vegaspimp

I carry a gun in my car. I use it to rob 7-11's.

Racer Z

So..... he rushed your car with a crowbar and you jump out of your Z with a Glock and start aiming it at him. Imagine this scene.....the crowd in the parking lot goes insane and start running and screaming. Shortly thereafter, 3 cop cars arrive and WHO will they wrestle down to the ground...YOU! Because you have a GUN, which is FAR MORE DEADLY than a crowbar. You'll get handcuffed (along with the dumbass with the crowbar). He'll get assault charges...BUT YOU WILL GET ASSAULT WITH DEADLY WEAPON CHARGES + CHARGES FOR PULLING OUT A FIREARM IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

You'll have HEAVY FINES TO PAY and POSSIBLY JAIL TIME, DEPENDING ON THE STATE.

I live in NJ, which ISN'T a "Gun-Friendly" State, I'd hate to face a judge with the above scenario in mind....I just might be in a orange jumpsuit and handcuffs when I get to the court room.

burntZ

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'i'm sorry officer but i panicked as he was hitting my car with his crowbar and accidently ran him over as i tried to get away..'
'no sir i don't recall why it took 2 blocks til i caught him and was unaware that he was stuck under the car for the next mile and the stereo was turned up so i didn't hear the screaming'

Racer Z

Now THAT would be interesting to see on "COPS" or "AMERICA'S STUPIDEST CRIMINALS"...LOL

Timmy_boy188

I carry my taurus 9mm in my Z, I keep it loaded with it in the holster, a plus about AZ, I take it out when I get home, I also keep my shotgun loaded in between my mattress, THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION IS THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, I SAY PUT THAT INTO FULL AFFECT!!!

Tim

The Mike

Legal question for Texas. In this video if you were in one of the cars beside the pt cruiser getting attacked.... Could you legally shoot the attacker for fear that their lives were in danger?

jpm_fan

The "right of the people to keep and bear arms". How can you interpret that any differently?

I'll forgive you because you're Canadian, but that's the kind of thinking that leads to socialism. People don't "have" to commit crimes, they choose to. You eliminate the criminals by capturing them and putting them in jail. There's no reason that a person "has" to rape someone, they choose to.

In reality, this is one of the safest countries in the world. We're not all carrying guns because we're scared, I'm hardly ever scared. We carry them because we can. It's our right. The UK has almost completely wiped out gun ownership and their crime has skyrocketed. Same for AU. In Canada, the "national gun registry" that was supposed to cost a few million dollars has cost exponentially more. Your God give right to protect yourself has been eroded and you all have allowed it to happen.

Low J.

I disagree.......that guy with the crowbar is using deadly force....one hit in the head and you're done......you could have shot his a$$ in that situation without any worry of legal problems. That is the specifically the type of situation that C&C laws have been enacted for.

VeeTec

I carry a sig P229R, (.40) with DAK. My duty weapon.

ZlleH

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I think you are forgetting that if the prosecutor can prove that he had every chance to drive away(which the original owner said he did drive away)... If the prosecutor can prove that there was any way to leave the situation and you didn't and choose to bring out your weapon and shoot him... You are up sh|t creek.

DayBlueZ

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That's not the way the law works in Fl now. You DON'T have to retreat. You can use deadly force if it is being used against you.
If you are stupid enough to attack a person in a vehicle with a crowbar, then you are fair game to be run over or shot.
It's about time we took rights and legal recourse away from criminals.
I think if you are commiting a crime against someone, you have just lost all rights.

MajorWoody

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If I was the driver of that PT, I'd keep this in mind. "I was in fear for my life"

That cruiser tried everything to get out of the situation. He could have shot the guy and it would have been self defense.

zYouLater

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This is all very interesting as I too have been thinking about carrying my .44 magnum in the Z. After 21 years in the Army, I really want my property protected. I worked very hard to get what I have, and I will protect myself, family and property. I'm not looking for a confrontation, but I want to be ready should it find me.

Lerxst

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I'm debating the purpose of the ammendment... to protect the state as the state could not afford a standing army, not to carry a gun in your Z.


How about we try to keep this debate mature? I enjoy debating heated topics as it expands my knowledge in search of the truth. If you're going to come into this with an ethnocentric closed mind... then the debate is over for me.

Nothing wrong with socialism as long as everyone's willing to pull their own weight and those who don't are punished. I agree... those who choose to commit crimes should be punished, severely. But why is this person committing the crime? As an example, someone growing up impoverished where the only world they see is crime... will probably be much more likely to commit a violent crime. All they know is crime, and along with that, no respect for other people's property or personal well-being. If we do something to address this environment, it could have an effect... over time of course. There's LOTS of loopholes and stereotyping (for which I apologize) not addressed in this example, but I am trying to keep it brief...

DayBlueZ has it right there... if you commit a crime against someone, your rights are out the window!


September 2004 report from US Dept of Justice. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cnscj.pdf . Some crazy numbers in England and Australia, but I'll stick with Canada since that's where I'm from. Too bad the most recent figures are 5 years old... but it is a good indicator.

_________________________Canada__US
Homicides (per 1,000 people)__0.02____0.06__3X more
Assault (per 1,000 people)____1.3_____6.7___5X more
Vehicle theft - Different measures used...
Rape (per 1,000 women)______0.02____0.64__32X more
Robbery (per 1,000 people)____0.9_____3.6___4X more
Burglary(per 1,000 homes)____27.6____34.1

It's a freak'n joke. To date it's cost over 2 Billion and does nothing.



Have fun people... I've shared my thoughts and hijacked this thread far too much...

Ummm... no, I don't carry a gun in the Z.

350zroadster

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In all these stories I hear, it's always

Some guy cut you off
You honk and flick someone off
they get pissed and threaten you

You know what, there are jerks out there but that's life. You can't fight every single one of them. If you're really worried about your safety instead of being a cowboy, then I suggest you use the 3300 lb chunk of steel you're sitting in to drive the heck out.

disclosure: I have handguns, they are unloaded and locked in a safe, I've taken safety courses and used to shoot as hobby.

Paul350Z

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You can compare crime figures from a more urban and industries country with one that's not as urban and you'll always find the more urban one has higher crime - ban cities? How about ban the criminals.

Freedom isn't a concept that everyone gets - nor is the responsibly for self reliance. We in America have developed a whole under class of people who take no responsibility for their lack of education, drug abuse, illiteracy, sky rocketing birth rate among un-wed teens, homelessness, and high crime rates.

Some dead white guy said "Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire; a dangerous servant and a terrible master". I sort of agree with him in that the less government in my life the better. We have named our nation's capitol after that man but we pay hollow homage to his name but not his sage wisdom.

There are people in this world who I call sheep who follow the flock blissfully ignorant of what is happening out beyond the bounds of their meek existence, not knowing what lies beyond the bounds of their flock. There are other people who I call wolves that prey on the weakness of the sheep. They rob, steal, and commit violence upon each other and upon the defenseless sheep. There is a third set of people - the German Shepard's who's charge it is to guard the flock of sheep - the police.

The sheep out number the Shepard's 100:1 as do the wolves. When the wolves attack the sheep run in fear and call for the Shepard dogs but if the Shepard's were always effective - if the police response was always on time - if the courts actually punished the felons so that they would/could correct their ways --- then there would be no more wolves as they would die out or be jailed.

Look around at the number of felons running our streets. There are entire neighborhoods in everyone of our major cities full of criminal activity and to where the sheep fear or fail to travel. Even the cops fear entering these areas. For whatever reason our society has decided to give these people enough ability to break our laws and not punish them and for them and hundreds of thousands of others, crime does pay. We have created a whole gangster life where the sheep worship the wolves - dressing like them, talking like them, altering our cars like them, and embracing their lifestyle as a fashion statement.

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Paul350Z

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(continued)

Listen to the hate that Louis Farakon spreads. Back 25 years ago this celebrated racist hater was on public access television and I stumbled upon one of his hate filled sermonds. I was shocked and amazed. My existance as a sheep had ended. The good reverend was actually calling for his followers to arm themselves - he actually recommended inexpensive 12 guage shotguns as the best bang for the buck. Good enough for me to be alerted.

This was in 1987 when had I returned to the United States with my new Thai bride. I had been stationed on Navy duty in both Japan and the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia for a total of six years of overseas duty. We moved into a nice gated apartment complex in Pacific Beach California about 100 yards from the ocean and about ten miles north of downtown San Diego. Things were good for the first few months in the new apartment until there was a change of owner and landlord. The new owner was more concerned with a 100% occupancy rate rather than the quality of the tenants.

A rougher crowd -wolves- started moving into complex which had been primarily military families and retired couples. As thing started to get worse the older couples moved out. The late night parties with the drinking, drugs and noise forced them out first. We hunkered down while awaiting our military housing apartment to open up. The landlord would serve eviction papers on one group so they’d just move in with the punks a few doors down. This game when on for six months while we were awaiting government military housing.

I still can recall the screams that went on all night at that place.

I was teaching advanced electronics at the Naval Training Center and had to leave for work at 5:15 AM. I traveled back and forth in my white Navy dress uniform. Long days teaching had me going to bed at 10:00 PM so that I could be ready for the next early morning. The late night parties running into the early hours of the morning wore me out. Calls to the police were a waste of time. They’d either not respond at all or the punks would just wait a few moments for the police to leave before starting up again.

Coming home after work in the evenings was where things first started getting bad. The young punks, ages 15 to 20 or so, would start with the daily name-calling and harassment. Not that it bothered me except that it was only the beginning. I was marked as a target because of my military service.

Every 8th night I had to stay at work 24 hours on military duty. My wife, who was still adjusting to life in the United States, told me that on those nights that I was gone that the punks would walk around the common apartment balcony and look though the too sheer curtains into our apartment as she was watching television. They would stand there smoking their pot pipes watching her and our large screen television. I told my wife to avoid the front room on my duty days.

Then one night my expensive bicycle was striped clean while chained to the bike rack just outside my door. The crack house in the apartment just below and across the patio was a bike chop shop. All day and night you could hear them sanding down the paint off of stolen bikes and then reassembling them. The near constant paint fumes helped cover the crack and pot smoking. I called the police and told them my suspicions that they had destroyed my $350 bike. Within a few days the police came by and emptied out about 25 bike frames onto the patio where they took pictures and recorded serial numbers. My parts couldn’t be identifed as they had taken everything but the frame and wheels. The chop shot apartment residents somehow knew that it was me who tipped the police even though I had asked the police not to contact me. They gave me an earful about how I had no right to call the police sreaming at me and trying to bait me into a physical fight.

That weekend one of the punks threw a bag with about 15 beer bottles about 50 feet onto the hood of my then three-month-old car. I came screaming out of the apartment and confronted the 17 year old idiot telling him that he was going to pay to take the dents out of the hood or he was going to get arrested. After informing me that I could go to hell, that he was only 17 and there wasn’t a thing that I could do to him he spit at my feet and walked away. The police said that if I hadn’t actually seen him toss the bottle filled bag it was simply my word against his.

Later that week he jumped off one of his bikes and sent the bike crashing into the front quarter panel of my car putting a handful of scratches and some more dents into it. I talked to the landlord who said that there was nothing she could do. The punk’s parents were crack smoking alcoholics. The police said again it was his word against mine and that as a 17 year old if I touched him it would be me going to jail. I had to start parking my car about a block away from my assigned parking space just to avoid the idiots. Also I started to carry my uniform to work and change before coming home. How sad.

The last straw came where there was some sort of deal gone wrong at the crack house and a guy started chasing another guy around with a baseball bat. A baseball bat with nails driven though it. Thank God that the first doper was faster than the one with the bat. They ran around and around the common balcony screaming and swinging. The idiot with the bat broke one of the neighbor’s large picture windows. Children were crying and screaming from all over the complex. I called 911 to report an on going assault with a deadly weapon as did a dozen or so others.

Nearly 20 minutes later the San Diego police showed up with three or four officers walking around the complex. Twenty full minutes! The guy could have beaten the other guy into hamburger, cooked him, eaten him and be done with the dishes in 20 minutes. By the time the cops arrived the pair were long gone. A second event took place a few days later when they started throwing beer bottles across the patio at the opposite apartment buildings. No windows were put out but a car or two was hit. The police didn’t respond after my call for 40 minutes by which time everyone was gone again.

Fearing for the safety of my wife and myself I went out and purchased a Smith and Wesson model 422, which is a 10 shot semiautomatic pistol. The pistol’s caliber is .22 long rifle which is the smallest and weakest cartridge commonly available. I enlisted the assistance of a friend to take me out shooting and to show me safe handling procedures. I talked with a community service police officer to learn when I could legally shoot to defend myself. I purchased eye and ear protection and a lockable case for the pistol. I took the pistol to the local indoor range to practice safe handling under the eyes of a range master before taking the pistol out into the hills east of San Diego for some plinking (informal target) practice.

I was often seen by the punks carrying my locked pistol case, which sported a colorful Smith and Wesson logo on the side. Funny thing, they stopped cursing and harassing me - I was no longer a sheep, I had grown claws and fangs and was no longer a prey animal. They stopped peeking into the windows of my apartment. I found that it was now safe to park my car in my reserved space. Funny that. I found that I didn’t even need to put the gun into the case anymore and often just carried the empty case back and forth to work.

Since 1987 I made several advancements and rose to the top 1% of my professional career within the military and started earning enough money so that I move far enough away from the wolves dens that I was much safer. I still own and practice with my firearms as I know that if someone really needs the over worked police that it can be all over before they get there. Mostly the police are there to collect the evidence and catch the criminal after the crime - not much satisfaction to someone who's 15 year old daughter was raped or who's wife was beaten to death.

I for one am not going to be a victim for the benefit of the criminal and the infrastructure that profits from their activities.

Our society doesn't really want crime to go away nor more than it really wants poverty or the drug problems to go away. There are too many people that benefit from the problems caused by all three cancers for the problem to be solved.

You make the choice: wolf, sheep, shepard or like some, sheep with fangs.

Lerxst

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Well put Paul. I guess I don't feel that there are as many wolves up here. I'm sure I would have done the same thing in your shoes... my only concern is if they decide to get their own guns and THEN it's a party.

I guess what it comes down to is if you feel that there is enough of a threat for you to take on the responsibility of owning a gun, then you should have the opportunity; provided that you have the responsibility. Don't just get one because some outdated document (IMHO) says you have the right...

Having said that, it appears to me that owning a gun is not the solution on a larger scale. That touches on cultural attitudes and motivation for crime, but I won't bore you with that again.

Diesel350

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Damn that is nuts!!! That guy would be dead if he did that to my Z.

Diesel350

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That's why you aim for the knee caps instead of the chest.