Which Z coupe model is best for racing etc?
04-13-2005, 05:49 AM
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I mentioned about the VDC not being able to be completly off, because I saw a japanesse video, with different modiffied Z's and they mentioned that. i dont know if it is a fact or not.
04-13-2005, 06:40 AM
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If my memory serves me correctly, the VDC does not completely disable when you turn it off, but theres a fuse somewhere that you just have to pull out which will completely disable it? Correct me if I am wrong.
04-14-2005, 11:41 AM
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Traction control cannot be turned all the way off without a modification: http://kptechnologies.com/
04-14-2005, 02:02 PM
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+1 for an Enthusiast and spend the bucks on a BBK and some suspension mods.
I got my Track for a smok'n deal... When I hit the button, I don't seem to have any TCS or VDC, but still have the ABS.
I got my Track for a smok'n deal... When I hit the button, I don't seem to have any TCS or VDC, but still have the ABS.
04-15-2005, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Skrill
The best Z for tracking is the Performance Nissan race car.
The 6 speed will be faster than the 5MT on any track.
The Brembros do not stop from a cold 60-0 distance than the non-Brembros. Braking distance is a function of vehicle weight and tire grip.
However, the Brembros (or another BBK -- I bought Stoptechs) are necessary for track purposes as the non-Brembro will fade to oblivion on the track (the 16 year old idiot was right in that respect -- the BBK advantage is heat/fade resistance).
While the stock Brembros may be heavier than regular brakes -- this is because of the heavy rotor used. Replace the stock rotor with the Stoptech direct replacements and you will cut unsprung weight dramatically (this is because of the aluminum hat and 2-piece design of the Stoptech rotor).
I made a track car by taking the Enthusiast model (I wanted Xenons, Cruise, Homelink and VLSD -- at least until I do the Nismo) -- adding SSR Comps with massive tires (265/35 front - 295/35 rear), Stoptechs, and 350Evo Sways. Since then I have also added a Koyo Radiator, Nismo P/S cooler and Nissan Motorsport Oil Cooler -- the track temps at my local Socal tracks get very excessive -- you will overheat the stock radiator if you run your hard.
There is no real need to a lot of power adders until you can take the Z to its absolute limit. Even then you will get better times by putting on R-comp tires versus stuff like intake and exhaust.
Here is my writeup on my track makeover stage one:
https://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-suspension/97150-the-diy-track-model-stoptechs-installed.html
Good luck and have fun.
The 6 speed will be faster than the 5MT on any track.
The Brembros do not stop from a cold 60-0 distance than the non-Brembros. Braking distance is a function of vehicle weight and tire grip.
However, the Brembros (or another BBK -- I bought Stoptechs) are necessary for track purposes as the non-Brembro will fade to oblivion on the track (the 16 year old idiot was right in that respect -- the BBK advantage is heat/fade resistance).
While the stock Brembros may be heavier than regular brakes -- this is because of the heavy rotor used. Replace the stock rotor with the Stoptech direct replacements and you will cut unsprung weight dramatically (this is because of the aluminum hat and 2-piece design of the Stoptech rotor).
I made a track car by taking the Enthusiast model (I wanted Xenons, Cruise, Homelink and VLSD -- at least until I do the Nismo) -- adding SSR Comps with massive tires (265/35 front - 295/35 rear), Stoptechs, and 350Evo Sways. Since then I have also added a Koyo Radiator, Nismo P/S cooler and Nissan Motorsport Oil Cooler -- the track temps at my local Socal tracks get very excessive -- you will overheat the stock radiator if you run your hard.
There is no real need to a lot of power adders until you can take the Z to its absolute limit. Even then you will get better times by putting on R-comp tires versus stuff like intake and exhaust.
Here is my writeup on my track makeover stage one:
https://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-suspension/97150-the-diy-track-model-stoptechs-installed.html
Good luck and have fun.
Listen to this guy, this setup is superior to the track 350z and marginally more expensive. And warranty to drivetrain is not compromised.
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04-15-2005, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Kolia
Plus, you can't put an after-market LSD on a VDC equiped car.
The problem is only for automatic cars.
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04-15-2005, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kolia
What's different with automatic cars then?
Anyways, I was quoting NISMO on that...
Anyways, I was quoting NISMO on that...
04-15-2005, 04:50 PM
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If you're looking to buy a car and go straight to the track then by far the track model would be the best.
If you're going to go racing often and jump into it with both feet then get the base. You WILL replace most of the extra options the base Z doesnt offer. I've never heard anything great about the stock LSD unit even the nismo one has cought some crap from track guys.
Plus the base weighs the least out of all the Zs by a few lbs.
Bottem line if you want a turn key track car buy the track model.
If you want to build a nice all around car go for the base becuase its pointless to waste money on things you will only ebay/trash later on.
If you're going to go racing often and jump into it with both feet then get the base. You WILL replace most of the extra options the base Z doesnt offer. I've never heard anything great about the stock LSD unit even the nismo one has cought some crap from track guys.
Plus the base weighs the least out of all the Zs by a few lbs.
Bottem line if you want a turn key track car buy the track model.
If you want to build a nice all around car go for the base becuase its pointless to waste money on things you will only ebay/trash later on.
04-15-2005, 07:55 PM
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I like the Track Model, of course that's what I have anyway. It's everybody to their own taste. And I like having the Brembo Brakes. I will be building it up also, but I wouldn't have it no other way.
04-15-2005, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kolia
What's different with automatic cars then?
Anyways, I was quoting NISMO on that...
Anyways, I was quoting NISMO on that...
What I know, is that Nissan-Nismo writes a lot of poo-poo. (they say same thing about nismo wheels and nismo suspension).
I also know that people have been running aftermarket LSD, Nismo wheels and suspensions on VDC equipped car for quite some time now without any issue. (kaaz, nismo and co.)
04-16-2005, 04:25 AM
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I track my car 13 or so times a year and if I had to do it over, I only see three choices. BTW, I have a Performance model.
( Track Model ) will need new pads, lines and fluid and it will be ready for a few track days. However, if you gain the skill to drive fast, or drive more than just a few track days, you will need to upgrade the brakes, tires and swaybars, and possibly suspension.
Plusses - Brembos, Lighter/wider rims, LSD. Minuses - Brembos, LSD, 18" tires expensive and smaller selection
( Enthusiast Model ) will need a brake kit, pads, lines, fluid immediately to be safely trackable. I drove probably 8 track days on the stock brakes and it was unsafe after 2 track days. After your skill develops, add all the stuff from above.
Plusses- Has LSD, HID's, TCS, 17" rims equals cheaper tires and bigger selection, good compromise, add brakes and you are still cheaper than a track model with same results. 17" rims are probably better than 18's at the track. Minuses - Immediate brake upgrade required. You will eventually run into the limits of your car and have to replace everything anyway. 50 series tires will have to go immediately.
( Base Model ) This choice is really only for people who have a ton of money and know exactly how they want to prep their car for the track.
Plusses - Blank canvas, No VDC/TCS, Possible to do minimum prep and still be cheaper than a track. Minuses - Need LSD, Brakes before you can do anything. Expensive up front to get trackable. No HID's
If I had to pick one to go to a shootout against other cars without any prep, I'd pick the Track. If I was going to race prep the car I'd pick the Base and if I was just going to take it to the track on occasion or even regularly, I'd pick the Enthusiast.
In short;
Best value is the Enthusiast
Best out of the box is the Track
Best place to start if you have money the Base
( Track Model ) will need new pads, lines and fluid and it will be ready for a few track days. However, if you gain the skill to drive fast, or drive more than just a few track days, you will need to upgrade the brakes, tires and swaybars, and possibly suspension.
Plusses - Brembos, Lighter/wider rims, LSD. Minuses - Brembos, LSD, 18" tires expensive and smaller selection
( Enthusiast Model ) will need a brake kit, pads, lines, fluid immediately to be safely trackable. I drove probably 8 track days on the stock brakes and it was unsafe after 2 track days. After your skill develops, add all the stuff from above.
Plusses- Has LSD, HID's, TCS, 17" rims equals cheaper tires and bigger selection, good compromise, add brakes and you are still cheaper than a track model with same results. 17" rims are probably better than 18's at the track. Minuses - Immediate brake upgrade required. You will eventually run into the limits of your car and have to replace everything anyway. 50 series tires will have to go immediately.
( Base Model ) This choice is really only for people who have a ton of money and know exactly how they want to prep their car for the track.
Plusses - Blank canvas, No VDC/TCS, Possible to do minimum prep and still be cheaper than a track. Minuses - Need LSD, Brakes before you can do anything. Expensive up front to get trackable. No HID's
If I had to pick one to go to a shootout against other cars without any prep, I'd pick the Track. If I was going to race prep the car I'd pick the Base and if I was just going to take it to the track on occasion or even regularly, I'd pick the Enthusiast.
In short;
Best value is the Enthusiast
Best out of the box is the Track
Best place to start if you have money the Base
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07-20-2019, 10:54 AM
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i just purchased a mint 07 350z what id like to find out is what model it is.its got a ton of neat options ex.heated burnt orange power seats,vtc, xenon lites,power heated mirrors and lots more but the brakes appear not to be brembro as they are alumimum colored with 4 piston front and 2 piston rear the car is a roadster but like i said it says nothing about being base or enthusiast or touring on any paperwork i have.can anyone tell me which model it may or may not be thanks.
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