a particular wheel manufacturer is, rather the style/offset. I'm all for flaming a dude with chrome 20's and a +40 offset.
07-02-2008, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by brigz
Just wondering, the track cars posted above drive 99 percent of the time on smooth roads. Daily drivers deal with potholes, uneven roads, and junk on the road. So do tracked rims really go under impact stress like street driven rims?
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07-02-2008, 10:01 AM
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Also after looking at the top left picture posted in the first thread, it is very obvious this tire had extremely low tire pressure or was almost flat for some time. There is a dark mark that goes around the entire center of the tire which is a result from extreme sidewall stress, the cause of this stress is low tire pressure. The only protection a wheel has is the tire and when there isn't a cushion of air.. you get the picture 
-Dan
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