Is there a General Hate towards Teenages who own Zs?
Originally Posted by JCA0688
You need to shut up. You're putting words in my mouth that I never said. I never bragged about anything, nor talked about mods I'm going to get. You're just acting immature for someone of 30 yrs old in my opinion.
i thought you were going to stop posting in this thread....
"you need to shutup"????? come on kid... are you going to internet slap him if he doesnt?? you started this dumb thread wanting opinions and now your getting them.... so deal with it.
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Haha, I'm sorry, but you adults on here are seriously immature. Never seen such a discrimintive group. Only because we didn't pay for the vehicle. Get a frickin' life haha.
Originally Posted by JCA0688
Haha, I'm sorry, but you adults on here are seriously immature. Never seen such a discrimintive group. Only because we didn't pay for the vehicle. Get a frickin' life haha.
Kee-rist! This **** goes on and on. Buy your own car and you're invested in it. Pay your own insurance and know what it feels like to be responsible. When Mom & Dad cover everything, I just don't think you're gonna get it. Not on any kind of deep level. My kid will be 17 in May and neither of us has pushed getting the license (many, many teens in the DC/VA/MD area have been killed/injured in accidents of late, and we're not chompin' at the bit to add to that). Anyway, when he DOES get legal, it'll be by his own choice, and with a car he's paid for himself, which is fine by me. When I first got my license I bought my own, and that's what taught me to care for it like I care for my Z now: my baby. Otherwise it's like so much else in this world: a game, and it means nothing major, 'cause somebody else will take care of it when you f*ck up . . .
Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Because its children like JCA0688, 3hree5ive0ero, and FreeBaGel who continue to argue about driving a sports car. People like these need to be driving corollas and civics.
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Originally Posted by JCA0688
Haha, I'm sorry, but you adults on here are seriously immature. Never seen such a discrimintive group. Only because we didn't pay for the vehicle. Get a frickin' life haha.
Brother this issue, could go back and forth for ever!
1)You started this thread, now deal with it.
2)I believe that it's "safe" to say that most "older owners" (Geez, I'm I already in the group!??!!
) here dont care about your "personal situation", rather, the fact (And if you want to dispute this, than brother, you'd be opening yet another "can of worms") that most (not all) young drivers are immature, and unable to fully undertand the "repercussions" (sic) of their actions....I personally dont think that the "negative feedback" your getting is based on "who paid for lit' son/daughter"s car"". Rather its based on our personal expiriences....
Say, you do know that we were your age at one point or another right?!??
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Originally Posted by cessna
Brother this issue, could go back and forth for ever!
1)You started this thread, now deal with it.
2)I believe that it's "safe" to say that most "older owners" (Geez, I'm I already in the group!??!!) here dont care about your "personal situation", rather, the fact (And if you want to dispute this, than brother, you'd be opening yet another "can of worms") that most (not all) young drivers are immature, and unable to fully undertand the "repercussions" (sic) of their actions....
I personally dont think that the "negative feedback" your getting is based on "who paid for lit' son/daughter"s car"". Rather its based on our personal expiriences....
Say, you do know that we were your age at one point or another right?!??
1)You started this thread, now deal with it.
2)I believe that it's "safe" to say that most "older owners" (Geez, I'm I already in the group!??!!
) here dont care about your "personal situation", rather, the fact (And if you want to dispute this, than brother, you'd be opening yet another "can of worms") that most (not all) young drivers are immature, and unable to fully undertand the "repercussions" (sic) of their actions....I personally dont think that the "negative feedback" your getting is based on "who paid for lit' son/daughter"s car"". Rather its based on our personal expiriences....
Say, you do know that we were your age at one point or another right?!??
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How can I hate what I once was. Being in America it is made up of all types, ages of people. This makes us what we are, and goes the same for 350z owners. All of us brings different things to the car, and make up the whole club of owners. Glad you have one and hope other persons get some. I don't just want your elders to own them. I like some youger persons rides, and olders ones. Keep the Z alive.
I would have to say that in my opinion I just was not mature enough for a Z when I was 18. I am not saying noone is, it's just that I would want my kid to have a few years experience driving and then maybe pick up a 240sx rwd for some practice. Driving Rear Wheel Drive cars is an art that needs years and years of practice. IMO
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Originally Posted by JCA0688
So that gives them the right to act rude, because we are young? No. Thats called immaturity.
Regardless of the above, if your truly "mature" then what I've said in my last post surely make sence right?!?
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What more expierence do I need? Not to say I am a fully prepared driver, I know there are plenty of situations that I wouldn't know what to do in. But anyways, I drove a jacked up truck that has 100X worse handling than my Z, and I never had a single fender bender, spin out, or any wreck of any kind. I am not saying expierence is needed, but to what extent?
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Originally Posted by JCA0688
What more expierence do I need? Not to say I am a fully prepared driver, I know there are plenty of situations that I wouldn't know what to do in. But anyways, I drove a jacked up truck that has 100X worse handling than my Z, and I never had a single fender bender, spin out, or any wreck of any kind. I am not saying expierence is needed, but to what extent?
You've been lucky, but that's besides the point. What exactly are you looking for as "feed back"?
I was just giving my opinion like I said I know how I was when I was 18 amd I'll be the first to admit I would have wrapped a Z around a tree then if I had it!! Hey man I am happy for you I wish I had one at your age, you are fortunate to have parents like you do make sure you let them know how much you appreciate the car and them every now and then!!
Originally Posted by JCA0688
I've been on this board for a couple of days and from the posts I've been reading, there just seems to be a lot of dislike towards teenagers who had their parents pay for the vehicle. I don't really understand the meaning behind it, just curious as to why its such a big deal. We're all Z owners.
https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-nissan-350z/168064-so-i-finally-decided-what-car-i-want.html
just curious... I would say it is a young person.
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Because its children like JCA0688, 3hree5ive0ero, and FreeBaGel who continue to argue about driving a sports car. People like these need to be driving corollas and civics.
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I'll admit to committing one of my own pet-peeves and am responding to a thread in which I have not completely read every post. Judging for the latest responses it doesn't seem toooo necessary to read it all, so I'll just dive in..
I think both sides of this discussion are missing the mark. And apologies if this has been mentioned already (see lame excuse, above)...
Teenage-Z drivers are not the issue, IMHO. Punks are the issue. It just so happens that punks are also usually young. Not all young people are punks. And not all punks are young people. But most punks are young people. And unfortunately due to the aforementioned bad-parenting, the punk:youth ratio is getting worse.
I don't think it is the case that folks look down upon young people whose parents buy them a car.
I hope not anyway, because that is shallow and ignorant. And not to mention, irrelevant. There are many more factors to a "spoiled" youth than simply buying them material things. Values, perspective, manners, etc...those are much larger indicators of whether a youth is spoiled or not.
No...I think what happens is that the bad-apples of the bunch ruin the rep for everyone else. A few punk kids in their (insert car model) come through a (insert car model) forum and talk smack. They benchrace their mods. They give poor advice and then argue about it. They aren't open to constructive criticism. They are too easily put on the defensive because they are insecure, and as a result often have a chip on their shoulder. 9 times out of 10 these are the kids starting arguments (not discussions) and fueling the fire to make it worse.
These few ruin it for other genuine aspiring enthusiasts (and they pollute the forums!). I remember this when I was 18 and going to the local dragway in my Mitsu Eclipse (first car). No one respected me because of all the kids just coming onto the scene at the time in their Acura's and CRX's. Lots of them were punks, so they saw me as a punk. Ironic considering my enthusiasm for the sport was much more in tune with that of these oil-dripping, wrench-turning rednecks.
If you are young and want respect then the first thing you must learn is that respect is earned, not handed over. If someone acts like they are owed respect because of the car they drive then that person deserves whatever snubbing or smack they get back.
But if you act like an enthusiast.. someone who contributes. Someone who shares. Someone who is polite. Someone who listens. Someone who understands that criticism is not the same as provocation... Then you will see the respect. It's a two-way street.
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I think both sides of this discussion are missing the mark. And apologies if this has been mentioned already (see lame excuse, above)...
Teenage-Z drivers are not the issue, IMHO. Punks are the issue. It just so happens that punks are also usually young. Not all young people are punks. And not all punks are young people. But most punks are young people. And unfortunately due to the aforementioned bad-parenting, the punk:youth ratio is getting worse.
I don't think it is the case that folks look down upon young people whose parents buy them a car.
I hope not anyway, because that is shallow and ignorant. And not to mention, irrelevant. There are many more factors to a "spoiled" youth than simply buying them material things. Values, perspective, manners, etc...those are much larger indicators of whether a youth is spoiled or not.
No...I think what happens is that the bad-apples of the bunch ruin the rep for everyone else. A few punk kids in their (insert car model) come through a (insert car model) forum and talk smack. They benchrace their mods. They give poor advice and then argue about it. They aren't open to constructive criticism. They are too easily put on the defensive because they are insecure, and as a result often have a chip on their shoulder. 9 times out of 10 these are the kids starting arguments (not discussions) and fueling the fire to make it worse.
These few ruin it for other genuine aspiring enthusiasts (and they pollute the forums!). I remember this when I was 18 and going to the local dragway in my Mitsu Eclipse (first car). No one respected me because of all the kids just coming onto the scene at the time in their Acura's and CRX's. Lots of them were punks, so they saw me as a punk. Ironic considering my enthusiasm for the sport was much more in tune with that of these oil-dripping, wrench-turning rednecks.
If you are young and want respect then the first thing you must learn is that respect is earned, not handed over. If someone acts like they are owed respect because of the car they drive then that person deserves whatever snubbing or smack they get back.
But if you act like an enthusiast.. someone who contributes. Someone who shares. Someone who is polite. Someone who listens. Someone who understands that criticism is not the same as provocation... Then you will see the respect. It's a two-way street.
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Originally Posted by SmokyTyrz
I'll admit to committing one of my own pet-peeves and am responding to a thread in which I have not completely read every post. Judging for the latest responses it doesn't seem toooo necessary to read it all, so I'll just dive in..
I think both sides of this discussion are missing the mark. And apologies if this has been mentioned already (see lame excuse, above)...
Teenage-Z drivers are not the issue, IMHO. Punks are the issue. It just so happens that punks are also usually young. Not all young people are punks. And not all punks are young people. But most punks are young people. And unfortunately due to the aforementioned bad-parenting, the punk:youth ratio is getting worse.
I don't think it is the case that folks look down upon young people whose parents buy them a car.
I hope not anyway, because that is shallow and ignorant. And not to mention, irrelevant. There are many more factors to a "spoiled" youth than simply buying them material things. Values, perspective, manners, etc...those are much larger indicators of whether a youth is spoiled or not.
No...I think what happens is that the bad-apples of the bunch ruin the rep for everyone else. A few punk kids in their (insert car model) come through a (insert car model) forum and talk smack. They benchrace their mods. They give poor advice and then argue about it. They aren't open to constructive criticism. They are too easily put on the defensive because they are insecure, and as a result often have a chip on their shoulder. 9 times out of 10 these are the kids starting arguments (not discussions) and fueling the fire to make it worse.
These few ruin it for other genuine aspiring enthusiasts (and they pollute the forums!). I remember this when I was 18 and going to the local dragway in my Mitsu Eclipse (first car). No one respected me because of all the kids just coming onto the scene at the time in their Acura's and CRX's. Lots of them were punks, so they saw me as a punk. Ironic considering my enthusiasm for the sport was much more in tune with that of these oil-dripping, wrench-turning rednecks.
If you are young and want respect then the first thing you must learn is that respect is earned, not handed over. If someone acts like they are owed respect because of the car they drive then that person deserves whatever snubbing or smack they get back.
But if you act like an enthusiast.. someone who contributes. Someone who shares. Someone who is polite. Someone who listens. Someone who understands that criticism is not the same as provocation... Then you will see the respect. It's a two-way street.
Ramble-mode - OFF... Please deposit $0.02 to continue...
l8r
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I think both sides of this discussion are missing the mark. And apologies if this has been mentioned already (see lame excuse, above)...
Teenage-Z drivers are not the issue, IMHO. Punks are the issue. It just so happens that punks are also usually young. Not all young people are punks. And not all punks are young people. But most punks are young people. And unfortunately due to the aforementioned bad-parenting, the punk:youth ratio is getting worse.
I don't think it is the case that folks look down upon young people whose parents buy them a car.
I hope not anyway, because that is shallow and ignorant. And not to mention, irrelevant. There are many more factors to a "spoiled" youth than simply buying them material things. Values, perspective, manners, etc...those are much larger indicators of whether a youth is spoiled or not.
No...I think what happens is that the bad-apples of the bunch ruin the rep for everyone else. A few punk kids in their (insert car model) come through a (insert car model) forum and talk smack. They benchrace their mods. They give poor advice and then argue about it. They aren't open to constructive criticism. They are too easily put on the defensive because they are insecure, and as a result often have a chip on their shoulder. 9 times out of 10 these are the kids starting arguments (not discussions) and fueling the fire to make it worse.
These few ruin it for other genuine aspiring enthusiasts (and they pollute the forums!). I remember this when I was 18 and going to the local dragway in my Mitsu Eclipse (first car). No one respected me because of all the kids just coming onto the scene at the time in their Acura's and CRX's. Lots of them were punks, so they saw me as a punk. Ironic considering my enthusiasm for the sport was much more in tune with that of these oil-dripping, wrench-turning rednecks.
If you are young and want respect then the first thing you must learn is that respect is earned, not handed over. If someone acts like they are owed respect because of the car they drive then that person deserves whatever snubbing or smack they get back.
But if you act like an enthusiast.. someone who contributes. Someone who shares. Someone who is polite. Someone who listens. Someone who understands that criticism is not the same as provocation... Then you will see the respect. It's a two-way street.
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l8r
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You need experience to survive situations that you won't see in your "jacked up truck". You're probably smart enough to not drive like an idiot in a truck because a truck isn't made for "fun". But in a Z, since the car handles 100x better than your truck, I’m pretty sure you won't drive as conservatively as you would in the truck. Well, this is the experience we're talking about...when you decide to have fun in the Z, you'll encounter situations that you wouldn't know what to do in. Being a RWD with all the power, you might panic when something unexpected happens. Such as spinning out when you make a quick turn on a yellow light.